History / Poles and Falaise pocket - WWII [90]


Well said, what people constantly avoid when talking about the French forces in 1940 is that they were in complete disarry from being twisted in 30 different directions by the Politicians.


Not at all,I answered as fully as such a stupid question deserved,more so....


Implying I deny this occured,shame on you. Do you want the facts or the myth,facts,most jewish wealth plundered went into private hands in one form or another,sure some went to the Reichs econamy but thisawas mostly in the form of the products of forced labour. Something incidently that MILLIONS of Slavs went through,but good god,try finding much reference to that in "popular" western history...


eh? Do you imagine it was the bank of England?? Seriously,google MeFo payments,all german re armement was financied by blank check credit,no "real" money/capitol was involved .


Because you seem to think that germanys massive expansion was funded entirely by robbing poor Mrs Goldmann of her life savings(incidently probably wipped out in either the hyperinflation of the early 20s or after the wall street crash). a population % of 0.76 ,even if you do believe the Nazi propaganda that all jews were stinking rich,could not possibly have paid,in real capitol, for even a third of the armys transport.....


oops,showing your ignorence again jeep....seriously,read a couple of books instead of just cutting and pasting other peoples work from the net......a nice easy one for initiates is " The Nazis,a warning from History" by Laurence Rees,with input by Prof Ian kershaw,world renound expert on all things 3rd Reich.


Nobody knows those exact figures numbnuts,unless of course you believe in some form of a God,and then I imagine even HE lost count..


Dont you mean BABI YAR......

ho hum....

News / THOUSANDS OF YOUNG ISRAELIS FLOODING POLAND [93]

Kids are Kids.
"Walking in groups being told not to wander off..."
Well,d'oh, have you ever been responsible for a group of teenagers on a foriegn trip? Trust me,if you had you wouldnt be surprised at this reaction when youve got little Johnny/Janek or Avi in your care with their parents thousands of miles away....

Bad behaviour by Israeli tour groups? Yep,Ive witnessed it first hand. When with a group from my collage here in the UK we were astonished to see gangs of young Israelis wandering around Au'I,stammlager, drapped in their national flag! What was all that about,wasnt it blind nationalism like this that brought about death camps?

Ive also seen my students being shoved out of the way by Israeli "teachers"as they barged past us in the cellers of block 11. After which I made a point abut telling those around me that the people Gassed in here were 250 Polish catholics and 600+ Russian soldiers....

I dont even need to elaborate on the attitude of the Isrealis to our Asian students,not fear or suspision but open hate,which surprised the Hindu lad no end :)

What really pi**ed me off though was on arrivall at the Stammlager being greated off our coach by someone Shaloming us.....only one of our party was Jewish,of course British embaresment meant we all,muslim lads included Shalomed back...only later finding out the guy greating us wasnt Jewish...no wonder so many of opur students were surprised to discover the full history of auschwitz,ie pre spring 42, the avarage comment being "I didnt know that any non Jewish people were killed here....".

History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]


Aha,speaks with forked tongue and takes a line out of context,you know fine well I said with regards Danzig and the stolen german lands.....ah well,some people cant "win" through honest debate can they...got to twist and spin....

History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]


God,you got the irony...must admit ,that last was chucked in more in the spirit of Devils advocate :)

(still,one does wonder,would it have played for time enough for Poland to fully modernise its forces,would hitler have taken the northern route into the USSR,and ,if so,would Poland have become another Finland,allied to germany only for conveniance in the fight against Stalin?.....)

History / Poles and Falaise pocket - WWII [90]


Its a shame because they sure fought like tigers in Italy,mind,they werent really french ,or atleast 20 odd years later they wern't.....

History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]


Or maybe they are just REENACTORS!!! Cripes,whats so hard about this concept for people to understand? When Gene Hackman dressed up as a certain Polish general that didnt mean he was descended from Polish paras does it? The clues in the name re enACTING......:)


What,through all the mines and straight past the MASSIVE german airforce bases all along the north german coast?


Why should we have left our country open to invasion simply by throwing away our fleet in a suicide mission to the Baltic? If fighting the german navy and airforce was so simple why did YOUR fleet scarper out of the Baltic before the war started??


Why,Danzig was a GERMAN city. Why throw away British lives in a futile invasion of a city that most people knew fine well had been German until 20 years before? Just shows how clueless you are when you say things like "invade a harbour"....great grasp of strategies and tactics havnt you...........lets hope you never end up in charge of any soldiers ,theyd be dead before you finished breakfast...

Lets face it,when will Poland take responsibility for playing a huge part in causing ww2 to start with its usuall pompous attitude when it came to Danzig? Why not just give the Germans the road and rail route access between west and east prussia?

History / Poles and Falaise pocket - WWII [90]


eh??? Where are you getting your arbitary figures from? 10% of a population is still a significant number,and even if it was only 1% this would still ,plainly,be support for the nazis......


