History / Drang nach Osten. [79]

well BB, time to head North then, not East.

Germanic haplogroupS (the darker the more Germanic):

This is where Germanic tribes were located in the Bronze age:



Theories about the origin of Slavs: The location of the speakers of pre-Proto-Slavic and Proto-Slavic is subject to considerable debate. Serious candidates are cultures on the territories of modern Belarus, Poland, European Russia and Ukraine.

If anybody pushed anybody that was Germans pushing Slavs.:)

Life / Polish Names day traditions? Presents? Food? [39]


Sure thing.
That doesn't mean that nae day is no longer celebrated in Poland. If by "older" JustysiaS meant people over 40 then is nearly 1/2 of Poland's population.

Language / Plural endings [20]


It does. "czego" is rude, not more polite in this context, and is sometimes used instead of "co".

Language / Plural endings [20]


there is also a thing of note here, if someone tries to get your attention then asnwering:

co? is not elegant
czego? is rude

News / March of Tolerance in Krakow [478]


You are outdoing yourself in complete misunderstanding of what is being written here. One need no single proof that homosexuality in any species caused extintion. Not one. One only needs to proof that homosexual intercourse cannot produce offspring within a given species.


And where did I say that? Quote me?
Or is it your English?


Now I am religious? Have you aver read anything I have to say about religion? Again, you're inventing as you go. You require proof for what I say. Show me yours.


consent is a social concept. Biology does not care about consent. I am not discussing homosexuality on a social level. You are and you try to drag me into it.


Pedophilia has been known forever. Humanity survived. What's the problem here?


Homosexuality is anything but taboo. What seems to be taboo to you is discussing biology without resorting to levels secondary, or even tertiary in respect to life.


I do not have a problem with homosexuality at all. I am not homosexual, neither do I care whether homosexuals exist or not.


Again, quote me where I said homos are responsible for any extinction?


And where the fvck did I disagree with any of that?

If you are unable to comprehend simple arguments then read them again. I don't expect you to agree with them, but it would be great if you rebutted statements I made, not the statements you think or assume I made.

News / March of Tolerance in Krakow [478]


I am using scientific facts.
What I have refused to do is to call homosexuality a disease. I did not refrain from calling it an aberration (biological) which it clearly is.

The problem with calling a condition a disease is that the word is a word defined in many various ways. We would open a can of worms just by trying to define it, or even to accept any of the existing definitions. But since you insist...

for instance, this is what wikipedia says (my annotations are in parentheses, following bold text):

A disease is an abnormal condition of an organism that impairs bodily functions and can be deadly. It is also defined as a way of the body harming itself in an abnormal way (anal sex is known to cause injuries as the anus has no natural lubrication, infections are very likely),[1] associated with specific symptoms and signs.[2][3]

In human beings,"disease" is often used more broadly to refer to any condition that causes extreme pain, dysfunction (inability to procreate), distress, social problems, and/or death to the person afflicted, or similar problems for those in contact with the person. In this broader sense, it sometimes includes injuries, disabilities, disorders (sexual identity disorder), syndromes, infections, isolated symptoms, deviant behaviors (homosexuality is biologically deviant), and atypical variations of structure and function (atypical use anus), while in other contexts and for other purposes these may be considered distinguishable categories.

hope this helps

News / March of Tolerance in Krakow [478]


BBoy, I am disappointed with you and all those who are so stubborn about the whole "homosexuality predates this and that and yet humanity didn't die". Since I am responsible for bringing the survival of the species aspect of homosexuality forward I feel I need to make sure it gets through the all those minds resistant to logic, and frankly, understanding of simple words.

Homeosexuality obviously has not cause extintion of human beings, and possibly of no other species. Perhaps it will never cause it, perhaps it will. I simply do not want to argue about the future because no matter how much material we have, predicting future is good for the nostradamuses of this world.

The point where I mention that survival of the species shows how homosexuality is an aberrant behavior is only to illustrate the point. The purpose of sexual intercourse in humans (on biological level) is procreation. Homosexual intercourse does not fulfill this requirement. Hence, it is against life. The use of organs in homosexual relations results from mistaken sexual identity. MISTAKEN, i.e. not expected, i.e. not normal.

Other arguments that I cannot call by names other than silly (not to use stronger words) are : homosexuals are naturally the way they are. So is cancer, ebola, HIV, bubonic plague etc. Just like homosexuality, they occur in nature naturally, none of those caused the extinction of the human race, and yet a person with one or more of those conditions is considered sick.

