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No the problem is that you keep spouting increasingly offensive gibberish when people ridicule your uneducated views on virtually every matter you touch.


Why? Because its your opinion? Just because you keep producing nonsence doesnt mean people have to humor you, if you act like an idiot be prepared to being treated as one.

Ps. Poland is a country of 38 something milion people so your statement about "millions leaving" is well... stupid?

Of course there's actually pros to people leaving Poland, decreased unemployement, increased flow of cash sent back to Poland and many of them will eventually return but you're happily unaware of anything remotely connected to actuall facts :)))

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The thing is Sean you're a Westerner, when i tell my friends from Germany or UK "you dont know shite about Russians" they laugh, you guys are absolutely clueless as to how Russian minds work.

While its true that there's reasonable Russians Russia is a place which grew up in completely different reality, for you these people might as well come from Mars.


Seriously Crow what can Poland gain on an alliance with Serbia?

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Sorry IS that was totally my mistake.

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Yes and i debunked your website as biased and unreliable with several sources, as basic as wikipedia or as advanced as works on archeology but you still clinged to your silly little opinions :))

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Milions of Poles! You do realise you humiliate yourself with every such post? :)))

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I'm calling Serbs idiots, not incompetents like our former goverment, just primitive idiots, barring some exceptions their nation and their goverment wouldnt be out of place in some craphole in Africa fighting the angry ******* over who owns their god forsaken land.

However i'm saying thay military intervention, wiping out armed opposition and putting Albanians into place by aiming a tank at their house was completely justified and reasonable, what they did afterwards was not.


If the majority of Serbs are as stupid as Crow and their policies and politics indicate so then i'm obviously not supporting them, and i'm opposed to your biased outlook, Poland fell out of German initiative, many of the "German" lands were taken by force in one period or another and as such our situation with Germany is completely incomparable to the Balkan crap.

The Poland that you cry so much over in the Versaille treaty seized to exist due to your actions so i find it extremely insolent that you quote a treaty that ressurects a country that Germany was instrumental in destroying in the first place.

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And still much worse off than Poland since you've been losing kids since the 70s, Polish negative trend is neither as long or dramatic relative to its size so while it will affect us it will absolutely devastate your economy.

As for your pretty myths for why you would like WW2 to have started we can do it in a separate topic since people will flock to the topic and it will end up where it always does, you sticking to Versailles, Poles sticking to the facts and everyone agreeing on not agreeing, whatever happened stays happened and i'm seriously going to puke if i have to discuss this particular topic.


Lovely how it only says "dovetailed into ethnic conflict" and doesnt cover the details of what Albanians did to Serbs, of course Serbian responce was absolutely clumsy and they've shot themselves in the foot by commiting genocide but military intervention alone was fully justified.

Recently we had Solomon post some provocative shite on Switzerlands anti-German position, now imagine that the Swiss start carting off their German citizens into the woods, burning them in barns and such and tell me Germany wouldnt invade.

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I have no idea what exactly will happen but i can make a reasonable prognosis based on the fact that for example your country is facing an absolutely drastic decline, you will lose over 20 milion people within about forty years.


Quite a big one, Germany would start a war anyway, the fabrication of reasons shows that that Germany was already on the edge and needed justification for an already existing mindset, Serbia was pushed to the edge by Albanians and lack of appropriate reaction of the international community.


Given that Germany rose to prominence through Polands downfall i'd say that not only did you create the Polish problem, you ARE the problem, of course we're partly to blame but thats a huge topic in itself.


Hopefully not, i'd much prefer Germans, after a generation or two you blend in just fine.

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Again i'm amused to see comments by a guy who's about to have between 8 and 15% of his citizens being Turks within the next 43 years.


Germans felt exactly the same about gas chambers and a lot of differnet things, just because your nation was a barbaric disfunctional pile of crap doesnt make it comparable to people who had reasonable issues but solved them in unreasonable ways.

Germany always made up problems or created them in order to "solve" them later on, Serbia didnt create the issue, it just attempted to solve it.


No, i can be offensive, you can be offensive, he's just a retard, there's a level of stupidity that cannot be offensive no matter how much they try.


The only one taking crow seriously is crow himself.


Hard facts BB, we have a war of cultures between us and muslims/Turks, in the future when Europe gets older and they get more agressive the issue will become burning, read up on German demographics, the most optimistic ones estimate that by 2100 there will be 50% Germans of Turkish descent, by 2050 Turks will make up between 8 and 15% of your population and eventually something will have to be done, you should know best that Turkish presence is not in Germanys best interest.

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Well America is pretty high up there next to China and Iran, personally i'm torn between Iran which while a backwards shitehole doenst invade anyone or Israel who made a country on other peoples land and US which invades oil rich countries on ********* reason, still dont know which is worse.

