News / Nazism in Poland - A recipe for mass suicide? [176]

re: Erm...well....they are our ancestors!

- In what way they are your ancestors, buttworst? Prove they are.
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News / Nazism in Poland - A recipe for mass suicide? [176]

Buttworst alleges that I stated that the Nazis considered themselves superior to the Romans. In reality I wrote that it was the germans who considered themselves superior to the Romans. Buttworst's statement seems to be proof of his inability to comprehend texts, i.e. his dullness, or that he is a liar.

I suggested that present-day French, Italians and germans have little in common even with the peoples inhabiting the three parts of the split Charlemagne empire, not to mention the Romans. In reply, buttworst gave me a lecture on the alleged origin of the English, French, Italians and germans, i.e. he scribbled off the subject. I don't think he comprehended my point. Another proof of his intellectual inadequacy.

Now does buttworst deny that hitler's mother was of Jewish origin? Yes or no?

Buttwrst asks me what makes me say that his 'pride' about germany's past seems to be based on delusions rather than facts about the past.

- Your statements about germany's past seem to show that you hold extremely wrong convictions about germany's past. E.g. you seem to identify things Germanic with things german, e.g. you seem to believe that present-day germans have much to do with the Germanic leader Odoacer. Well, where's the proof of the close link between Odoacer and schroeder, merkel, or buttwrst?

Your and your ilk's convictions about germany's past are hopelessly delusional.
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News / Nazism in Poland - A recipe for mass suicide? [176]

re: Today the real "Nazis" are either already dead or at least very soon...NAZIS means actually National Socialists, a party which is since 1945 non-existentALL ...

- Well, as I understand, according to you the Nazis are either dead, or shall be dead very soon, and they are non-existent at the same time.

re: todays younger generation Nazis are Neo-Nazis

- And now you suggest that Nazis actually exist but they are 'Neo-Nazis' (sic).

So do Nazis actually exist or not?

And what do the words 'Nazi' and 'neo-Nazi' mean?

re: Why am I stupid?

- You are stupid because you are unable to question your convictions about history (and, inevitably, about other things).

re: Because I have a grasp on european history?

- I have proven you are ignorant about European history. Another evidence of your stupidity is that you are convinced you know a lot about European history and try to put down somebody more knowledgeable and superior intellectually to you, i.e. myself. If you were clever you would show respect and humbleness towards me.

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PS. Google and wikipedia are good sources of information for idiots only. Can you ever get to know why? I doubt it.

News / Nazism in Poland - A recipe for mass suicide? [176]

Wow, buttworst tries to carry on a 'polemic' with me. Let's have a closer look at his statements.

re: YOU stated that the Nazis probably felt superior to the Romans where I brought evidence that they saw themselves rather in the tradition, as the inheritors of the roman empire.

- Give a quote where I state that the Nazis probably felt superior to the Romans. Also, quote the alleged evidence you 'brought' that the Nazis saw themselves rather in the tradition, etc. Your posting shows you 'brought' no evidence in this respect; you only 'brought' the following phrase (in bad English): 'More like as in inheritors!'

re: Lot's of todays Italy was part of Charlemagnes Imperium which got parted after his death (also what is now France and what is now Germany)...add to that the germanic Lombards or South Tyrol (a former austrian province) you got a lot of german influence in Italy...

- Well, but Charlemagne wasn't a german only a Germanic ruler, was he? Now there's a world of difference between something being Germanic and german. For instance, English is considered a Germanic language, which doesn't mean it's German. Now what would Charlemagne have in common with merkel, cohn-bandit, or buttworst (provided the latter is really german, and not e.g. austrian)?! :))))))))))) Yes, Charlemagne's empire split into three parts which much later became France, Italy and germany. The present-day French, Italians and germans have very little in common with the population inhabiting those three parts of Charlemagne territory. These three are actually dying out. And buttworst's god - hitler - was actually of Jewish origin (see e.g. John Toland's biography of Hitler).

re: But I doubt a German speaks of himself as Celt, Greek, Dacian or as Gaul...why should he?

- Did I ever claim that a german speaks of himself as Celt, Greek, etc.? - But perhaps I should? I remember one german trying to prove that 'the Celts' were the original inhabitants of germany. :)))

re: we have a proud past!

- Your 'pride' seems to be based on delusions rather than facts about the past.

re: I don't think you are actually knowledgeable enough to "bragg" about history with me...so...no thanks!

