Bratwurst Boy
13 Jun 2009
History / Russia: Poland responsible for WW II [300]
Why?
What crap am I spouting here?
well you bloody well should be with some of the crap you spout on here.
Why?
What crap am I spouting here?
Bratwurst Boy
13 Jun 2009
History / Russia: Poland responsible for WW II [300]
Does it change the numbers Seanus?
Does it make from a big majority of mostly around 95 percent homogenous Albanians a minority?
If not I'm not interested because that's all what really counts in the end!
The film was about the lies in the Kosovo situation, BB.
Does it change the numbers Seanus?
Does it make from a big majority of mostly around 95 percent homogenous Albanians a minority?
If not I'm not interested because that's all what really counts in the end!
Bratwurst Boy
13 Jun 2009
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It was a war for serbian Lebensraum, serbian supremacy, serbian ethnic cleansing of others.
They wanted all and lost it...tell a German about it.
I don't need to watch a video to know the actual demographic numbers Seanus. That is a fact no political manipulation will change!
You won't change them and besides a long term resettling by Serbians they won't change it too so they better get used to it as Germans adjusted to the loss of Silesia, East Prussia, Königsberg, Danzig, Breslau etc...
What do you propose Seanus?
Erm...no...it was part of the curriculum. Visiting a concentration camp nearest you, listening to a survivor (we had a woman from Ravensbrück) and such...
BB, those pictures were from Srebrenica, not Kosovo. Oh, you meant the non-existent Serbian concentration camps in Pristina? Watch the video, your own intel figures refute the claims rather nicely.
It was a war for serbian Lebensraum, serbian supremacy, serbian ethnic cleansing of others.
They wanted all and lost it...tell a German about it.
I don't need to watch a video to know the actual demographic numbers Seanus. That is a fact no political manipulation will change!
You won't change them and besides a long term resettling by Serbians they won't change it too so they better get used to it as Germans adjusted to the loss of Silesia, East Prussia, Königsberg, Danzig, Breslau etc...
What do you propose Seanus?
Would you care to enlighten us on your class? are you a part time history teacher or smg?
Erm...no...it was part of the curriculum. Visiting a concentration camp nearest you, listening to a survivor (we had a woman from Ravensbrück) and such...
Bratwurst Boy
13 Jun 2009
History / Russia: Poland responsible for WW II [300]
I have visited Buchenwald with my class...I'm not interested in Auschwitz nor any other camps.
I know of better things to visit when I'm underway..:)
Where is the long list of famous Poles of Danzig?
What about the beautiful "polish architecture" of Danzig?
Where are the polish imprints in the long history of this town?
It's nearly only german....wonder why!
thats here to stay mate for 1000's of years you should visit sometime.
I have visited Buchenwald with my class...I'm not interested in Auschwitz nor any other camps.
I know of better things to visit when I'm underway..:)
Does it answer your questions?
Where is the long list of famous Poles of Danzig?
What about the beautiful "polish architecture" of Danzig?
Where are the polish imprints in the long history of this town?
It's nearly only german....wonder why!
Bratwurst Boy
13 Jun 2009
History / Russia: Poland responsible for WW II [300]
What??? Now Sharping is to blame for the changed demographics in the Kosovo???
Did you listen to Crowie again? :):):)
Sharpings lie again?
Ethnically cleansing Serbs was peaceful, was it? I see you haven't watched the video containing all the lies and deceit from Herr Sharping :(
What??? Now Sharping is to blame for the changed demographics in the Kosovo???
Did you listen to Crowie again? :):):)
Sharpings lie again?
Bratwurst Boy
13 Jun 2009
History / Russia: Poland responsible for WW II [300]
Either they re-settle the Kosovo peacefully over many years as the Albanians did or they should give up any claims and dreams.
No genocide or violence will be accepted and they will end up losing more as they already have!
(As did Germany)
What lies?
The only interesting fact is the demographics of Kosovo here.
You don't seriously propose that a society of over 95 percent albanian muslims should be ruled by two percent hated serbian christians???
That the hated and hostile serbian gov and military has the right to terrorize (kill or ethnically cleanse) the Kosovo from the 95 percent Albanians???
You can't be serious, can't you...
BB, the Serbs can only do that through genocide or forced removal. No political settlement is gonna wash in Kosovo.
Either they re-settle the Kosovo peacefully over many years as the Albanians did or they should give up any claims and dreams.
No genocide or violence will be accepted and they will end up losing more as they already have!
(As did Germany)
Did you get that link showing the bogus German lies about Kosovo?
What lies?
The only interesting fact is the demographics of Kosovo here.
