Love / Fidelity of Polish women [63]


Imagine what would happen if some news channel says that "the world is
IN FIDEL CASTRO's hands" :)

News / What is the future of Catholic church in Poland. [154]


Hey hey... firstly I am not an athiest... and I practice tolerance.

Catholics got a history of intolerance which might be difficult to beat my friend.

Dont just come to a conclusion ... do you have the wish to study the dark sides aswell? Do you wish to go deeper?

You didnt tell me... are you a pole? Which part of Poland? :)

Life / Religions in Poland. [64]

It is actually. The Baha'is have a very decent set of laws and idealogies. The fastest growing religion in the world... there are Polish Baha'is around aswell!

There are many aspects of this Religion which interests me. Their doctrine and relation to the other previous doctrines... philosophies and prophesies... are all a very good deal to disscuss... if you wanna... just roll the topic :D... I like studying religion... and yes... I consider this a good way of life.

News / What is the future of Catholic church in Poland. [154]


Good description. My fellow Pole (considering you are one)... you can go ahead with Catholicism ... there are people in my family who do! Ofcourse you are all free.

But the majority of people who are modern and who know how to think need more answers... more investigation...before choosing a way of life.

News / What is the future of Catholic church in Poland. [154]


Practicing Catholics :D ... even those who are, are such unpracticing that words cant describe. Try and be a Christian first and then think catholicism....

Future of the Churches are not so nice I think. Religion ofcourse should be free to choose and follow. But I think people are becoming more free and they are becoming more aware. People need a way of life adaptable to this world we live in. 2008 era! not 1 BC!

History / Why we talk about Nazis not Germans [138]

Read my Post# 34 and 36 on page 2 here dear... you will see some clips... some very important ones.

Its about my grandfather... how he saw the events that changed his life... and how I saw that fear mixed with rage and anger all over him. He couldnt tolerate the word 'Germany'.

My father ofcourse... have done business with Germans and he does think like me that this is a new generation and we must move forward with the feeling of friendship and brotherhood. But does these change the facts? History cannot be wiped out.

Germans often these days either deny or cut aside from that dirty past. But its just the fact that they have played their parts. This great Evil called hitler did awaken monsters inside most of them. A big most of them.

There are Jewish people our family knows who have lost all. Miserable and pathetic were the conditions of the survivors. They also had stories to tell in which they clearly mention how enormous and how many in numbers were the Germans 'who hated' were. Such big numbers that the good souls were hard to trace.

History / Why we talk about Nazis not Germans [138]


Yea.... but do you think that Germans were not in support of Hitler's plans as he laid in his book?

Ofcourse those who didnt support him were not in comfortable situations... but there were alot more who supported him.

Your grandmother was Polish (probably?)?.

I have some history aswell about this war...

History / Why we talk about Nazis not Germans [138]




Now we go saying 'its wasnt even the entire regime... a force just...'

Some people never realise what Hitler means to some people Luk. Myself I didnt say that 'entire germany' followed him... but most of Germany certainly and most certainly did. At the end of this battle... youth volunteered... and according to their accounts (recorded even now) they volunteered willingly to realize their dream... to show themselves that they were knights of Germanica!

Plus... drawing parallels between Soviet and Nazis is naive. Soviet means to attract people and Nazi means were very different. Hitler was actually quite clear infact... while the soviet were those who showed the most promising dreams regarding economy. Actually the soviets were never (visibly) in favour of killings or racial prejudice. Its a long read.


One of the aspects of humans which Hitler also used.

People like to weight different people differently...and themselves they always try to rescue. Maybe due to the German people being European... who knows... and ofcourse...themselves americans who had less than military losses in the war.

About Germans... they are obvious to explain that it was Hitler alone.

But then... where are we going with this argument...

Dont seem to go anywhere.

However, I disagree we shall call them German's instead of Nazis... this might not be helpful for the union of our future generation on path towards peace. But the history shouldnt be engineered for the sake of 'False Pride' of Europeanism, our whiteness, religion or any other reason.

History / Why we talk about Nazis not Germans [138]


Why? Are you not interested to be friend with Poles?

By German Solidarity I meant 'Regard to German lives and respect to their people and their soverignity'.

History / Why we talk about Nazis not Germans [138]


He was not yet a Messia... he was supposed to be.


Many of them probably went with the flow... but most of them knew through his bookand speeches about the greatness of the race... about the cursed jews...

Ofcourse there were few who went for the goodies. But what exactly 'goodies' meant to them? This my friend is not an accusation but a study. A look inside... and insight.

Evil is of many degrees. Not all are to that level which move ahead and DO. There are some who agree but like to stay away from the action... and some who will shout but not move their limbs for it... and then there are those who leap forward.