Similarly, rapists are just the way they are, so are murderers, thieves. None of these caused anywhere close to an extinction of human race so they should be considered OK.

I am not comparing gays to murderers, and I hope it is clear that I am merely ridiculing the automatic acceptance of a status just because that status exists. After all the reality was such that homosexual relationships were illegal in the UK not such a long time ago. That was the reality, i.e. things were the way they were. Anybody willing to protest the changes gay movement forced? If so, why not accept the anti-gay movement? If so, why make any changes at all? Why kill bacteria? They have feeling, you know? ;)

And again, as for the touchy feely comments, nature does not care about feelings. When a human body is consumed by cancer it is not a pretty sight. A person looks terrible, ugly, terrible stench is sometimes present and above all it hurts for long periods of time.

There is also a lot of hurt every time we have fun and some meat is present during a feast. Animals are killed but most do not think twice about that. (no, I am not a tree hugger, and I do eat meat).

Nature is not to be confused with some big hug that's meant to make us feel good. It's a system that is neither good, nor bad, pretty or ugly. It just is. The living, bilogical part of nature exists and continues to exist because individuals give life to new individuals. Homosexuals, in their pure form, are incapable of this. This the nature of homosexuality is against life, but not necessarily a major, nor even minor, contributor to any possible dangers of the extinction of the human species.

A side note, perhaps Marches of Tolerance for gays and lesbians should be accompanied, or followed by Marches of Tolerance for families. You know what I mean? The old fashion way where there is a mother an father and children and they are the real and primary providers of all needs of their offspring, insted of allowing the TV and youtube to do the job?

Language / LASKA- CHICK, BABE OR BIRD? [12]


The part where you state where the word started is certainly not true. The rest, if based on the first part may be pretty dubious too.

"Laska" in Polish and in reference to a girl was coined sometime in the late 1960's and became mainstream in mid 1970's after a Polish comedy performer (forgot the name - Andrzej Rosiewicz?) sang a parody of a song from a 1964 Czech movie under the title Láska nebeská (Heavenly Love). So "laska" in colloquial Polish came to mean "love" or a pretty girl. There were no negative connotations at the time.

The word laska also meant a cane/walking stick and indeed, it was used in street Polish to denote penis. Slang changes very fast so I can't vouch for the innocence of the word "laska" in Poland today, but to the ears of those Poles I know, though still colloquial, it is certainly not impolite. As a matter of fact my wife, whom I never heard say the most popular Polish word (kurwa) has no problem with using this word. I'm not even sure I heard her say dupa at all. (dupa is a very mild word). If she uses a word, Polish or English, then the word is boringly deprived of any spice, but not necessarily of humor.

There is also an adjective created from "laska" - laskowata/laskowaty, i.e. slangish for pretty/attractive and we use it at home pretty much on a regular basis. Jokingly, we will describe a car as "laskowaty".

But again, I haven't lived in Poland in a long while.

Language / My Learning Polish Woes... [64]


actually, Poles will sometimes jokingly use "sześć" (6) instead of "cześć"

Language / My Learning Polish Woes... [64]


plosive (stop)vs. fricative


Reading is not good enough. You need to read aloud and repeat. Repetition is king in learning languages (or queen, if you prefer)


yeah, it's a pretty slippery language


If you keep at it a lot of it will.

News / March of Tolerance in Krakow [478]


Desperate and frankly, stupid argument.

Using the same logic you might say that male laryngologists are people who have or would love to have larynx and nasopharynx diseases, but won;t admit to it.

Language / Pronunciation difference between Ź and Ż / RZ [83]


yes, and using all the same devoicing rules that apply to ż

News / March of Tolerance in Krakow [478]


Of course it is. The point is that some individuals fancy what leads to a potential extinction of their gene pool.


It is an imbalance for sure. The purpose of that imbalance is to make people stop thinking rationally and have sex instead. After all, love is also known as a trick nature plays on us to make us have sex and to perpetuate the species.

See what happens to all those people who win the battles with that imbalance. Careers, mortgages and by the time they decide to have 2.3 children it is often too late for them.


The same is true about HIV, flu etc. Except that these serve a survival of a species or two, while homosexual relations do not.


You are talking about social norms. I am not.


That, of course, is an uninformed statement. Homosexual relationship were accepted, and even encouraged in ancient Greece and Rome. Both cultures were deeply religious.