You don't seriously propose that a society of over 95 percent albanian muslims should be ruled by two percent hated serbian christians???
That the hated and hostile serbian gov and military has the right to terrorize (kill or ethnically cleanse) the Kosovo from the 95 percent Albanians???
You can't be serious, can't you...
Bratwurst Boy
13 Jun 2009
History / Russia: Poland responsible for WW II [300]
And you are interested in them because...?
Wrong BB, i was there a couple of months ago, Auschwitz I is in unsurprisingly good condition, the gas chambers were blown up though so no good for mass murder at the moment.
And you are interested in them because...?
Bratwurst Boy
13 Jun 2009
History / Russia: Poland responsible for WW II [300]
Nah..it's not working anymore I believe.
All ruins today....
Nah..it's not working anymore I believe.
All ruins today....
Bratwurst Boy
13 Jun 2009
History / Russia: Poland responsible for WW II [300]
That will be their only chance to get Kosovo back some time.
Re-settling I mean, not marching in with their army!!!
Demographics ARE indeed a weapon, Arafat himself recognized that back already.
Skewed demographics will force Jews to either separate the land into two states, one jewish and one palestinian, or to become a pariah apartheid society shunned and isolated by everybody, a minority spending their days suppressing uprisings of the opressed majority!
Remember my rule...the moment Kosovo becomes again a serbian society their culture should and will be the dominant one again!
They were ethnically cleansed you mean.
Show me when and how the serbian majority was cleansed from the Kosovo.
If the Germans had re-settled back to what is now Germany and left Danzig voluntarily during many years till they were only a tiny minority anymore, there wouldn't be much discussion today but that wasn't the case, wasn't it...
What if loads of Serbs decided to go into Kosovo to reclaim what they believe to be theirs?
That will be their only chance to get Kosovo back some time.
Re-settling I mean, not marching in with their army!!!
Shouldn't the Jews just bow down and acknowledge the greater Palestinian numbers, like Albanians in Kosovo?
Demographics ARE indeed a weapon, Arafat himself recognized that back already.
Skewed demographics will force Jews to either separate the land into two states, one jewish and one palestinian, or to become a pariah apartheid society shunned and isolated by everybody, a minority spending their days suppressing uprisings of the opressed majority!
Remember my rule...the moment Kosovo becomes again a serbian society their culture should and will be the dominant one again!
Oh, the Prussians were removed from Gdańsk btw. If you raise the argument of age-old contributions, you have to be fair and acknowledge the age-old contributions of Serbia to Kosovo.
They were ethnically cleansed you mean.
Show me when and how the serbian majority was cleansed from the Kosovo.
If the Germans had re-settled back to what is now Germany and left Danzig voluntarily during many years till they were only a tiny minority anymore, there wouldn't be much discussion today but that wasn't the case, wasn't it...
Bratwurst Boy
13 Jun 2009
History / Russia: Poland responsible for WW II [300]
I did answer that, Seanie! :)
There would be unrest first and if the current politicians didn't react, chosing to ignore or to downtalk the problem, there would rise up one politician who does not ignore the plight of the people, who promises to do something and they would flock to him.
He would get voted in and at first some laws would be sharpened up and new would be inventend.
Either the newcomers would accomodate or they would get thrown out.
If they decide to protest and to fight the police and special forces would get the nod...
That's how it would be!
PS: Danzig had the german numbers AND the german contributions.
Kosovo now has nearly only Albos the same as Gdansk now has nearly only Poles...both is to be accepted or there would be war and bloodshed!
What if all the Turks actually came across and took everything over? You didn't really answer that.
I did answer that, Seanie! :)
There would be unrest first and if the current politicians didn't react, chosing to ignore or to downtalk the problem, there would rise up one politician who does not ignore the plight of the people, who promises to do something and they would flock to him.
He would get voted in and at first some laws would be sharpened up and new would be inventend.
Either the newcomers would accomodate or they would get thrown out.
If they decide to protest and to fight the police and special forces would get the nod...
That's how it would be!
Aha, so the criteria is numbers or contributions over time? Let us be clear.
PS: Danzig had the german numbers AND the german contributions.
Kosovo now has nearly only Albos the same as Gdansk now has nearly only Poles...both is to be accepted or there would be war and bloodshed!
Bratwurst Boy
13 Jun 2009
History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]
*looks for hidden camera*
BB are you smoking weed?
*looks for hidden camera*
Bratwurst Boy
13 Jun 2009
History / Russia: Poland responsible for WW II [300]
Hmmm...can't say really..if it would be quick it would mean the destruction of the Turkey too when so many millions leave the country.
