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celinski   
14 Dec 2007
News / Polish-German Relations in the Present [697]

but not one which is going to damage its place in europe

I feel the damage was already done. Now Poland can speak up and you say to not rock the boat. Maybe the laughter you are hearing is from the ones not having to be held responsable.

Poland needs to show back bone now. Funny that this is showing up in here vs. Russia or Ukraine. Reguardless of where it shows up Poland must insist that the ones responsable step up.

The war is over now lets act our age and demand respect. Our family fought and real blood covered the ground. Everyone knows the truth and yet still think they can victimise Poland. Not if we put the truth before the world.

when a country's president is referred to as a potato its normally an indication that someone is laughing somewhere

Who really cares about name calling. Read history and being called "a potatoe" is not to important. Having your country taken by communism and killed looks rather differant.

i wouldnt dream of calling myself polish

That is just being rude. I am Polish and proud of my people and country.

Carol, USA
celinski   
14 Dec 2007
News / Polish-German Relations in the Present [697]

but they havent payed anything for Poles

This is an important point. As with my posts asking about Polish/Ukraine taking responsability. If Poland does not take a strong stand asking for resolve in Ukraine and Russia, it leaves Poland a sitting duck for everyone to keep making them pay. Victimizing Poland over and over. It is Poland that was raped and until we can open up the past and demand accountability, Poland will continue to pay the price of silence. Poland is free now and needs a strong goverment that will stand up for the Polish people. They may not be the most popular ones on the block but after the truth gets cleared and truth is on the table, Poland will stand tall. Carol, USA
celinski   
11 Dec 2007
History / WW2: Britain Declares War on Germany to Save Poland [290]

The only country that did F all for your grandparents generation and this is the attitude now....disgracfull

Poland was there for you after they had to fight alone. Can you say the same? I don't think so. In the end did you have a country? Poland did not. Since you love my use of historical links.

MILITARY OPERATIONS

In the early morning hours of Sept. 1, 1939, the German armies marched into Poland. On September 3 the British and French surprised Hitler by declaring war on Germany, but they had no plans for rendering active assistance to the Poles.

history.com/encyclopedia.do?articleId=226140

You may not want to read the whole artical it it is the truth. I don't know why you continue to disaggree, I am American as well as Polish, I can admit USA screwed us in WW2. I am not saying British didn't fight, I am saying they did not declare war to help Poland. They were covering there own bu*ts before Poland was even attacked. Also see message 278 above. Carol
celinski   
10 Dec 2007
History / WW2: Britain Declares War on Germany to Save Poland [290]

Dan,

Thank you for your response. May the real truth be heard.

They were part of a team and shouldered their responsibilites admirably and in good faith.

Even when they knew they were betrayed, "a man is only as good as his name", the Polish gave their all.

Carol
celinski   
10 Dec 2007
History / Should goverments pull in war criminals from WWII? [33]

Take a look at the situation in Vietnam , not so many wound up paying for their war crimes there

I see your point. It does show the positive of accountability. Carol
celinski   
10 Dec 2007
History / WW2: Britain Declares War on Germany to Save Poland [290]

In all fairness, WW2: Britain Declares War on Germany to Save Poland must be looked at by what took place between 1920 and WW2. To look at it and say it was "to save Poland" is like looking at WW1 didn't have unresolved issues. Carol

history.com/encyclopedia.do?articleId=226140

In September 1938 Hitler threatened war to annex the western border area of Czechoslovakia, the Sudetenland and its 3.5 million ethnic Germans. The British prime minister Neville Chamberlain initiated talks that culminated at the end of the month in the Munich Pact, by which the Czechs, on British and French urging, relinquished the Sudetenland in return for Hitler's promise not to take any more Czech territory. Chamberlain believed he had achieved "peace for our time," but the word Munich soon implied abject and futile appeasement.

Less than six months later, in March 1939, Hitler seized the remainder of Czechoslovakia. Alarmed by this new aggression and by Hitler's threats against Poland, the British government pledged to aid that country if Germany threatened its independence. France already had a mutual defense treaty with Poland.

celinski   
10 Dec 2007
History / Should goverments pull in war criminals from WWII? [33]

you are only a war criminal if you happen to find yourself on the side that loses the war

This is not true as we have seen USA hold accountable soldiers in Iraq that mistreated prisoners. Humiliation in front of a country alone is quite the deterant for abuse of power. Carol
celinski   
9 Dec 2007
History / WW2: Britain Declares War on Germany to Save Poland [290]

Aug 23, 1939 - Nazis and Soviets sign Pact.

Aug 25, 1939 - Britain and Poland sign a Mutual Assistance Treaty.

Aug 31, 1939 - British fleet mobilizes; Civilian evacuations begin from London.

