News / Nazism in Poland - A recipe for mass suicide? [176]

re: some germans died saving people

- Really? How many? Give examples.

re: they also fell Victim to the reich

- Really? And what do you specfically mean by that? And so they all are victims after all? And who was that guy 'reich' they fell victim to?

Hm, according to patrycja's 'logic' there are only victims in the world. And the germans (who practically in 100 % backed hitler) are victims too. - It's very much what some neo-Nazis say, by the way.

re: I understand your strong feelings towards those who truly are out to harm others..

- Do you, indeed? And yet you flirt with and defend one of them on this very forum. That's because of the simlarity of your ideologies, isnt it?

re: Sheer stupidity

- I wish you pondered over whether these words have any application to yourself.

re: I dont ask you to read my threads and post to them

- Your posts are public phenomena. I have the right to react to them - to read them and reply to them, without your request to do or not to do that.

A few of them have been leveled at me. Including the one where you complain about my not replying to your posts and your being 'neglected' by moi.

Now isn't that a negative attention-seeking?
:)

News / Nazism in Poland - A recipe for mass suicide? [176]

Shopgal, I'm referring to butty, of course. I'm replying to his scribbling.

Why would I reply like that to you, hon?

I also didnt mean its you who deem me an attention-seeker. I meant patrycja (she is a negative attention-seeker big time).

All the best. Ive gotta go now; my time limit for the internet today has been used. Now back to work.

See you soon.
:)

News / Nazism in Poland - A recipe for mass suicide? [176]

re: That's why they are whining so much....

- No, we are not whining. In reality, we try to oppose the vicious german propaganda of twisting around history and portraying the germans as the victims in order to build up such a mass percepton when it will be possible for them to try to grab our territory eventually.

In realty, its the germans like you (and there are great many of them) who are whining indignantly - whining vitriolic historical lies and hoping they will get away wth that because they are strong.

What stupidity.

See who is the real troublemaker in Europe?

As always.

News / Father Rydzyk: Any comments? [28]

A type by the nick of slwkk scribbles hatefully:

'Yeah, Rydzyk should be arrested, then send to africa or somewhere to help poor children, his radio/tv/gazette/school should be closed.'

- Puzzler asks: What exactly should Father Rydzyk (yes - Father Rydzyk for you)
be arrested for? What crime did he commit allegedly? Why should the - allegedly his - media should be 'closed'?

re: Ok, now let's back to reality...

- You mean what you scribbled above is divorced from reality? You are dead right about that, as far as I'm concerned. :)

re:this guy is so powerful that he can do anything he likes.

- Do you mean that Father Rydzyk can get away with any evil? If yes, what facts do you base this opinion on? What specific evil things has Father Rydzyk allegedly done so far? List even one of them.

Hm, and what about if Father Rydzyk hasn't been proven to be in conflict wth the law simply because he has never done anything unlawful?

What about if all the bad rumour about him is the creation of slanderers and hate-mongers, such as yourself?

re: It's a big shame to Poland, but what can we do?

- What exactly is allegedly such a 'big shame to Poland' and why?

You show yourself to be really in favour of pluralism of opinion and freedom of speech, pal.

In the Orwellian sense, of course.

Let me guess your background. - Commie? The SB connection?

re: even though I am Polish-American, I still get Polish spelling wrong sometimes...please correct if needed...

- Hm, so you can't spell on your own, only need help with that? You can't even rewrite correctly?

What does this say about your intelligence, Joe?

How deep-embedded seem to be in the American (and not only American) psyche the racist convictions about Polish culture.

One would expect that Polish Americans should have overcome this evil stuff by now.

But its a vain hope, it appears.

Shame on you guys... if you can feel shame at all.

News / Nazism in Poland - A recipe for mass suicide? [176]

Thanks Eurola and Kaczor. I don't mind ye being my groupie, Eurola. ;)
Yeah, the chutzpah of the germans is so awful today that I have thought it doesn't need being pointed at to some (I don't mean you). But then again the germans have always been so - first they attack somebody aggressively, and when they get beaten up, they portray themselves as the victim. And they have always been careful not to offend the stronger, only the weaker. That's why today they are 'respectful' towards e.g. the Russians and Brits, but they vilify the Poles. We're the scapegoats on whom to vent all the frustrations and inferiority complexes. (Anyhow, racism and contempt towards us are deeply, hopelessly deeply-embedded in german culture; its enough to read e.g. such Max Weber or even Thomas Mann, and recently Gunther GraSS, the ex-Waffen SS-man awarded the Nobel n literature) But if, say, Britain got weak, then, in all the probability, the germans would start vilifying her beyond measure and e.g. demand, yes, reparations for the alleged Brit offences towards the germans, such as the Allied - totally justified - bombings of german cities during WWII.

