HWPiel
29 Oct 2008
History / Katyn- forgiven and forgotten? [111]
Interesting article, Celinski.
People share a misconception that a genocide cannot occur again because of World War II and international outcry - see [hawaii.edu/powerkills/PERSONAL.HTM] for some staggering numbers of genocides post-WW2.
Also, FWIW, I do appreciate the Katyń posts as it is an area that is not only next to my academic heart but one that I too feel must never be forgotten. My biggest fear is the continued white-wash of this topic in Russia and by her government, and since the rate of World War Two veterans dying off each month is a staggering 8000+ we will lose true objectivity, truth, and witnesses to this crime only to end up forgotten or celebrated by a minority like the Armenian Genocide of 1915.
Katyń is the one time I do not feel manipulative calling and crying "victim". An easy internet search at an academic website will show the numbers of the Poles that the Russians killed during September 17, 1939 to May 31, 1945, but off of the cuff I know it is equal if not greater than the NAZI-German death count.
Russians have never had any problem with killing people, even its own, which by modern accounts historian Norman Davies puts Soviet deaths of their own people (i.e., the Revolution of 1917 to the fall of communism in '89) at >55 million conservatively.
The Soviet machine is guilty of crimes against humanity, and her people victims.
Socialism, Communism, and Facism is bad; and history has proved that any of those 'options' has never worked. Even Lenin's model was change and altered by Stalin. Stailin's model replaced by Khruschev's 'Communism with a Human Face' model, and so on.
As kooky as people in the EU/world think America is... we've a splendid model based on freedom with responsibilities; strong and opininated, a true multi-party system.
Interesting article, Celinski.
People share a misconception that a genocide cannot occur again because of World War II and international outcry - see [hawaii.edu/powerkills/PERSONAL.HTM] for some staggering numbers of genocides post-WW2.
Also, FWIW, I do appreciate the Katyń posts as it is an area that is not only next to my academic heart but one that I too feel must never be forgotten. My biggest fear is the continued white-wash of this topic in Russia and by her government, and since the rate of World War Two veterans dying off each month is a staggering 8000+ we will lose true objectivity, truth, and witnesses to this crime only to end up forgotten or celebrated by a minority like the Armenian Genocide of 1915.
Katyń is the one time I do not feel manipulative calling and crying "victim". An easy internet search at an academic website will show the numbers of the Poles that the Russians killed during September 17, 1939 to May 31, 1945, but off of the cuff I know it is equal if not greater than the NAZI-German death count.
Russians have never had any problem with killing people, even its own, which by modern accounts historian Norman Davies puts Soviet deaths of their own people (i.e., the Revolution of 1917 to the fall of communism in '89) at >55 million conservatively.
The Soviet machine is guilty of crimes against humanity, and her people victims.
Socialism, Communism, and Facism is bad; and history has proved that any of those 'options' has never worked. Even Lenin's model was change and altered by Stalin. Stailin's model replaced by Khruschev's 'Communism with a Human Face' model, and so on.
As kooky as people in the EU/world think America is... we've a splendid model based on freedom with responsibilities; strong and opininated, a true multi-party system.