- Do you mean I am ignorant about history? - Prove it. Hehe, you won't 'bragg' with me about history because you're scared your ignorance and stupidity will show even clearer. You seem to project on me your own ignorance and dullness.

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News / Nazism in Poland - A recipe for mass suicide? [176]

Buttworst gives quotes from his Google search as the alleged proof of the existence of 'Nazism' in Poland. (Before, he quoted wikipedia... What does it say about his intellectual level? :))

Now the word used in the quotes is 'neo-Nazi,' not 'Nazi.'

No explanation is given what is understood by the word.

From my own experience, the word is an absurd term, coming from the rhetorical arsenal of the commiefascist press, similar in its absurdity to terms such as 'anti-Semitism' and 'Western Europe.'

Thus you haven't given any proof of the existence of 'Nazism' in Poland, buttworst.

Hm, I start doubting is buttworst is German; he seems to be too stupid to be one. Would he be e.g. a Russki provocateur attempting to pass as a German?

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News / Nazism in Poland - A recipe for mass suicide? [176]

re: damn Daf.....you're quick ;) I think calling nazis b******s should be allowed. He was the biggest mother flapper in history

- Fisz, does it mean that daffy removed a post where the nazis are called 'b*******s'?
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re: Im surprised there is nazism in Poland

- Is there? Prove it.

Buttworst states: More like as in inheritors! Not only was the roman Empire at his end german... [sic]

- So the germans believe the Roman empire was eventually german, i.e. was dominated by them, the germans? Where's the proof that Odoacer has anything in common with, say, schroeder, merkel, or such buttworst? :)))))))))))))

Oh God, here you've got the European imbecilism: the germans believe they are Romans and so do the Italians (which is even a more ridiculous delusion), others believe they are the ancient Celts, Greeks, Dacians, Gauls....

It's all the racial pride and an attempt to lift one's national self-esteem, isn't it?

Norman Davies (author of a tolerable but surely not the best history of Poland) suggests we Poles came once from Iran.

Should we brag about being the ancient Aryas or Aryans?

And one german Zarathustra by the name of Nietzche used to say proudly that he was Polish, not german....
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News / Nazism in Poland - A recipe for mass suicide? [176]

Good point, Fisz. Hitler and his bunch were kitchy and vulgar, just as Stalin and his bunch were. Compare how similar Nazi and Commie art is - the same pompous mammoth figures and architecture. Yuch.

The germans used the Roman salute because they believed they were the inheritors of the Romans and that they were the 20th century Romans.

I think they perhaps believed themselves to be superior to the Romans because they believed they had once beat up the Romans.

The great George Orwell called the 20th century the century of mass delusions....
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News / Nazism in Poland - A recipe for mass suicide? [176]

Buttworst the deutch suggests that burning a swastika by the Russkies is 'cool' and 'melodramatic.'

What if by burning the swastika the Russkies express their unconscious hatred of the germans?

The Russkies once burned lots of swastikas.

And made lots of love to german women in the melodramatic glow of the flames....
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News / Nazism in Poland - A recipe for mass suicide? [176]

A type calling himself firestud13 (with inactive profile), titles his post provocatively: 'Nazism in Poland - A recipe for a mass suicide?'

He then suggests that 'some poles [are] engaging in Nazi behaviour.' By those 'some Poles' firestup seems to understand some assistant to some 'right-wing Polish European Parliament lawmaker.'

And by their alleged 'Nazi behaviour' he seems to understand the assistant's 'a straight-armed Nazi salute at a rally with a burning swastika in the background.'

So one person or even a group of persons in Poland giving a Nazi salute create the danger of a mass suicide of the Poles? How come?

Now, is burning, i.e. destroying a swastika, the proof of 'Nazi behaviour'?

I would think that in certain situations preserving a swastika may rather appear an example of 'Nazi behaviour' than burning it.

Now, I remember that a few years back the Jewish journalist Jerzy Urban, a notorious figure in Poland, lost his court case against a Polish prof who had called Urban a Goebbels. When another Jewish journalist referred to the lost case in a TV interview with Urban, the latter made a Nazi salute.

Would firestupd call Urban's Nazi salute an 'engaging in Nazi behaviour'?

Would he threaten that Urban's Nazi salute may cause a mass suicide of Jews?

All over the world there are individuals and groups who greet themselves with a salute similar to or identical as the so-called Nazi salute.