Yeah, our Maciej Giertych is right by suggesting that the pig-headed Merkel resembles Hitler a lot. By the way, Merkle once suggested that her much admired historical figure is the 18th century Muscovy ruler called in English Catherine the Great (she was german).

Will we see yet Merkel grunting threateningly from from her throne in the Kremlin?
;)

Life / Will Poland become like the UK ? [93]

re: i dont come here for live in a consul house and cheat like this african and asians who want everything for free

- Wow, espana, I have always thought you are for their coming to and settling in Europe, especially Spain. I remember that when I expressed my compasson for the Spanish, including the Spanish immigration authorites, who must put up with the tremendous arrogance of some of the sneakers-in, especially Arabs, you had an outburst at me and slammed my country - Poland - as an alleged 'mess.' And now you seem not to apprecate those Asiatics and Africans.... What made you change your attitude?

re: a bigot!!!!

- Do you really regard yourself as one? How Socratic of ye.
;)
PS. I'm just kidding. How are you? Always nice to talk to you.

Life / Will Poland become like the UK ? [93]

re: i think if people from poland go to uk and other places . in a few years poland will look like what is england now......full of asians ,africans ....and more ,more more more .....then dont complain if you are doing this now

- Well, but you are -at least you allege so - a foreigner yourself, living in the UK. There are scores of folks from your country living there too. I would think there are more of them in the UK than Poles. Isnt it, therefore, well, a bit bigoted on your part to complain about Poles coming to the UK? Who do you think YOU are, espana?

;)

News / Nazism in Poland - A recipe for mass suicide? [176]

Shopgirl, what why?

Shopgirl, sweety, I'll write soon to a certain sweet chic from US. :) Ive got to - absolutely must - sort out some stuff first. All the best hon. :)

News / Nazism in Poland - A recipe for mass suicide? [176]

Actually, what butburst scribbles on this forum is Nazi rubbish. Yes, he is careful not to scribble anything aganst the Jews, because this could get him into jail in his fourth reich; but what he scribbles about Poland and Poles is neo-Nazi, xenophobic, and racist german crap, for which, by the way, he would never be prosecuted in his reich. And if some folks don't notice that or refuse to notice that, what does it say about them? Lack of empathy, among others, perhaps?

By the way, neo-Nazsm is alive also in Poland, but not among the Poles, only among part of Silesians - those of them with separatistic pro-german tendencies (supported and controlled, no doubt, by the german secret service). E.g. the football fans of the Ruch Chorzow club are neo-nazi hooligans, who attack Polish fans and scream Polonophobic, pro-german insults at them. Just recently they had their march in Katowice (the oh so intolerant Polish authorities gave them permission to do it), and members of german xenophobic and Polonophobic organisations from germany partcipated in the march too. Have you heard about it, boobba? If yes, do you think it was funny? How would like it if some Anglophobic British separatists, along with their foreign guests, e.g. from germany, carried out such a march in, say, Birmingham, screaming anti-English abuses and beating up the English onlookers?

By the way, I have never heard about any anti-german march of Poles in germany. The german authorities would never give their go-ahead for it in the first place.

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

How about grabbing the rest of so-called Eastern Europe, e.g. Czechoslovakia, Hungary (e.g. 1956 - they love you there for that)?

How about invading Finland?

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

re: Could you remind me some Russian attacks on the other states exept Poland?

- Are you kidding? What chutzpah indeed. - How about the Caucasus? How about the Baltic states? How about Afghanistan? How about war-mongering abroad - in Africa, South America, Asia during communism?

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

re: We just want to cut US claims to interfer in Europe life

- Do want it to your heart's (dis)content. But you're too weak, poor muzhiks, to make your desires get fulfilled. The Yanks have beat you up in the Cold War and they actually have you under their heal now. You're no match to them any more and never shall be. They won't allow you to grow overly strong any more. It's what they did with the Germans having won WWII.

