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Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]
They had to be polite. They were protestant (Germans from Prussia) (they were beging our King on the knees for permition to become protestant), pope asked us to smash them. But we were tolerant ... and we gave them live in way they wanted ... The bigest mistake in our history ...
Lukasz you have started admiring by freedom. Now you are for opression of protestants. Even in the perioud when religious minorities weren't persecuted in different states (even in Russia if we discuss German protestants).
Clear your ideas please.
Besides that we are talking about Polish-Lithuanian reputation in Europe. Reputation can't be imposed by force. That is the question of respect.
I wrote Poles and Lithuanians had a higher reputation in Moscow state in 15-18 centuries. Despite the loss of force.
I wrote you that reputation existed still before 1830 in ruling circles and Polish-Lithuanian little szlachta had a high reputation among Russian middle-classers unrill 20 century.
Shall you oppose to these facts? You have a different information about Russia?
I only supposed that it is a common rule. I only supposed that Germans< Austrians and Brits were of the same respect even if they weren't opressed (or not opressed) protestants. Even if they were away from RP and independent.
I only supposed that because I don't have enough information.
I noticed that Poland today doesn't have equal reputation as it had before. That was my idea
Brutto. Netto less than $800 and prices in Russia are lower, so It's the same crap. Both countries are poor.
Grzegorz,
There is a dispute between me and Lukasz. I think the improvement of economic situation is possible not only by the increase of buying capacity. I wrote the way to reduce the cost of production of some goods is of the same importance. I wrote that it is technologically possible to build cottages for 17000 USD, to produce cars of 2500 USD and laptops less than for 100 USD.
I wrote that such low-cost helped the social development of Western states some 60 years ago (Levittown, Citroen 2 CV etc.) but nothing of the sort is possible for the rest of the world today.
I also stated that today a great research in this spheres is required and that it can take billions of USD. I told that answering the question of Lukasz what can EU do in order to improve the situation in the world and relations with Russia (as only part of this global process). I also stated that Poles are clever enough to add such idea of EU low-cost monitoring Buerau (for start) to its common proposals.
That was my opinion. It is clear that is not a present to the rest of the world. Donations from all developping states are required but only EU seems to be the international body able to coordinate the process.
In my opinion it is also in the interests of such states as Poland because there are many old people here who need a cheap car, and many Poles will never go to work abroad if cottage for 17000 is possible.
I think Lukasz is laughing at my idea.
Lukasz, a great snobery exists in former communist states: in Russia, Ukraine, Hungary, Polans etc. No low-cost, no goods available to all, no goods we can gain working days and nights abroad. You reject unexpensive cottages we can get without paying for them the resy of our life. You reject cars we can buy for our salary of 4 mounths.
While the Americans and Western Europeans actively discuss information about future Renault-Nissan car for 3000 USD. They are enthusiastic. We not.
Lukasz is snobery your game? Does it defend your interests or the interests of all your relatives?