If it happens slowly over the centuries it would need to be seen if the newcomers assimilate/integrate into the host countries or if they want to force the host countries to accomodate to them instead.
I believe in a red line for every human and society.
Down this line every society is able to integrate or even only live side by side with a foreign culture/minority...nearing that line or above there will be clashes and in the end a war for domination.
There can only one culture be the dominant one in a society...the whole concept of a multi-cultural society is so wrong!
The height of said "red line" differs from human to human and from society to society!
Rule of the thumb: The culture of the society should be the dominant one or there will be war.
Now the society of Kosovo is Albanian, that's the dry fact.
To put on the serbian culture to the albanian society would be the reason for much more war and bloodshed.
It was a hypothetical question, BB. So, what if Turks did that?
Hmmm...can't say really..if it would be quick it would mean the destruction of the Turkey too when so many millions leave the country.
If it happens slowly over the centuries it would need to be seen if the newcomers assimilate/integrate into the host countries or if they want to force the host countries to accomodate to them instead.
I believe in a red line for every human and society.
Down this line every society is able to integrate or even only live side by side with a foreign culture/minority...nearing that line or above there will be clashes and in the end a war for domination.
There can only one culture be the dominant one in a society...the whole concept of a multi-cultural society is so wrong!
The height of said "red line" differs from human to human and from society to society!
Rule of the thumb: The culture of the society should be the dominant one or there will be war.
Now the society of Kosovo is Albanian, that's the dry fact.
To put on the serbian culture to the albanian society would be the reason for much more war and bloodshed.
Bratwurst Boy
13 Jun 2009
History / Russia: Poland responsible for WW II [300]
Well...that's exactly one of the reasons why the common people are against it! :)
No chance of that to happen.....
OK, BB. So what if Turkey joined the EU and decided to go, en masse, to Germany and repopulate vast areas.
Well...that's exactly one of the reasons why the common people are against it! :)
No chance of that to happen.....
Bratwurst Boy
13 Jun 2009
History / Russia: Poland responsible for WW II [300]
Why should they?
He promised to make things right again. For most Germans he was the knight in the shining armor!
Okay...
Look, it would have taken 100 people to take Hitler down.
Why should they?
He promised to make things right again. For most Germans he was the knight in the shining armor!
Your people are robots that can't think for themselves.
Okay...
Bratwurst Boy
13 Jun 2009
History / Russia: Poland responsible for WW II [300]
If Kosovo had a population of 98 percent Serbs no one would dispute their claim.
But as it is it is now 98 percent Albo (and Albos and Serbs don't seem to go along well).
Serbs really "lost" it voluntarily...it's hard to find compassion as it didn't happen overnight.
It would become comparable once Germans re-settle en masse in Danzig till they get the majority again and then campaign for a incorporation into Germany. :)
BB, do you acknowledge Kosovo to be Serbian? They built it up after all, just like the Prussians did in Danzig.
If Kosovo had a population of 98 percent Serbs no one would dispute their claim.
But as it is it is now 98 percent Albo (and Albos and Serbs don't seem to go along well).
Serbs really "lost" it voluntarily...it's hard to find compassion as it didn't happen overnight.
It would become comparable once Germans re-settle en masse in Danzig till they get the majority again and then campaign for a incorporation into Germany. :)
Bratwurst Boy
13 Jun 2009
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Without it Hitler would had stayed a failed painter.
Every doku and biography tells you that. Don't invent history here.
google.com/webhp?hl=en#hl=en&safe=off&num=100&newwindow=1&q=Hitler+Treaty+of+Versailles&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g1&fp=IWiWscLtBbU
And of course, if I had been a Danziger I would had volunteered to work for him!
Stop blaming your misdeeds on Versailles. You put Hitler in power and went along with all his crazy, idiotic ideas.
Without it Hitler would had stayed a failed painter.
Every doku and biography tells you that. Don't invent history here.
google.com/webhp?hl=en#hl=en&safe=off&num=100&newwindow=1&q=Hitler+Treaty+of+Versailles&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g1&fp=IWiWscLtBbU
And of course, if I had been a Danziger I would had volunteered to work for him!
Bratwurst Boy
13 Jun 2009
Bratwurst Boy
13 Jun 2009
History / Russia: Poland responsible for WW II [300]
They are already on their way...deeply intertwined
with their german neighbours...no tanks will roll, no bullets will be fired! :):):)
They are already on their way...deeply intertwined
with their german neighbours...no tanks will roll, no bullets will be fired! :):):)
Bratwurst Boy
13 Jun 2009
History / Russia: Poland responsible for WW II [300]
Says who?
