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Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]
Wow, there seems to be nothing impossible for Poles. I even begin to suspect Pompei and Rome as well were built by Poles within Roman empire, while the Romans were living in palm trees watching as your anscestors were raising the cities ;)
...spot on!
Although I believe Poland always had the right to the Danzig/Gdansk corridor
Well...
and still do in Europe. Lost both WWI and WWII and being #4 richest country in the World. What does it tell you, you "wise sokrates" What have you achieved in that time? Yes you're achieving now a little but only with the cash floating from western Europe.
Oh and the argument with the Marshall plan won't wash. As GB and France became much more and they still stayed broke.
Not to mention that even the burden of re-unification with eastern Germany still couldn't kill the economical success and they even became export world champion in spit of it...
I want to see another country which could have pulled this off.
Not only one "Wirtschaftswunder" but two...
I think that even in the tombs many of them will turn over to disturb a dog's peaceful pissing on their graves in the morning silence.
They just can't handle the truth.
*nods*
So you mean that if Norway didn't expulse the Hansaets in Bergen it would been German? Faen ta deg tjukkas
The Hanse is a german invention. (Even the name is german)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanseatic_League
The Hanseatic League (also known as the Hansa) was an alliance of trading cities and their guilds that established and maintained a trade monopoly along the coast of Northern Europe, from the Baltic to the North Sea and inland, during the Late Middle Ages and early modern period (c.13th-17th centuries).
It grew big and included many formerly poor and unknown cities who grew now rich through trade.
The Hanse was something like the EU, they had their own laws, even their own protection, even their fashion and architecture became similiar to each other.
You can feel the proud, wealthy past in every careful preserved Baltic city which was once a member of the Hanse.
A german invention, again nothing polish about it!
(But who knows...in one hundred years a Pole will come and tell the EU a polish achievement)Also before ww2 the German population was about 96% which could have been because the Germans forced the Poles out.
Any link to support that accusation???
Of course there's plenty of beatifull buildings by Germans, you added greatly to the city but you didnt make it what it was or what it is, i'm opposing selling it as a German achievement thats all.
Well...tell that the tourists guides in Danzig who have to point out all the german achievements in the town!
Another "polish achievement"..printing:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_printing_in_Poland
The history of printing in Poland began in the late 15th century, when following the creation of the Gutenberg Bible in 1455, printers from Western Europe spread the new craft abroad.
The Polish capital at the time was in Kraków, where scholars, artists and merchants from Western Europe had already been present. Other cities which were part of the Polish kingdom followed later.
Cities of northern Polish province of Royal Prussia.[1], like the Hanseatic League city of Danzig (Gdansk), had established printing houses early on.
The first printing shop was possibly opened in Cracow (Kraków) by Augsburg-based Günther Zainer in 1465.
All Poles of course, weren't they!
It was just a minor mistake in 150 years on Polish part and as always it was a peaceful conquest. ;) Actually some Polish chronicles testify seeing God in the sky showing them the Promised Land in Ukrainian territories: "Burneth these barbaric people, o Greateth Polandeth, you will rejoiceth, O my belovedeth peaceful nationth" (A.D. 1340 by Rysiek the Monk, monastery of St. John the Pervert).
Yeah...what an angel like people between the russian and german wild barbarians!
So peacy and smart and...and...and...everything!!! *sob*
German architecture in Danzig
members.virtualtourist.com/m/p/m/230a5f/
...But I didn't know that Fahrenheit (German physycist) was born and lived in Gdansk, too. His scale of temperature is used in the USA and... Jamaica now and 0F was the lowest temperature he once measured in Gdansk.
...another polish achievement of course!And here is the reason: members.virtualtourist.com/m/tt/74aaa/
...Gdansk till 1945 was German city with only small Polish, Kashubian and Masurian minority.
I was taught quite different history at school in 1970' and 1980'. In totalitarian state, my teachers were forced to teach me fake history, that Gdansk was always Polish city with German minority which with huge support of imperialistic forces in the West...
Sokrates even believes it till today...