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While i agree that Crows posts are worthless rubbish the same could be said about you, all you did was make stuff up to fit your own silly views, just like crow:)


Again a cheerfully ignorant post, while a contested province Serbs had a pretty good claim to it and they definitely had reasons for military intervention given that their countrymen were subject to heavy repressions, its the genocide that Serbs later commited that sheds negative light on them not intervention as such.

Media never getting into uncomfortable historical details feeds uneducated retards like you opinions rather then fact and then you go into public and humiliate yourself repeating it, go read up on history of the Kosovo and how heavily contested it was, its not a simple case of invading your neighbour, you sound even stupider then crow, at least he doesnt try to be offensive.

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That means that we need to wipe out entire Middle East Israel included :-)

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I never said it was always Polish, please dont lie:) I merely said that it was built by Poles and inhabited by a Polish majority for over six centuries, i also provided sources both historical and archeological while you provided some propaganda pamphlet which served us selective history:))


If you scroll the topic backwards you will see that i've provided reliable sources and commented on how biased your source text was.

Not only was it German which means its a side in a dispute but it ignored virtually every historical period where Gdańsk was dominated by Poles and the confirmed archeologica fact that we built it.


Its ok freebird you're just a biased uneducated redneck i'd never suspect you of communism, or maybe?:)))

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Whats your point? UK, France and Germany got where they are because of the Marshalls Plan so its not like Western Europe is so developed on its merry own, it still doesnt change the fact that we pulled miracles out of our ass foreign aid or not.

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What would you fight Poland with Nathan? Foul language? Oh wait i forgot Ukraine is strong, would you like to know how much money you spend on your strong military annualy?:)

Messing with your misplaced sense of national pride asside that only further proves my point how utterly helpless your country is at present.

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What does personal achievement have to do with our discussion and the fact that you humiliated yourself with a childish reaction when confronted with historical sources that highlited your bias and ignorance?:)


In communist Poland Poles humiliate YOU:))))

Hail zombie Lenin!


But thinking about what? We've been discussing city of Gdańsk, when you were presented archeological and chronologican evidence you started trowing communists around.

Initially i was thinking you were prejudiced like Harry or Sjam, people who come here to insult all things Polish to feed their bias but you're just bloody daft mate:))

The funniest part is that making you look stupid makes me a communist :)))

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No but i'm reading your uneducated redneck posts which is enough to call you stupid, notice i'm not calling you an idiot or a moron which would be an insult, i'm just calling you stupid and uneducated, you've been given historical facts and sources and your answer was "LOLcommunisthistoryOMGROTFLcommies!!!" so yeah, you're captain stupid:)


I will definitely be learning for the rest of my life, as for personal achievements they're completely pointless, for all you know i could be a plumber or a history major, the point is that for all your achievements your responce when you were forced to conceed that you're stereotyping was bloody daft :))


First of all while you're a typical American and god knows thats an insult in itself just disagreeing with you on your silly stereotypes doesnt make me communist and for ruining reputation, reread your post and see who's rep is being wrecked:-)

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Welllllllll annexing your country, enslaving your people and making you work on our farms as feudal peasants would be nice, except i dont have a field ...


Oh come on, a few centuries of pacification and serfdom and you guys are so bitter, look at all the great things we introduced Ukraine to! Siege, impaling, heavy cavalry charge, artillery barrage, serfdom!

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USA, EU, of course i agree it may happen that Poland will be abandoned like in 1939 but its not that likely and even our domestic military strength is levels above yours, the point is that we're currently in a much better position and we have the means to put you in a much more secure spot as well.


If its not then i'm rather sorry for you, at this point you need allies, you cant afford isolationistic policies.


Janukowycz, Tymoszenko, Russia :)))


Except at this moment you're unable to achieve it on your own.


I'm not arrogant i'm realistic.

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So could you tell me exactly what are the disagreements between Ukraine and Poland and Lithuania and Poland ,captain stupid?:)))

As for Germany - Britain it has always been a big thing since Germany aims for domination and Britain for counterbalances :)))

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Though in the future it wouldnt hurt but having democratic neighbours is a start :)

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I asked you a question Nathan, your country is absolutely alone in Europe, no one will support you in case of Russian agression, no one except Poland is interested in the very existence of your state, who do you think will come help you against Russia or agressive EU economy?


Call it how you want, the fact is its in our Polish interest to see you survive and grow strong however we can manage without Ukraine, Ukraine cannot continue to exist as it is currently without substantial Polish support in the future.


Who the hell says we're saviors of the world, in any alliance Poland would lead through more dynamic culture and more powerfull economy but still an alliance with Ukraine is good business for us and an absolute neccesity for you, if you want to avoid utter marginalization and domination by Russia.


Our countries have no conflictint interests so yes, the problem is severe underdevelopment of Ukraine and your national sentiments.