As for the rest, you understood approximately nothing.

Life / Where can I find Italian sausage in Kraków? [9]


It's like looking for Polish wine in France.
Blasphemy!!!

News / March of Tolerance in Krakow [478]


There are a few. I'm sure you can find them. Look at the part where they talk about procreation/perpetuation of the species.


Since homosexuality is not a new phenomenon then it is obvious that its purpose is not regulation of overpopulation at all. The problem of overpopulation in its age is dwarfed by the period of human histiry when the overpopulation wasn't even on the table. The plague (to name just one) is quite capable to do the job.


By no means do I want to mix biology and philosophy, even though too often do I fail to refuse getting drawn into the latter. Philosophy is ethnocentric, biology is not. I'm looking at things (in this thread) from purely biological standpoint. Hugging and touchy feely approach does not apply.

Homosexuality is indeed is a naturally occurring phenomenon, just like flu, mental disorders, hunger and old age. Of those homosexuality seems to be tho only one which doesn't cause physical pain, at least not on the level accepted by those who participate in it. Once more, this is irrelevant. The fundamental truth about homosexuality is that id does go against the human species as a whole. So do clinical diseases. The latter are sometimes countered by human immune system and eventually the species learns to survive future attacks by a foreign organism. I cannot think of such a mechanism in homosexuality. No kids means no kids, whether it hurts or not.

In other cases (bacterial and viral diseases) pain is irrelevant - bacteria or viruses do not seem to suffer when they consume an organism they invade. Again, you are much too ethnocentric and that makes you forget that human survival, much like the survival or many microbes, causes a lot of pain and suffering. Much less in Canada where we have only 30+ people, than in the USA with the population 10 times that number. We had Thanskgiving last Monday. Poor turkeys.

Other than that pain is good and necessary. Just think about it for a minute.


I do. In one of my jobs I took a position of a gay man who later died of HIV. There was another gay fella in the customer service there. Nice, good looking and well built 20 something man. I currently know a gay couple and I see them briefly at least aq couple times a week. Nice people, interested in computer graphics hence they come to ask questions on a pretty regular basis.


So what is wrong with that? Gays and straight, women and men, kids and adults are taken to labs all the time. People analyze data, behaviors, reactions, interactions and a whole whack of facts. If I do no harm I see nothing wrong or callous in an attempt to understand, explain or observe.


I have a lot of respect for you as you present yourself on this forum, and even this post will not change it. But let's face it - what you wrote above says and proves nothing, other than offering some potential for a good intro to a sermon. Except where you mention suicide. That should go in the actual sermon, probably somewhere towards the end so it could have a sort of a punchline effect.


Sick is a pretty well defined term, and guarded by all kinds pf political correctness rules so I won't go there. To answer your question then I'd say that indeed, people who refuse to contribute to the perpetuation of the species are aberrant and useless from the standpoint of the needs of that species.

Life / Polish Names day traditions? Presents? Food? [39]


No, you didn't say that at all. This is what you said:


Besides, what's "older people"? 30? 40? 140?

The debate is not about whether it's good, bad or serious. The fact remains that name day is celabrated in Poland. Simple as that.

I would also disagree that name day is a domain of mostly old people. If that was the truth then how come there are literally thousands of small businesses offering organization of name day parties specifically for children?

Also look for the same in high schools, universities and youth organizations. The country is literally infested with name day parties.

Now, speaking of who is outside Poland and for how long - when I lived there I heard about no such services at all. It turns out that name days are even more popular than it was years ago.

News / March of Tolerance in Krakow [478]


No, I created the hypothetical population to amplify the point that homsexuality is against a critical part of the definition of life.


Form the biological point I'm not sure I would call it healthy, unless by healthy you mean painless. There are many more mechanism to reduce human populations, and those mechanisms are well know from history and in the present time. Infectious diseases are just one example.

But there is a huge difference between reducing human population through infectious diseases vs. homosexuality. There is no possibility of males getting naturally pregnant and there is no benefit to the species from a homosexual intercourse. In homosexuality there is no survival drive. In a bacterial or a viral diseases there is a benefit to a species since bacteria and viri benefit from attacking other organisms on the scale of their entire species.

Again, I see no such benefit in human homosexuality.


Trying to put words in my mouth, eh? ;)

No, it doesn't and I am a firm believer that one's existence has no purpose whatsoever. I believe I remarked on that on a couple of occasions on this forum Once in motion though, life self perpetuates itself and this is it's most important trait, but not the purpose.