And when did I say that the ENTIRE PEOPLE OF GERMANY. I have mentioned many times my German solidarity. But I say that 'MOST GERMANS' and I will say it because that is just the way it was.

Sounds bad... because it is bad. Nothing good in it!

History / Why we talk about Nazis not Germans [138]


This is exactly what is wrong with some Germans still. Unfortunately.

I dont need to argue on this now. I have written enough and have enough solidarity for good humans.

Your 43% is a statistic which dont show much. There are many factors... young people who dont vote. Voters who dont bother to vote. Low turnouts... is not something new. Its always been there in Europe. Doesnt mean these people dont support the man.

But then... what is the use. You will not understand or recognise the effects .. the wounds. The pride is just too important.

Good luck. Have a nice day.

History / Why we talk about Nazis not Germans [138]

First of all... its not a thread to incite hatred (atleast not from my side).

What I was trying to put forward is what I have already put forward.

Hitler was overwhelmingly popular. He was loved and cherished (not a few letters... enormous amoung of letters... bulks and bulks and enormous). His promise clearly included measures which were dire (one of his main tool was his book... a book which clearly spoke about his mind, and he published is many copies for the people to read and rally).

Nothing is distorted and blown out of proportion. But just as for some people its difficult to believe that it could be THIS BAD! And I can understand that... dont blame you... its often unacceptable to the mind that people could be this bad.

News / Are Christians prosecuted in Poland (and Europe in general)? [53]


I dont think so.

In Europe we have other religion people too...other ethnicities present too. I think there needs to be secularism.

History / Why we talk about Nazis not Germans [138]


Sean... I appreciate your heart. But my friend... see at the second post, the links there have some lines of hitlers fan mails.

Its just true sean... he was BIG. Big... like a saviour of the Germanic people... The ancient promise which they saw fufilled in him. It might sound so stupid now, but its just the way it was. If everything was not stupid... so many people wouldnt have died.

My Grandfather...I remember...one I saw him shiver and cry and curse. An old man... I loved him alot (I was very young when his soul departed). His brother was taken away...

I my father recalls an old Jewish man he does business with. His father died. His father used to weep and shiver every anniversary of his (rest of the) familes death. Shiver and curse.

Cruse whom? ... Germans. Because they did behave like that... the good people were few enough to meet a few only. Not everyone was lucky to meet those few. The population...became monsters ... suddenly...in a dramatic way. In a quote taken from my grand father 'It seemed their souls were exchanged to something unseen and unheard of.. their eyes were filled with rage...all the time it was filled with ignorance and the brow showed a glimpse of pride which had never been seen before...but could be easily recognised ... '.

History / Who were European natives? What happened to them? Where they are? [79]

The Native European was a man who didnt know whats Europe. This man was running after a goose to satisfy his hunger. This native man was on a patch of land, fighting for his survival. Europe or no Europe...he needed food...he needed water....he needed shelter.

History / Why we talk about Nazis not Germans [138]


And that would be righteous.

But this same reason shouldnt be used as a tool to erase that history. Because this move will only work to freshen a scar which have been dug so deep that it might never be filled... but only lighten with alot of good work after it.

The German people of today are not our enemies. There were righteous Germans in those times aswell. But I am afraid to say that the majority of Germans were known (at that time itself) to be very (and I mean VERY) horriable to the Jews+Polish and many other nations. This simple fact cannot be erased. It will be a shame to the lives and feelings of women like Anne Frank and men like my own grandfather and his elder brother... to many Poles... to many beautiful people who lost their precious lives...and even more than just lives...in the hands of a nation's monsterous generation.


My solidarities to the Jews. I happen to have read a thread in which the disscussion was about Jewish homes in Poland. I want to say that I know a certain relative of mine who owns one. He will be ready to give it up were it ever claimed by its owner.

I dont know if all my Polish friends and neighbours would agree to my sentiments about Jews. But I step forward to say that yes, you are my brother. I dont know if you have some anger, sadness or complain over the behaviour of some of my simple kind... but I want to assure that if ever a Jew comes infront of my door on a wintry night... I will be there with a blanket and a bowl of soup. I will give shelter. And I will share...

We have so much to learn... I say this to Jews, to Germans to my fellow Poles. We have so much to learn yet. This world which we have divided with so many empty names... a land which God made one, we pulled lines and divided. We called someone less and someone more. We divided and divided further. We divided among colors... color of skin, color of hair, color of eyes etc etc etc and etc! We called one a Slav the other an Aryan another a Celt another a saxon... and then we created reasons to divide! On Religion on Race on Culture even in the name of unity we have divided!