Dont try to lecture me on this jeep! I appreciatte there are areas of ww2 history you are very well versed on and any fan of "Willy and Joe" is OK by me,but,I've stood in Block 11,Ive stood in the spot of Goeths villa at Płasow,Ive walked up the stairs in a certain warehouse in Amsterdamm....Ive broken bread with veterns of the AK involved in helping local jews, a distant branch of my family survived those times,just, Ive also drunk beer with former members of the wSS as well as escorted Canadian veterens in pilgramages to holland,stood at the grave side of Polish veterens who passed away here in the UK so I think I may have an idea of what Im talking about too. I could go on much further with an almost endless list of my experiences and close relationships with particepents from almost every nation involved in the war in Europe.,but I wont as this is all heresay when it comes to the internet.

What I will say though is,before you insult the inteligence of people you do not know,stop and think before you accuse them,in a sly,sideways way of "holocaust denial" !!!

To get back directly to the point. You implied that in the early and mid 30s germanys reconstruction was funded by the theft of Jewish proparty,well,thats nice and simple but plainly untrue,and playing into the Nazi propaganda that Germany was stuffed full of Rich Jews.Yes,there were some,but,in 1933 the Jewish population in Germany was a mere 0.76%. The expansion of the German econamy in the 30s was primarily funded,as I ponted out ,by the Reichs economics minister literally printing more money to artificially re inflate the econamy...if that sounds familiar its what is going on today around the world.

Whats funny is that a british person and a german person with,and he wont mind me saying this,pretty polar opposite modern political views are saying the same thing. But,I suppose now I have said that,and also admitted to having knowingly met an old SS veteren and not stabbed him or something,infact found him a charming old boy who was conscripted at 17 and had no more choice to join than a londoner had to go down the underground in 1941...well,I must be some secret neo nazi because I dont and never have swallowed the simplistic view of this period of history as perpetuated by some people with an agenda that losts its significance in 1947....

History / Poles and Falaise pocket - WWII [90]


Your self confessed drunk tonight,go to bed,get a nice rest and come back tommorow. Dont worry,I wont hold your drunken stupidity against you,nite nite my deluded friend. Just cant stand a Brit knowing your history can ********* thinks" I cant spin the usuall mix of self pity and tub thumping propaganda with this one..." :)


Nein,mein kamarade,let me just warm up the Tiger and lets invade somewhere together. How about France ,to much hassle going east,they dont seem to appreciate our efforts to bring Kulture...;)

History / Poles and Falaise pocket - WWII [90]


As an outsider I find the highlanders seem almost venerated in some Polish circles,no problems there,I love the music myself.


Yes,but they tried and unfortunatly,when it comes to collaborators and traitors thats what counts......like BB said,all the nazis failed,they lost the war,that certainly doesnt mean the german nazis were anyless nazi.....flump.

History / Poles and Falaise pocket - WWII [90]


Yes,it did,so did the BFK, British Free Corp, that doesnt mean it didnt happen though does it,I repeat,you seem more embaresed that it was a crap unit....

History / Poles and Falaise pocket - WWII [90]


lol,proved completly wrong,even by his own countrymen and this is the mature reaction...go look at porn....oh dear,maybe if you spent less time looking at tits yourself you would spend less time looking like a tit.....

Whats the big deal anyway? Does your faith in Poland suddenly crumble now you see a few of your fellow countrymen were self serving scumbags?Wow,Id have a little more faith if I was you....I feel no personal shame for the 50 odd Brits who joined the SS,why should you for the 300 or so Poles who did?

Or does your shame come more from the fact that they were a complete f*ck up of a unit,I imagine if they had succsefully fought against the soviets while in nazi uniform you would be claiming them as true polish patriots....

History / Poles and Falaise pocket - WWII [90]

Did I say wSS,if so I appologies,no,they came under the control of the SS but were not actually "in" the wSS.

The evidence comes from Polish magazines buddy,you do the search,RP from about 2 years ago,my copy is in my other home so,if you are so indignent Im wrong,you do a quick web search in your native tongue and come back and admit your just blinkered by nationalism or Im wrong and the pretty pictures of hundreds of Gorale in german uniform being inspected by their Polish commander and some German officers is some sort of evil western propaganda.

Quite pathetic really,if any other nation in europe tried to wriggle out of this you would be the first to jump on them....why try to hide history,you know what they say about those who forget it dont you?

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Ah,thankyou my Nordic aryan brother;)You saved me a web search :)

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History / Poland and Ukraine [240]


Have to admit I saw this on RT a few days ago and did find it rather surprising.Its one thing to say allow old boys to draw a state pension but quite another to award a countries highest honors to former officers in nazi uniform.....quite badly missjudged,especially considering the Galizien Div hardly ever fought the RKKA and spent most of the war hunting partizans and ended up being sheltered in the UK after the war....weird,but then again,radioactive poisoning by the FSB probably has odd side effects on ones personality.