Carol
celinski   
8 Dec 2007
History / Should goverments pull in war criminals from WWII? [33]

i would rather see effort put into preventing was crimes being committed now

I thought they were, if in fact they are not, then yes, I whole heartdly aggree. Carol
celinski   
8 Dec 2007
History / WW2: Britain Declares War on Germany to Save Poland [290]

the huge numbers of Polish americans did diddly squat for Poland inww2

It is because of WW2 I am here. If not for WW2 what do you think the population in Poland would be today. Just think I could be there to help protect Poland. Carol
celinski   
7 Dec 2007
History / WW2: Britain Declares War on Germany to Save Poland [290]

If you'd had "no allies",as falkster says,you'd be speaking german now

Is the only discussion you know insulting others. Please think before you type. For the size of Poland and what they were facing they did some amazing things. I guess some of the bullies better learn from history, yes they were out numbered otherwise Germans may have to learn Polish. Numbers spread throughout the world are watching and Poland shall never be a slave to communism. God Bless Poland. Carol
celinski   
7 Dec 2007
History / WW2: Britain Declares War on Germany to Save Poland [290]

Quoting: Harry
That's odd, the Polish army were quite happy to invade Czechoslovakia

What is the date, I thought Poland was communist then, No? Before you blast me Harry, I am not sure of the date so I admit I just may be wrong. Carol
celinski   
7 Dec 2007
History / WW2: Britain Declares War on Germany to Save Poland [290]

Free Polish forces

I wonder why they wouldn't?

victory parade in 1945

certainly did participate in the Moscow parade

This may have been Moscow Poles, May 1945 as Poland was occupied by Soviets

ww2.pl/apps/?command=fotografie/pokaz

Carol

Britain may see their actions different, please watch from Polish perspective.

Carol
celinski   
7 Dec 2007
History / Should goverments pull in war criminals from WWII? [33]

Genocide is a deliberate elimination of whole nations, ethnic, religious, and also racial groups of people by physical killings as well as by the control of births, compulsory removal of children and the creation of living conditions which will physically destroy these groups and individuals.

stankiewicze.com/ludobojstwo/index_en.html

We may not get those responsible for Katyn to trial but what about those
responsible for the killings in Poznan 1956? Those killed in December
1970 protests?
Carol
celinski   
7 Dec 2007
History / WW2: Britain Declares War on Germany to Save Poland [290]

Against Churchills Wishes and Hopes )

It was the other way around. Churchill told Roosevelt he no longer wanted to upset Stalin (Uncle Joe) and he was done trying to talk Stalin into letting them help Poland. This is confirmed in telegrams between them. Original copies can be seen on line Pres. Roosevelt library. At this point what was the USA to do, I guess they could have gone in alone and taken the risk of Russia's threat. Then God forbid Stalin does react, where would the USA and Poland stand. Between fighting Russia and Germany. Churchill dropped the ball and Roosevelt complied. Carol
celinski   
7 Dec 2007
History / WW2: Britain Declares War on Germany to Save Poland [290]

Thats the Last i will say on this subject

Please, don't give up.

That is what they hope for, that way they can never give credit where credit is due.[
quote=Firestorm] Praise the Courage of the Polish People. And Compliment their Strength [/quote]
Many voices make light work. The track record for the Polish speaks for it self, yet others refuse to see. Stand tall Poland, history cannot be denied forever.

Carol
celinski   
6 Dec 2007
History / Should goverments pull in war criminals from WWII? [33]

Truth be told, if I was to decide , I would have to say yes, because by never having them be accountable leaves it unresolved and for the ones that crossed the line, so to speak, we are not giving resolve. I use SS Ukraine as I have read up on them, they give a bad name to many SS Ukraines that have done nothing wrong. Carol
celinski   
6 Dec 2007
History / Should goverments pull in war criminals from WWII? [33]

What the hell did SS,SD and Gestapo have to do with americans?

Where do you think the ones that survived live? USA

Celinski you are very ignorant.

If they held even some of them accountable it would have showed that someone gave a sh*t. Its accountability that prevents this in the future. As for your "ignorant" screw you southern, ignorance is kissing butt and pretending it didn't happen. Do you see how people in the nation reacted when they had a day for SS Ukraines. I am not saying they are all bad, it's because the ones that were was left unresolved and this gives them all a bad name.

You want to open the Pandora box?

Who's ignorant now, do you think I learned this from being there? No, people still have very strong feelings about this.

Carol
celinski   
6 Dec 2007
History / Should goverments pull in war criminals from WWII? [33]

and some victims more deserving of justice.

Thats what I was thinking. After my family were sent to concentration camps the crimes were their homes were "Kresy" went beyond the limit. I remember when I first started learning about this, I called my father and said, " Thank God you were in Siberia." He never had to ask but knew why I said that. To fully understand what the SS Ukraine, Jewish and Germans were capable of doing I had to read and see a history. No one was spared and the manners of death were nothing shot of barbaric.

Britian knows who commited the crimes and after the war gave them a safe home. In Ukraine, they know and one person said the families need to come to terms with their families misdeeds.

I guess I was just wondering if anyone else thinks about this? Carol

genocide007.webpark.pl/przedmowa_english.htm
celinski   
6 Dec 2007
History / Should goverments pull in war criminals from WWII? [33]

This article tends to look at Nazi and leave out Russian or SS Ukraine. My question is for all war criminals. They would now be rather old and trial dates would push that even older before a sentence would start. What do others feel? Carol

Last Chance' to Hunt Down Nazi War Criminals

washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/05/AR2007120502437_pf.html
celinski   
6 Dec 2007
Genealogy / Polish War records [10]

Check Karta for more records

karta.org.pl/Default.asp?jezyk=2