It's never to late....Think about it, no borders, the whole of EU the backyard for german products, Germans can settle where they want, soon a Europe of regions instead of nationstates...we did it already! :)
Says who?
It's never to late....Think about it, no borders, the whole of EU the backyard for german products, Germans can settle where they want, soon a Europe of regions instead of nationstates...we did it already! :)
Bratwurst Boy
13 Jun 2009
History / Russia: Poland responsible for WW II [300]
Well..we are doing that right now!
Yep, because they needed it.
They were looking after their best interests, can't blame them for that! You should have let them have it awhile, build up their economy, then try to get it back later :P
They were looking after their best interests, can't blame them for that! You should have let them have it awhile, build up their economy, then try to get it back later :P
Well..we are doing that right now!
Bratwurst Boy
13 Jun 2009
History / Russia: Poland responsible for WW II [300]
Well...in the case of Danzig Poland was quite agressive.
Denying every compromise or negotiations...better start to read a good history book Plastic Pole!
Or start with Wiki: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_City_of_Danzig#Politics
Poland the poor victim again!
It was to help one country who was struggling inbetween two aggressive ones.
Well...in the case of Danzig Poland was quite agressive.
Denying every compromise or negotiations...better start to read a good history book Plastic Pole!
Or start with Wiki: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_City_of_Danzig#Politics
...Despite several years of proposals by the German governments, both before and after 1933, to renegotiate Danzig's anomalous position, Poland refused, and as late as April 1939 Professor Burckhardt was told by the Polish Commissioner-General that any attempt to alter its status would be answered with armed resistance on the part of Poland.[7]...
Poland the poor victim again!
Bratwurst Boy
13 Jun 2009
History / Russia: Poland responsible for WW II [300]
Well...that the people in Versailles didn't was the starting point of WWII.
It wasn't the people of Danzig who changed the borders nor were they greedy or selfish as you claimed.
They just wanted back home were they belonged!
Crap...you did change borders since the Mayflowers landed. Or how do you came to span the whole continent and to 50 or so countries in the USofA?
Here also you never asked the Natives!
You only stopped quite recently this occupying and border changing business...take a look into Wiki!
I think you should just leave things as they are and quit changing things all the time.
Well...that the people in Versailles didn't was the starting point of WWII.
It wasn't the people of Danzig who changed the borders nor were they greedy or selfish as you claimed.
They just wanted back home were they belonged!
Why do you think we never do that in the US?
Crap...you did change borders since the Mayflowers landed. Or how do you came to span the whole continent and to 50 or so countries in the USofA?
Here also you never asked the Natives!
You only stopped quite recently this occupying and border changing business...take a look into Wiki!
Bratwurst Boy
13 Jun 2009
History / Russia: Poland responsible for WW II [300]
Erm...Poles are currently "occupying" Danzig..Some Germans want it back, what do you think should be done with those Poles?
Imagine LA is fully German and the surrounding Mexicans are Poles...now the situation fits better!
Should Germans become Poles and give the town away just like that?
The same with the founder of Danzig.
Who has more rights? Columbus/some Boleslaw or the people who worked and lived here?
Should Spain claim the US as "always spanish"?
It doesn't matter if Germans occupy the town.
Erm...Poles are currently "occupying" Danzig..Some Germans want it back, what do you think should be done with those Poles?
Would you give LA to Mexico because of all the Mexicans who speak Spanish?
Imagine LA is fully German and the surrounding Mexicans are Poles...now the situation fits better!
Should Germans become Poles and give the town away just like that?
BB, I meant that America was discovered by Columbus but does that determine its future forever? Of course not! I was trying to discuss the importance of the founder and make a point that it isn't the founding that's always critical.
The same with the founder of Danzig.
Who has more rights? Columbus/some Boleslaw or the people who worked and lived here?
Should Spain claim the US as "always spanish"?
Bratwurst Boy
13 Jun 2009
History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]
Well...they sucked!
Nationalism ruled, minorities suffered...Poland invaded other countries, had two wars, got overrun and destroyed in the latter...and all that in such a short time! When you call that success..
Heh:)
After the Kopernikus-formular Grabski was russian and Lusasiewicz was austrian :)
(And Gdynia was long time prussian) :):):)
Poland between 1921-1939 considering starting point it was a great success!
Well...they sucked!
Nationalism ruled, minorities suffered...Poland invaded other countries, had two wars, got overrun and destroyed in the latter...and all that in such a short time! When you call that success..