It's you, Russkies, who are the losers this time. You can only whine, rattle your outdated sabres, and try to annoy the Yanks by associating with the likes of the Chinese. But you cant do any real harm to the Yanks. You don't have one hundreth of their genius. Youre just plain stupid compared to them. When the world gets to understand this clearly, every one will laugh at you.

:)

re: And who profited from all the "good" that was spread?

- Great bright queston, hon! Right on the money hon! - The reply is: nothing, nichs, neetschevo.

Thats the difference between the Russkies and Americans: where the latter come, in spite of some harm, everybody benefits eventually. Where the Russkies come, nobody benefits, including themselves.

Isnt it stupidity? - and these folks are arrogant enough to dream of outdoing the Americans.

Dream on, teddy bear.
:)

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

re: So, Russians were forced to interfere in Polish affairs to prevent consequences of polish giddiness

- Da, da, every time the Russkies invade somebody, they give the same reason: we came for your good. The reply is: let us care for our good, take your dirty paws away from us we dont need you.

re: We never want your lands or your poor peasants

- Then why you sat on our backs for 200 years? :)

re 'poor peasants.'

- Sez who?! :))))))

re: but we never want to face with the fact that this " treasures" will be in the hands of Germans

- This 'treasure' will be where it wants to be, its not your shootty affair. It may be even with the Germans. In spite of their stupid racism, they have never treated us as terribly as you have. You have been thousand times worse invaders than them, also as regards your nvasion of Germany and the way you treated their women. Only an utter beast does things like that. Your commie crimes are thousand times worse than the Nazi crimes.

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

re: Not Russians but your own unruly gentry

- Yep, our 'unruly gentry' partitioned Poland together with the Germans n the late 1700s and kept us off the map until 1918. :)

Is it what they taught you in your Soviet schools too?
:)

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

re: our history books drummed into our heads that Tadeush Kostusko was a hero not only for Poles but even for Russians and that Polish uprisings in XIX was a good acts... ravings of a madman...

- You mean Soviet history books depicted it so? Yes the Soviets depicted the tsars and tsarism (which they had overthrown) as oppressive to many nations. It was actually true, but did not prevent the Soviets from oppressing peoples even worse than the tsar had done. From the Soviet viewpoint, the Kosciuszko uprising aganst the Russian occupiers was good for both Poles and Russians. But from your viewpoint its 'ravings of a madman?'

:)

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

re: hate is a fate of losers

- Only if it does one harm, that is, when it is not let go eventually.

Well, and human affairs show that Fate works in such a way that losers become winners, often without any effort on their part.

That's what the great Leo Tolstoy mentions somewhere, doesn't he?
:)
By the way, the Russians are incomparably less prejudiced towards us than the Germans. The Russians don't consider us inferior to them. That's something.

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

re: it was russia which reesteblished Polish state in 1945 !!!

- Its nothing to be proud of. You screwed us for ages by forcing us to take in a chunk of Germany. Then durng communism you blackmailed us that if we don't stick with you, the Germans would invade us to grab their land back.

How many divisions you kept in East Germany, on the West German border?

Come on, Kostia, be honest about it.
:)

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

re: I just want to say, that we like our Polish brothers with some sort of perverted feel of love

- I suspect we feel something similar towards you - but without the desire to rule you, ever. I think we would feel more comfortable with you than with the Germans (although I wish we were on better terms with them - don't know if it'll ever happen).

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

re: To sat "hordes" you must realize

- Thats how they have been called frequently in the English language. Would you accuse the English of lack of civilisation? And actually yes, Poles are very civlised people, in spite of our very negative image fabricated, among others, by you, Russkies, abroad.

re: No one should be punished for speaking their mind

- Yes, I agree. I went over the top. Which is also my free speech right to do. I haven't put her into prison, actually. And never would.

Cheers.
;)

Shopgal, I agree that Attila deserves thanks.

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

re: Dont be so self-centred

- What do you mean by 'self-centered'? You mean that your suffering is more important? If yes, well, your suffering is your own affair; it's you who inflicted it on yourselves during your 'revolution' and later. But the Katyn, among others, is what you inflicted on us. We're not you, you know?

Well, and as for us, we would gladly forget about Russia's existence. It is you, actually, who remind us about you, whenever we try to do something on our own. You seem to still think we are part of your 'country.' But it's over and all the stars seem to indicate that it's so for good.