History / Poland and Ukraine [240]


But its not though is it S'. Last time I was in Warsaw I saw a few nazi flag stickers on walls and a couple of swastikas daubed as graffiti. Did I immediatly think all of Poland supported the neo nazis or did I just think,"well,there are idiots everywhere..".?


Again,why,get over it,all of europe lost out thanks to uncle adolfs extended gap year jaunts...why is it always money for some people? And no,I dont single out any ethnic or religious groups when I say this either.

History / Poles and Falaise pocket - WWII [90]


Thanks for the link.


Sorry, I dont use Ambrose as an accurate historical account buddy,he was a great bloke and very insightfull but in my experiance(and maybe its editing mistakes) but there are far to many glaring errors in his work to take it at face value,ie acording to him it was Gnrl Gales 6th airborne at Arnhem.....


Realy,shame there is plenty of documentry evidence including photos of unit parades to disprove your obvious embaresment at some Poles willingness to don any uniform for their own ends. Why does every other nation in Europe,freely admit their country had nazis/fellow travellers but Poland? It brings no more shame on you than the fact a few Brits joined the BFK wSS shames me....get over it and move on.No one is saying put up posters honoring these people or anything....


Partly,but mostly because they were led by extremly experianced former LSAH officers and NCOs and also had top pick of equipment.


er,pick you up on that...Nazis most certainly DID get enthusiastic support in a hell of a lot of places, the western vollunteers to the SS were just that,not conscripts but french,dutch,walloon,norge,sweddish,croation......all willing to sign on in the war against the "barbarian east and world jewry"....sad but true.

And,suppose a nazi invasion of Britain had occured,how long till Mosely and the BUF came out of the wodwork waving home made blood banners?


Nope,theyd seen industry flourishing under Hjalmer Schachts economic policies of reinflation through credit.......


Didnt need them in Vichy France,or Hungary untill the red army got too close...

Travel / 2 Dutch/Latin tourists in Poland ask 4 tips!! [12]


Ditto round here ,as jojo hinted. maybe its a londen thing that is the UK after all:)
Lots of out and proud lesbians round here though..........

UK, Ireland / What is in Poland that England doesn't have? [142]

hey,we might,Im just saying Ive only ever seen them in the katowice/krakow area not somerset or yorkshire :)

History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]

lol,I love the fact every second guy thinks he is senior corporal Steiner circa 1977


Its called re enactment irons,its not political mate,without those guys dressing up as the Hun the boys and girls who re enact the AK and WP of 39 would have no one to shoot at.


Because Im sure he means countries of the Soviet Union. Dont get your sharovari in a twist mate,its commen in the west to say "russia" when meaning the historical USSR?CCCP.

History / Poles and Falaise pocket - WWII [90]


Oh boy, it may be a fact but it will certainly be interesting seeing reactions :)


The highlanders did,or are you forgetting that. Every country in Europe had traitors in the SS,even a British unit.


More like,after months of hard fighting by units of the British US and commenwealth forces who had been fighting non stop across africa and up Italy ,a fresh unit of Poles were the ones who managed to get to the top.A position that was a shadow of the strenghth it had been when "the brits" were dying in droves under falschirmjager bullets.

It can also be argued that as the french north africans had managed to bypass cassino that they "won" the battle,but try getting arab soldiers into the history books.....


It would seem a large number were manning the machine guns over Omaha,but that will need verified,certainly many people claiming Polish citizenship were captured in nazi uniform in normandy,1st armoured openly recruited some of these.

There is no point in missplaced national pride when it comes to the war in europe,every nation involved had honorable ,brave people,as well as traitors and cowards.

News / Searching for keys in Polish-Russian relations [75]


Dont be a f*ckwit,the guy in the interveiw complaining about it is Ukrainian......most of the people interviewed on the subject were Ukrainian and were very p*ssed off at seeing the posters too.......stop stirring conflict you leach,does daddy own an arms factory or something?

History / Poland and Ukraine [240]


So,how much is a life worth then,in Dollars say? Some people dont put $ signs on human life or try to profit from historical misery unlike some others do....


Nope,a spy or informer may not carry a weapon but still be "legally" shot in wartime....

Lets face it,tit for tat about who was more beastly to who during the last war in that region is a pointless exercise.There were sick murderous f*ckers on all sides. Jews killing Poles,Poles killing Ukrainians,ukrainians killing Jews, and every f*cker taking a pop at the Roma...

UK, Ireland / What is in Poland that England doesn't have? [142]


Ive never seen a road sign warning Horse Carts not to go on motorways in Britain,and Ive traveled a hell of a lot :) I have though seen a car undertaking on the hardshoulder of the M1,and guess what plates it had????