Of course. What's more, homosexual behaviors were not only known but also encouraged. Read into the Greek educational/personal ideals, pederasty (today known as pedophilia). Modern society and the pro gay movements are nothing that hadn't been done before. In fact they yet have to succeed with legalizing under age homosexuality to catch up with the ancient Greeks.

I would also be very careful using Plato as a support trooper. The man would likely be in jail if he presented his views today. Some say Plato's philosophy might be responsible for justifying a huge amount of human suffering throughout the ages, including euthanasia of the handicapped, mentally slow etc. Nope, let's not use Plato's morals. Many of them would be simply unacceptable today. And actually, let's keep morals to ourselves. Biology is more democratic and fair.


Not really. Cancer is a disease and it deadly. I know no person who would argue otherwise. Cancer is nothing new in humans and yet the species survived. See my comment to Foreigner4 above.


You are confusing parameters with planes. I am not writing about social, religious or moral aspects of homosexuality. I may later on, but right now I am concentration on what is by far more basic and fundamental than moral - biology.


I answered Misty and the answer is simple. Homosexuals suffer form the same symptoms as low sperm count patients, i.e. they cannot have children.

I don't know how many more times I should repeat that - I do not give one bit of squat about social norms at this point. Social norms are of secondary or even tertiary importance. First a species must do what a species needs to do survive as such. The social norms may change, and they have a few times, back and forth. Human biology in recorded history hasn't.

In so far as homosexuality causing suffering to homosexuals, I don't think it is a disease as I see no rush by gay to obtain pain killers. As an aspect for the survival of the species it certainly is an abnormal and undesirable behavior


Please, please, do not be stubborn and stop it. Apart from a brief remark on the bible, I am not interested in social norms. I am not judging anybody, I am writing about fundamentals of biological norms.

Life / Polish Names day traditions? Presents? Food? [39]


But Poles traditionally do celebrate imieniny. Not all for sure. But then, not all Poles celebrate Christmas either.


Sure thing. Except that in the case of names day they still celebrate it.


Speaking of Michal, just a couple of weeks ago they celebrated Michal's imieniny in Poland. I wouldn;t have known if I didn't readPOLISH media. Check the schedule for 2pm in that article.

In fact, today (Oct 15th) the prez. was late at the airport (2.11pm) because Jadwiga Kaczyńska celebrated her name day:

Prime Minister of Poland, Donald Tusk, said after the first day of the EU summit that the announcement of President Lech Kaczynski on common shares in the subsequent summit meetings is dangerous from the point of view of the Polish . - Announcing the President is dangerous from the point of view of the Polish - Tusk told reporters. He added that if you fail to settle the question of competence , then , " a last resort" you will need to change the constitution .

In other words, your memory of Poland is so fresh and yet so false :)

Life / Polish Names day traditions? Presents? Food? [39]


Are you saying that all there is to know about Poland happened, or has roots in times no earlier than 10 or 20 years ago?

News / British war memorial in/near Trojmiasto? [19]


it means they collect honouraria ;)

Life / Polish Names day traditions? Presents? Food? [39]


Sometimes you can, sometimes you can't.
And I did live in Poland too. Possibly longer than you did.

Life / Polish Names day traditions? Presents? Food? [39]


I was talking about what you referred to as "yanks", not necessarily Americans with Polish heritage. That fact that you have live somewhere doesn't automatically make you an expert in all the matters of that country.

I had a chance to learn from Americans a thing or two about Poland, and some of them were able to learn from me a thing or two about their country.

Life / Polish Names day traditions? Presents? Food? [39]

actually, at times they do :)
Few on this forum though.

History / It's a shame that we poles arent making this kind of movies anymore. [8]


The sense of your own victimhood is manifested by your constant complaints that Poles take away jobs from Brits, and that they clean toilets.

Can't you find another place of employment to practice law that you claim you study?

So stop behaving like a victim and find yourself your own toilet.

News / March of Tolerance in Krakow [478]


That is probably as natural as other forms of behavior. There seems to be a biological mechanism that repulses people from some objects or actions, and if indeed there is one, it would be easy to justify those descriptions, as they are rarely favorable and their intent is to discourage others form what is being criticized. Avoiding sex within closest family, avoiding some plants based on their look or smell, avoiding cannibalism (possible link to creutzfeldt jakobs) etc.