Why don't you screw off from us and stay where and who you are? We don't need you and don't want to know anything about you. Why not otyebitsya? (I'm talking here about Russia and Russians, not about participation in this forum.)

:)

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

re: And everyone else does

- Many of them also do - some in a positive, some others in a negative way.

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

re: Ahh, it's your right, we don't care about this, but remember one thing, our hatred will be more sizzling

- We'll see. Things change; who was powerful and bullying becomes weak and trampled over by his former victims. That's what's going to happen to you, inevitably, if you're not very careful and nice to those whom you have wronged.

By the way, we're not really afraid of you, Russkies. We know you'll get yours yet. It's started, actually.
:)

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

Shopgal, I'm writng something to you n the random chat (no abuse) thread - the continuation of this stuff here, not about Russia, but the 'therapy. As it is off topic here.

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

re: yep, plenty of material for a psychoanylist

- Would it mean that Puzzler is a bit of a butthead?

If yes, well, I wouldn't deny too fervently.
;)

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

I have heard about it. Simlar to mine, the cure?

Schopenhauer was a butthead.

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

PS. Yes, it was the Russans who predominantly commtted atrocities aganst the Russians. Why then you in today allegedly democratic Russia haven't even condemned those communist killers, let alone punshed them (if they are still alve)? Why one of them - a KGB creep - rules Russia and the majority of Russians back him singlemindedly?

Would you reply (as Russian natonalists seem to have done in the past) that the human mind is too limited to comprehend Russia?

Why don't you condemn and punish those creeps for their horrific crimes?

Daisy, my flower - its been always so wth Puzzler on this forum. Yet only shopgal seemed to understand my 'therapeutical' method. Im not sure if she still does, as it is kinda straining. But ultimately healing.

Cheers, my English hon.
;)

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

re: As for "state" it was genocidal towards russians mainly.

- True. But it was predominantly Russians who committed all those atrocities against their own countrymen, weren't they?

You weren't invaded by another country, another people.

We were.

Hm, I wrote that I should never forgive the Russians, but as I speak to you, Russian guys, my adversity melts out, wehether I want it or not. :)

Maybe that's the way to get rid of adversity - talk to each other, even brutally and hatefully, let go the stuff inside?

By the way, the folks of Russian origin I encountered in America were never hostile towards me as a Pole. Especially one person was like a family member to me. But he was born in America and knew nothing about the bitter stuff between our nations.

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

Truhlei, so you mean the Russians who were murdered during communism? I've read Solzhenitsyn many times; I often reach for 'The Gulag Archpelago.' I remember reading its first American edton, and then a Polish one published in Paris by the emigre Polish

publishing house Kultura, in, if I remember it rght, 1977.

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

Truhlei, oops, your post has almost made me truhlei.... :)

What do you mean when you assert that 'politicians in Poland who insist in Katyn genocide determining play a dirty game'? What politicians (give ther names)? What 'dirty game'? Why would 'it' become a precedent for 'some xenophobic Russians' who would qualify 'mass exterminations of Russans also as genocide'? What mass exterminatons of Russians? And why regarding those mass exterminations as genocide would be something bad? If the Polish politcians are helping to qualify mass exterminations as genocide I'd say they're doing a good job, aren't they? What do some Polish politicians know and what is the main reason that they insist? Insist on what? What do you mean that Polish authorities have problems connected with xenophobia'? Any facts in this matter? Why on earth would they be glad if Russia had 'a greater extremist population'? Any facts in this matter as well?

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

re: Dzerzhinsky

- Do you mean that Dzierzynski represented Poland?

Or was he a thoroughly Russified Polonophobe?

There was another Bolshevik 'Pole' - Julian Marchlewski.

He invaded Poland with the Bolshevik hordes in 1920.

There were scores of other such Poles, e.g. those who entered Poland with the Russian Army in 1944 and then formed the commie government (protected by the Russian tanks).

We in Poland actually don't consider them Polish at all.

Perhaps just 'Polish' traitors. Our government today tries to put them and their heirs in the proper historical light.

re: Katyn is only a part of this crime. For 1937 20000 people was an every two week NKVD work

- Is it the typical Russian thinking? - 'Lyudiei u nas mnoga.' (No offense, by the way.)

Truhlei, 20000 Polish people is a lot to us Poles.