Life / How to behave in Poland? General etiquette questions. [30]

I take it these quaint rules are for smaller towns then,my impresion of places like Warsaw go more like;
Waiting in line=What lines,remember highschool rugby scrums to get anywhere.

Buses=Sitting down= You'll be lucky. If you do manage to sit down and do see an elderly person get on dont what ever you do give up your seat untill the very last moment or some little tracksuit wearing toe wrag will take it.

Buses=Speaking in English=2 things to watch out for;1,On certain routes this is a sure fire way to invite half the youths on the bus to try to get their grubby little hands in your pocket/bag. 2,On most routes this is also seen as an open invitation for some old relic of a commie b*tch to loudly complain to all who will listen that she cant understand what you are saying,it is irelevent that you are holding a private conversation with your Polish friend.

Buses=Nuns,they travel in packs and have the sharpest elbows in Europe :)

Hand Kissing and bowing= Old people you meet will love this,anyone under 70 will think your off your head or taking the proverbial.(obviously dont kiss an old boys hand,but a polite nod of the head as you shake hands seems to go down well.)

News / Why Polish police officers have to look like dorks....? [43]


Im with you mate,Police should look like what they are,or meant to be anyway, servents of the people,protect and serve and all that,not like a bunch of bleedin paramilitries. These days cops on most city streets look more like a bunch of Serbs off on a spot of ethnic cleansing :(

USA, Canada / Polish stuff vs. American stuff [107]


A hell of a lot of the names on the credits of hollywood movies these days are Polish(and obviously native Poles not Polish American,judging by first names.) So hollywood can say thank you to Polish Film schools.

And no,giving Poland Steven Segal wasnt a fair swap!

News / Poland..wake up to a multicultural world [1059]


You delude yourself,and make up your mind,Pole or Yank.
In the areas of mass Polish immigration they or rather their numbers have been a huge problem,dont kid yourself that just because they are white there isnt serious discontent at huge numbers of non english speaking kids suddenly crowding into already overstreched schools,or health clinics suddenly full of tomeks and danutas etc. An over streched infrastructure is over streched regardless of whether some one is called Ali or Sławek.


Are you serious,you actually conceive this as an answer,mass deportations? F*ck me,what planet are you guys on,Im guessing its not just fluride they slip in your water supply........

News / Poland..wake up to a multicultural world [1059]


lol,I kinda meant in living memory,I knew you were older than me but....:)

(oh,and if you want hair splitting,technicaly the two were the same race,the Normans just being Vikings who had headed to france for the wine and women a hundred years prior to 1066 ;) )

(Oh,and the Normans built my local Church,and the hill I used to tobbogan down in winter..)

News / Poland..wake up to a multicultural world [1059]


Ditto,
Do I want my country flooded by outsiders,a mad dash of hordes of non Britains coming in via the tunnel or Victoria coach station,no I bloody dont,but the problems of immigration faced here is numbers not culture. The million + Poles turning up in less than 12 months was the biggest pain in the arse vis a vis immigration this country has ever had to put up with. As for us here in Britain maybe not being as rabidly loony racist as you folks want or expect us to be is, unlike the rest of your countries we ,actually know what we are talking about by having lived through it for 50 odd years,you guys are just cowards scared of strangers,I pity you all.


What,you mean the US Airforce?

News / Poland..wake up to a multicultural world [1059]


I dont know,you lot started it spouting cr ap that could have come straight from mein kampf,if it walks like a duck,quacks like a duck.........

News / Poland..wake up to a multicultural world [1059]


What,you mean legally sanctioned death squads? Do these "gangmembers" get a trail or do we just send in Judge Dredd? BTW,if a gangbanger pulls a gun over here the Police have all rights under law to use lethal force.


You'd be f*cked then wouldnt you? Or is this just racial abuse against po' white folks?


Agreed.


Sorry,we are not savages here,we dont have state sanctioned murder(look up your bible,thow shall not kill etc).


And I thought you Yankees loved free speach......


You really are a sick little puppy arnt you......was Grandpa in the Gestapo or what?


Who are all these people being forced to convert? Seriously,wtf are you smoking ?


You dumb schmuck,Just because good old USA is so backwards it doesnt give paid maternity leave dont think the same is here,we even have paid paternity leave in the UK. But,just goes to show,again,how illinformed you are.


You know what,for a minute I thought you were actually being serious with all the **** you spout,well all fool me. Mind,if you are serious ,f*ck me,I stayed away from saying it earlier but,jeez,you really are a f*ckin Nazi arnt you.


Nah,I doubt you've the inteligence to learn an instrument,even one with only 4 strings.....


Er,the avatar of a small cat? Sorry,dont folllow the "logic" there John Boy. Sorry,that white superiority of yours is leaving me lost here....


Those einzatzgruppen being a case in your favour then?