Would firestupd suggest that because e.g. some Irish use the salute therefore they are stupid, and there may happen a mass suicide of the Irish because some of them use the salute?

Or would firestupd limit his scolding, name calling and the prospect of a mass suicide to 'Slavs' or Poles only?

If the latter, what would it say about himself? Maybe that he's a crypto-Nazi? :)

If I remember right, the so-called Nazi salute is in fact an ancient Roman salute, isn't it?
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PS. I don't even ask what firestupd means by 'Nazism,' because it would be an absurd thing to ask. The word 'Nazism' today signifies nothing, just as such words as 'anti-Semitism' and 'the West' do. 'Nazism' is de facto another synonym of the vague expression 'the worst evil.'

News / Poland's Growth Fastest in 10 Years [95]

re: Czechs were always pro-German and Austrian

- Not true at the least. Have you ever read The Good Soldier Schweik by Jaroslav Hasek? The greatest anti-German, anti-Austrian and anti-Hapsburg satire ever.

And way the funniest book I've ever read. Such Catch 22 is pathetic compared to Hasek's brilliant novel.

The Czechs did not put out fight in 1938 because they were too weak to do that, and they were left alone by the rest of Europe, including us, Poles. It's a monstrous disgrace the way they were treated. And during WWII they showed great bravery fighting the Germans in their own country and abroad, e.g. in the Battle of Britain.

A small but great European nation - a nation with guts.

News / Poland's Growth Fastest in 10 Years [95]

re: there is nobody in there who is actually mad like Giertych or Lepper

- So Giertych and Lepper are mad? Please give pertinent facts. Do you suggest that their alleged 'madness' is responsible for the fact that Poland is allegedly doing economically worse than the Czech Republic? If yes, explain, giving specific facts.

As I understand, zion and others seem to be convinced that Poles' alleged being overly concerned with the past than the future is responsible for our alleged worse economical performance than the Czechs. How would it be responsible? Please explain giving specific facts.

Isn't it the reason that the Czechs and some others from the former commie camp are doing economically better than Poland because at a certain point they got more foreign investment than Poland did?

And if they got more of the foreign investment than the Poles did, the question pops up: why?

On what grounds was the decision made to invest more with them than with us?

Were these grounds purely economical, or perhaps some others?
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Kruk, in what way the present Polish government 'seems to do everything to keep Poland backward and behind'? Please give specific facts.

So you think that the main obstacle to Poland's progress is 'old Soviet Bureaucracy in a modern world,' and you suggest that the Kaczynski government ought to 'kick out all the old unhelpful clerks' and then 'Poland will soar'?

Now hasn't the Kaczynski government been doing exactly the thing you advocate: exposing and getting rid of the ex-communists in the politics, military, police, etc.?

And isn't the purge the reason for the Kaczynskis' being fiercely slammed by the commiefascist media psychopaths throughout Europe? Note the coverage the Kaczynskis get e.g. in the commiefascist La Reppublica rag in Italy.

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UK, Ireland / English people attitude towards Poles? [761]


- Are you sure it's the case, buddy? - If the Poles had to send to their families even 1/3 of what they earn in the UK, they would not make it there. Why? - Because they earn little, and the cost of living in the UK is exorbitant: taxes, Home Office rip-off (only for the 'East Europeans'), rent....

The fairy tale about the naughty Poles coming to the UK in order to drain it from cash has been fabricated and spread by the media psychopaths.

Do you believe in fairy tales, Sparrow?
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News / POLISH LITTLE GIRL SHOT DEAD BY AN ITALIAN [104]

Ajgraham asks me: 'What do you expect Puzzler?....I don't have anything against the Poles, but one thing I have noticed about them is.... Do they really have anything decent to say about anyone else?'

- Do you suggest that we dislike everybody? If so, prove it.

In reality, we don't have anything decent to say about those who don't treat us decently.

We have decent things to say about those who treat us decently.

Would it be bad, according to you, pal?

You say: 'I don't have anything against the Poles.'

- Yeah, right.

Your postings show what attitude you really have towards us.

Now if you had any decency at all, you'd apologise to the Poles on your knees.

UK, Ireland / English people attitude towards Poles? [761]

Ajgraham scribbles: 'So how do you explain the fact that most Poles in Britain do the jobs that most English people for obvious reasons don't want to do??......'

- The Poles have no choice. Do you get this, pal? I wish it happened to you. Besides, the door to better career jobs is often closed to the Poles, even though it is open e.g. to folks from the Third World. That's the 'human rights' laws you've got.