Ok, tell me please about Polish economical achievements anytime before 1989
Heh:)
After the Kopernikus-formular Grabski was russian and Lusasiewicz was austrian :)
(And Gdynia was long time prussian) :):):)
Bratwurst Boy
13 Jun 2009
History / Russia: Poland responsible for WW II [300]
Are you kidding???
They didn't BELONG to Poland! That's the crux of the matter...
They got one evening to bed as Germans in Germany and woke up as a minority in a new hostile country! Just like that! Without their doing or fault!
And you just shrug and say..."get used to it"???
Are you really that thick???
Why weren't your Poles satisfied with being under prussian or austrian rule one could ask the same!
Why not take on Polish citizenship? Why is it such a big deal anyway? With a little diplomacy it would have been a non issue.
Are you kidding???
If the city belongs to Poland there has to be some kind of compromise. They have to take the citizenship because they are in Poland.
They didn't BELONG to Poland! That's the crux of the matter...
They got one evening to bed as Germans in Germany and woke up as a minority in a new hostile country! Just like that! Without their doing or fault!
And you just shrug and say..."get used to it"???
Are you really that thick???
Why weren't your Poles satisfied with being under prussian or austrian rule one could ask the same!
Bratwurst Boy
13 Jun 2009
History / Russia: Poland responsible for WW II [300]
???
Good point by BB. Is America now Spanish or Portuguese? NOPE!
???
Bratwurst Boy
13 Jun 2009
History / Russia: Poland responsible for WW II [300]
You don't know much about the history of these lands, don't you?
Astounding that you have still such a firm judgement
about all.
Poles and Germans weren't the best neighbours in those times. In short they hated each other. Polish policy against all minorities wasn't much better than the later Adolfs ones.
The Polish government wanted to force the Germans to take on polish citizenship or to leave...a forerunner of the later ethnic cleansing.
If you were a German and wanted nothing else but BACK HOME, would you just say..."Hey...who cares...now I'm polish...doesn't matter..."?
No, you wouldn't!
The same as Poles still wanted their own country and wanted to stay Poles during their partitions.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_City_of_Danzig#Population
"Free city" my a*ss:
What's the worse that could of happened?
You don't know much about the history of these lands, don't you?
Astounding that you have still such a firm judgement
about all.
Poles and Germans weren't the best neighbours in those times. In short they hated each other. Polish policy against all minorities wasn't much better than the later Adolfs ones.
The Polish government wanted to force the Germans to take on polish citizenship or to leave...a forerunner of the later ethnic cleansing.
If you were a German and wanted nothing else but BACK HOME, would you just say..."Hey...who cares...now I'm polish...doesn't matter..."?
No, you wouldn't!
The same as Poles still wanted their own country and wanted to stay Poles during their partitions.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_City_of_Danzig#Population
"Free city" my a*ss:
...It was placed under League of Nations "protection", with special economic-related rights reserved for Poland.[1]
The city was denied self-determination, despite the majority of German-speaking citizens calling for a reunion with Germany....
The city was denied self-determination, despite the majority of German-speaking citizens calling for a reunion with Germany....
Bratwurst Boy
13 Jun 2009
History / Russia: Poland responsible for WW II [300]
Of course I accept the date if it's mainstream knowledge.
But I just wonder what the Poles did all this time in "their town"?
The list of polish famous people from Danzig is quite...erm...short...
What about the architecture?
Even if the Poles founded Danzig their imprint on this town is really small!
Do you accept 997 AD as the date of formation of Gdańsk?
Of course I accept the date if it's mainstream knowledge.
But I just wonder what the Poles did all this time in "their town"?
The list of polish famous people from Danzig is quite...erm...short...
What about the architecture?
Even if the Poles founded Danzig their imprint on this town is really small!
Bratwurst Boy
13 Jun 2009
History / Russia: Poland responsible for WW II [300]
And what about the Germans populating the town?
What about their needs?
Poland was in greater need. Otherwise it wouldn't have gone to Poland in the first place.
And what about the Germans populating the town?
What about their needs?
Bratwurst Boy
13 Jun 2009
History / Russia: Poland responsible for WW II [300]
I don't care actually!
Everybody knows that Poles and Germans in this regions mixed, that borders changed alot, whole towns changed hands back and forth for centuries!
I only object to people who want to scratch out the german centuries in these lands totally.
Next they say the first book printing in Krakau was also done by a Pole and not a German! :)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_printing_in_Poland
You tell me.
I don't care actually!
Everybody knows that Poles and Germans in this regions mixed, that borders changed alot, whole towns changed hands back and forth for centuries!
I only object to people who want to scratch out the german centuries in these lands totally.
Next they say the first book printing in Krakau was also done by a Pole and not a German! :)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_printing_in_Poland