There also seems to be a natural interest in the bad, ugly, dangerous and the deadly which I cannot explain in biological terms. A death gene perhaps? For instance the concept of heaven and hell in various religions. The descriptions of the sufferings awaiting sinners are picturesque, at times works of art Not only the Bible, but even literature such as Dante's are very involved in describing the bad and the terrible, but their descriptions of the alleged eternal happiness is unconvincing and pale at best.

News / March of Tolerance in Krakow [478]


A very nice post. I like that post.
One problem though: you address it to me but you don't address the issues I wrote about.

Life / the responsibilities of the grandparents in Poland [4]

This is a situation where laws of two countries are involved. This complicates matters as the laws are likely different. Lermme tell you then, how Polish law approaches the issue.

Grandparents have little rights to the children. They are considered favorably when no closer relatives are available to provide care. Normally, they are also under no obligation to provide for the child in the form of alimony if there is someone else who can.

If the father is delinquent but he is an independent adult with little to no income, then tough luck. Grandparents are off the hook. When the father is under financial umbrella of the grandparents then they can be obliged to pay the alimony.

In general the courts is in a position to meander through bloodlines as long as it takes them to find someone who could be reasonably charged with the responsibility. The benefit of the child is a priority then.

No idea how that would work on the EU scale.

News / March of Tolerance in Krakow [478]


Don't go in the coulda-woulda direction to just back off then. This is lost time for all.


You seem to forget that bacteria and viruses are not the only one undergoing mutation and evolution. Nothing new in the biological history of human kind. Some people would die, some might be immune and those would survive, passing on the survival immunity gene to their offspring. Except for gays. Those would would not pass much of anything to future generations, save for a second hand skirt.


Not much of an argument. Schizophrenics are also the way they are in the same way that the rest of us are.


I don't think this is a place for filthy pictures and descriptions of misuse of body parts for purposes for which they are clearly not intended.


The example of bees is useless. Human procreation is not the same as that of bees, so indeed, human homosexuality will certainly not endanger the bee populations on this planet, but if pure and exclusive, human homosexuality would lead to the extinction of the human race. Similarly, if worker bees suddenly start screwing with ants that would have no effect on human survival. 'cept stock market price of honey would skyrocket. Bees don't organize gay parades. Human homosexuals do, and this is the topic. Let's stick to it.


I already mentioned I don't give a squat about biology vs. societal life. I am talking about basic human physiology. Don't mix in human and social understanding of "good" vs. "bad" in the debate on biology. Biology is neither moral or immoral.

If gays want to shoot at the wrong target, all the power (and condoms) for them. My argument is not about morals then, or even religion. Even if I think the bible clearly implies homosexuality is out of bounds. That is a view and an interpretation though, but there is nothing to interpret about sperm. Once released it doesn't care about desires, ethics and gay parades. If there is no egg there is no conception and that's where life stops.


Barney, how old are you? Of course pregnant women are not considered ill, just as heterosexuals are not considered ill. Sexual intercourse in a part of the process of procreation. So is pregnancy. Homosexual intercourse is not.


You're applying social norms to defeat an argument from biology. Whether your calm or generous doesn't impede your biological capability to procreate. Shooting in the wrong hole does.

There is also a degree of deviation form a norm and circumstances of the deviation. For instance, some claim that over 60% of young boys masturbate, but this is considered normal. If the behavior persists throughout adulthood as a sole type of sexual activity then is considered a mental problem. Homosexuality also occurs as a sole type of sexual interest or activity, or as one of the forms. Bisexuals, for instance, are not a thread to the survival of the species as much as "pure" gays" are.

Add to that such sexual forms, commonly know s perversions, such as zoophilia. Misty might say that zoophiliacs are just the way they are and are not perverted. Not up to me to judge, as the word perversion would be pushing the debate towards morality. Whether moral or not, zoophilia is also a humanity's dead end.

Real Estate / What is a "jard" [10]


hence an acre is roughly about half of a hectare ;)

News / March of Tolerance in Krakow [478]


is that a definition you're proposing?
Humans are trying to eradicate hunger and wars. Do you think we should call an ambulance to help out?


And you base this on... millions of years before the word "medicine" came to being and what.... 200 years when any kind of serious medical research started? How about ants, or lice, or birds. Do they have their own medical science? Without it they would have been extinct long time ago. Some species are tens of million of years old. I never heard about doctors among crocodiles. But then, I haven't watched TV in a long while.


How do you know? You must have some deep insight into the future of medical science.