The Poles work on sh*tty jobs, get paid sh*t, are exploited without mercy, and still are being disliked and blamed by the local population.

So folks like you complain about the Poles, because your BBCs, ITVs, and similar brainwashing pathological hateful liars and psychos keep the Poles in the spotlight while keeping quiet about those others.

The Poles take the jobs types like you don't want to take, but you're still unhappy and still attacking the Poles - only the Poles of all the others, as you're too cowardly to attack Africans, Arabs, Asiatics, Russkies, even though there are way more of them in your precious little land than Poles, and they don't work half as good as us.

I know how the Poles and others work, as I lived in UK for some time and had my experiences with both.

You deserve to disappear in the Arab, African and Asiatic masses that invade you quietly with the help of your media psychopaths.

If there's God, I hope he'll pay back to you and others like you as you for what you're doing to us.

UK, Ireland / English people attitude towards Poles? [761]

Daffy, the question wasn't if you're proud of being called a 'Celt,' but if you'd be happy if the generic term 'Celts' were used as a generic term in a negative context.

Imagine a situation where the Scots have done something wrong, but the press hacks report that it's the 'Celts' who have done it. Wouldn't you demand that the hacks mentioned the culprits by their specific nationality, and not by a generic term?

No, the press hacks don't use the term 'East Europeans' out of ignorance; they know what they're doing when they use it. - Namely, they use it as a synonym for the Poles, and in order to avoid branding negatively other 'East European' folks than the Poles.

Max payne writes: 'It is understandable that people in everyday speech use those blanket terms, they are not expected to know many differences between EE cultures. But journalists should do better.'

- Do you mean it's understandable that people in the EU don't know that there are nations in the EU such as Poles, Slovaks, Lithuanians? Is it understandable that those people don't know the difference between them?

Would it be understandable if people did not know the difference between e.g. Swedes and Finns?

The use of the misleading generic terms comes from the media psychopaths.

News / POLISH LITTLE GIRL SHOT DEAD BY AN ITALIAN [104]

Ukipoland, do you mean that my posting about the murder in Italy is tiring and not interesting to you?

History / Jews...and their Polish experience [520]

How about the Poles killed by the Jews during WWII?

Take the village of Koniuchy where the whole population, a few hundred men, women and children, were murdered by the Jews- 'partisans'?

According to Norman Finkelstein, when somebody remarked to the famous Jewish writer (but plagiarist and con artist) Jerzy Kosinski that the Poles had done little to help the Jews during WWII, Kosinski (who by that time, i.e. shortly before his suicide, seemed to feel some remorse about his slandering Poles in his book 'The Painted Bird') asked snappingly what the Jews had done to help the Poles?

Jerzy Kosinski should've known better. - He and his parents spent the war protected by Polish villagers, whom young Kosinski later villified in The Painted Bird. And reportedly his father, who after the Russian 'liberation ' joined the Soviet 'security' apparatus murdering Polish patriots, helped arrest and ship to Siberia the very Polish man who had hid him from the Germans.

Sparrow, what do you mean by 'western history books'?
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Great posting, Matyjasz.

News / POLISH LITTLE GIRL SHOT DEAD BY AN ITALIAN [104]

Bubba, you have taken Fisz's sentence from another topic and posted it under this topic, trying to create the false impression that Fisz wrote the sentence in this topic.

News / POLISH LITTLE GIRL SHOT DEAD BY AN ITALIAN [104]

Shopgirl, does the quote prove that I seem to think that everybody is after Polish people?

In what way?

Do I mention everybody in the quote, or just Americans?

Did I really apologize for the quote?

Where? :)

Hm, what I encounter on this board is relentless negative branding of Poland and Poles by many participants.

And it seems to upset them when a Pole tries to break their stereotyping.

This negative attitude takes me aback and makes me think: Why don't you call this 'Anti-Polish Forum'?

In this thread, only Fish has posted a well-balanced and rational reply to my posting.

News / POLISH LITTLE GIRL SHOT DEAD BY AN ITALIAN [104]

Miranda, what evidence do you have that I 'seem to think that everybody is after Polish people and after' me you when there is a slight differance in opinions' [sic]? Give pertinent quotes, postings. Did I ever write or suggest that the whole world is against us and me? Where?

Re: 'Not everybody is the same and that's why this is called forum.' - does your, er, tolerance also extend to my modest person? I wonder.