You're a weak and poor country without any major supporter and with a neighbour who wants to dominate you, looking for friends should be your major priority.


No Nathan, an alliance with Russia would most likely end with you losing large parts of your country and having your economy drained leaving your country a 3rd world ruin, an alliance with Poland means economic ties, international recognition and significant leverage in defence of your interests on the international arena, a potential alliance with Poland can grant you things you could never have on your own and in exchange we get cheap labor force that can be easily polonised, a close military and economical partner.

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Sarcasm aside tell me what country besides Poland has benevolent interests associated with Ukraine?

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Your second name is "everybody"? :P

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He's not alone, the West would love to forget you exist, that Poland you hate so much prevents that.


Thats your issue, Poland will keep rolling without Ukraine, Ukraine will not continue to be sovereign without Poland, we have a lot less to lose than you if our future relations fail.


What important partnerships? European Union doesnt even want you in, Belarus is too deep with Russia and Russia itself wants you as its pawn, so apart from Poland who's going to reach out to you?


Your petty sarcasm aside improved relations with Ukraine would be great, while we are a key to your sovereign existence you are our key to international power but like i said you're a nation thats seriously underdeveloped in more ways then one and sadly you're not growing up anytime soon.

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You have absolutely no tools to oppose Russia, many of Western politicians like Romano Prodi dont even consider you a part of European community, without Polish promotion the question of Ukraine in EU would never even arise, national pride or not alone you're absolutely defensless and without Poland you are alone.


Thats the good part, while i'm baiting you here on the forums Poland doesnt want to take anything from Ukraine, sooner or later you will be forced to come clean with UPA issue but thats a minor thing, Poland and Ukraine do not have conflicting interests yet we both have very similar ones, the problem here is that you're an inherently unstable country and at the moment not suitable for closer relations.


Buddy, if history is any indicator and we were really an enemy then your country might have become somewhat territorialy leaner, Ukraine as such has virtually no serious relationships, Poland has twice your GDP, three times your military spending, about ten times as much international leverage and we want strong Ukraine because its in our best interest, if you people were smart you'd learn to love us as the third best thing after sex and vodka since we are THE key to your national well being.


Actually you do, if only because no one else will support you and alone you're too weak to oppose Russia and even you Nathan should know by now that any "alliance" with Russia at best going to wreck your country, at worst make you lose half of it.

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Sean Poles wanted freedom, they craved freedom, it was one of our most principal basic national themes, thats why noble democracy happened, thats why first democratic constitution happened, in Poland any movement that aimed to limit or take away peoples freedom was absolutely impossible regardless of people trying to sell it, the only way you could install it was with an army backing you, which has happened.


Since you're so keen about facts, UPA murdered women and children, after the war when Poland could and did concentrate its military effort on UPA your wannabe SS fighters got squashed within weeks via operation Wisła, i'd appreciate if you didnt ll our women and children "scum" since they were primary UPA victims.


You're weak, militarily, politically and economically, Russia wants to dominate you, Western Europe doesnt give a shite about you, whether you like it or not Poland is the only country that can save you from becoming a Russian province or a backwater poverty stricken craphole on the outskirts of Europe.

Poland is possibly the only political option that can save and preserve Ukrainian sovereignty.

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Of course not but we definitely had our moments more than Germany and defnitely more than Russia who's history is basically one epic account of how barbaric human beings can become given right conditions.

We saved Austria and by extention other German countries from Turkey, we refused to wipe out the monastic state of Teutonic Knights, we were the first country in Europe to instill democracy (even if only noble) and religious tolerance, of course there were black marks here and there but our history was always more humane and liberal than German or Russian (or for the fact most European countries).

Remember that when you guys butchered each other in religious wars we accepted everyone regardless of religion, thats a pretty stark contrast woulnt you say?


Why? We rarely used military strength to destroy our enemies only to defeat them, if we were truly such cold hypocrits you wouldnt be living in a strong wealthy Germany because Prussia would get wiped out when it was still called the Teutonic Order, Germany is what it is because we were humane and forgiving almost at all times, even when a bit of bloodthirsty genocide would greatly improve our safety (still talking bout the teutons not Germany at large).

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ZIMMY
No, the topic is about Russia and her issues, if you want a specific discussion create a thread.

Or not.

Basically Czechoslovakia had historical claims while Poles were a majority in the region, the Czechs made a mistake at attempting to solve the issue via invasion while Poles were weakened during their conflicts with Russia that was a direct reason why Poland would later reclaim the territory via military force.

The only unfortunate part is that it was done in concert with Hitler, of course Poles were completely unaware of Hitlers full intentions so any accusations of aiding Hitler are completely moot.

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What the fock Sean? Bataliony Chłopskie and communists were a small minority in 1945, how would communism hated by 90% of all Poles and associated with Russia taken hold without the Red Army? Please just stop writing.