Re: 'It's for exchanging opinions, not for fighting, calling people names.' - What do you mean by fighting? Do you mean that I fight here instead of discussing? Prove it. As for name calling, have I done it? If I did, was I the only one to have done it?

Re: 'I have never called you names yet. It's not my style.' - You can call me any names, but expect that I'll reply in kind.

Re:'I told you off - but you deserved it a 100%.' - What incident do you mean?

re: UPA. You seem to be very cold-hearted towards Poland and Poles. I wonder if it's your Ukrainian background.

History / Jews...and their Polish experience [520]

Frank, I know you will make up your mind, and I respect that.
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News / POLISH LITTLE GIRL SHOT DEAD BY AN ITALIAN [104]

In other words, miranda, you say that you can scribble what you please and not be accountable for the content of your scribbling?

And yes, opinions can be proved and disproved, in that any opinion contains a message that can be judged as either true or untrue.

There's no escape from this principle, I am sorry to communicate to you.

I'll be calling on your BS as long as I remain in this forum.
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News / POLISH LITTLE GIRL SHOT DEAD BY AN ITALIAN [104]

Daffy, so you can't prove that I incite to hatred against Italians when I write: ''Isn't it high time for us Poles to start defending ourselves energetically against the Polonophobic racists, cowards, fascists and killers of our children?', I incite to hatred against all Italians' ?

Aren't you a liar, Daffy?

News / POLISH LITTLE GIRL SHOT DEAD BY AN ITALIAN [104]

Espana, if being a good boy means not complaining when my countrymen are being mistreated and my country put down, then I don't want to be a good boy.

By the way, you yourself defended very vigorously Spain's honour when you had the perception that I was tarnishing it, didn't you?

Were you a bad boy then too?

History / Jews...and their Polish experience [520]

Frank, no kidding that when a group has been hatefully branded for a hundred years, it's 'an extremely sensitive issue' to its members. We have been branded by the Jewish people in the most hateful way imaginable as Jew-haters; at the same time their horrific crimes against the Poles have been played down by them and their allies.

Do you want to learn about the Jewish racism against the Poles, Frank?

News / POLISH LITTLE GIRL SHOT DEAD BY AN ITALIAN [104]

Well, miranda, any person, and especially an educated person (that you suggest you are) ought to be able to prove the validity of what they state. Hence no, I won't abstain from asking you for a proof of your assertion that I 'hate people who have a different opiniopn [SIC - P.] than' I.

Prove this and also your assertion that I'm paranoid.

No, you don't care at all about people being killed; your posting where you postulate that the nationality of the victim should not be mentioned is proof of this.

Oops, miranda. Prove as well that I'm being impolite.

Daffy, so when I write: 'Isn't it high time for us Poles to start defending ourselves energetically against the Polonophobic racists, cowards, fascists and killers of our children?', I incite to hatred against all Italians?

How?

News / POLISH LITTLE GIRL SHOT DEAD BY AN ITALIAN [104]

Daffy, you hamper any normal discussion in this thread by answering for others.

It's as though you've been trying to prevent any matter-of-fact exchange on the murder of the Polish girl.

Prove that I incite to hatred against Italians.

Meanwhile yourself seem to incite contempt and hostility towards the Polish people by denying them the right to defend themselves when abused, playing down murders committed against them, and even denying us the right to express our feelings about the abuses leveled at us.

All in a 'Polish Forum.'

News / POLISH LITTLE GIRL SHOT DEAD BY AN ITALIAN [104]

Daffy, why wouldn't you allow the people I'm addressing my questions to, e.g. miranda, patrycja, answer them?

Why do you keep on answering my questions put up to them?

Are they and you the same person?

By the way, when do you answer my question re your allegation that I practice (?) some extremely bad vigilantism and incite hatred between nations?

News / POLISH LITTLE GIRL SHOT DEAD BY AN ITALIAN [104]

Patrycja, you seem to have repeated numerous times that I've been twisting somebody's words. Prove I have. Otherwise, it can be justifiably said that its you who are twisting my words.

Miranda, there are some who care very much - me included.

Save us God from 'Poles' such as 'miranda.'

News / POLISH LITTLE GIRL SHOT DEAD BY AN ITALIAN [104]

Miranda, give the url of the alleged 'polishnews' articles.

Hm, I wonder if the UPA beasts would appreciate miranda's assertion that it's not specific people, but 'deciding factors' that murder others?
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