After all the blood and sacrifice we reached an EU. A todler in the name of peace. I say we should pioneer ... we should go ahead and add nations from Asia and Nations from Africa... we should raise the standards of the world... and make peace and unity a must for nations and people.

Whether you be a German a Jew or whoever... I welcome you to Poland... when you come as a friend... or you want to be my neighbour.

History / Why we talk about Nazis not Germans [138]


It was the work is an evil genious. He knew where the evil inside was hiding...and he was successful of bringing it out. He knew about the elements of pride...or respect... or ego and ignorance...which still exist in all of us.

Just like this: The atom always existed... it was there in nature... but it needed a genious to discover its destructive powers... and make a bomb that changes the course of weaponry for Mankind. An atom... which becomes the greatest killing machine.


If you read what I wrote... you could understand better.

See... I dont need apology. I dont have the tendency of becoming angry. But there are youth who would expect a better behaviour from some German youths. Germans are hardly teaching their children about the History of WW2... which sometimes cause stirrs in the Polish and other societies.

History / Why we talk about Nazis not Germans [138]


It shouldnt be about a race. Its obviously about a generation and a nation.

I know it will surprise you (and I am known to be a very liberal and tolerant man) but its just a recognised event that most germans of that generation agreed to hitlers ideals, and adopted it as their own. They volunteered even! Old and Young! Happily...singing!... Just read the love letters that I posted (the second post of this thread).

The atrocities of Pol Pot and that of Hitler, their priciples and and actons are completely different.

However, I understand what you are speaking for. I think I agree with you.

But do also take into consideration on why such feelings are spread across.

We should rather move ahead to give these feeling a proper directions...as these feelings are here to stay! Once a pot is broken, no matter how much you glue it, the scars remain forever!

The right direction is solidarity towards those who lost their lives... and an apology my our German neighbours (decendants of those who did wrong).

To tell you the truth, many does behave so nice that its an apology in itself...others still call us names.. these things will stay. But for the sensible ones, leaving the hand of true history will bring calamities...nothing but calamities... resembling that WW2 brought after WW1

History / Why we talk about Nazis not Germans [138]


I have a simple attitude. And I am not trying to fight or make someone seem unknown to facts.


As far as I read, and heard from elders in my family... people who have been effected.... People actually wanted this to come. People in Germany (a good portion...say 70%) wanted the ideals of the Mein Kempf ... Hitler wrote and made this book his greatest propoganda tool.


Yes, but its always like that isnt it. Some will always go opposite ways. But Hitler was definately not kind with them.


When did I deny that Hitler was not the only evil. Which word was there regarding race?

Its about an even which touched us in Europe. Touched us in mainland Europe more than it did touch England or other far apart parts.

It cannot be just forgotten...or given a white wash. But yes, I agree to the fact that this shouldnt be let influence our present so much. Instead, this can help us to be careful so that next time a Hitler dont get the chance to wake up 'False Pride' of people.

History / Why we talk about Nazis not Germans [138]



I appreciate your insight and your consideration towards a section of people in our own planet.

But I request you to study more (if you are so interested) before coming to a conclusion, on why and how people supported Hitler in Germany. As far as I know, it was not just because of those simple promises.

Investigate, how a man's dreams became a nations destiny. It doesnt only need to be a good dream... sometimes how we become indulged in our lower charecteristics can also be true.

I would also take this opportunity to mention all my heartfelt support to the good efforts that Germany takes towards the world. I have many good german friends.

However, we shouldnt try to play games with history. It is just truth that Germany and Germans have been influenced by this evil. The promises were just as Hitler was realising them. It was a very bitter time.

A significant member of my family (and many other families in Poland) paid the price ... on hands of young German soldiers... the tales are terrible and long. But yes, the future is here too... and we all must walk together...but not by forgetting the past... We must recognise the truth of the past and then learn from it.

History / Why we talk about Nazis not Germans [138]


Exactly. But if you take this thread in anyway to be positive... then you could disscuss an era of influence. How people go ahead and become influenced by extreme and false views... how they later understand and suffer their mistakes...and how it effects people around them.

History is basically about this. This fact can either be used to spread contempt and hatred....or be used to learn how people in the past shaped our present.

History / Why we talk about Nazis not Germans [138]

Hitler was infact a very popular man... more popular to Germans than the German flag itself probably... take a look:

Fan mails: writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/Holocaust/love-letters-hitler.html

More Letters: haaretz.com/hasen/spages/911386.html

He was a hero... to them (untill he lost the war ofcourse... and his promise didnt materialise)

History / Are Germans going to pay for WW2? [180]


I agree.

My own family paid a price we still remember.

But then, these shouldnt be a reason for strife... but a reason which we can remember and try not to repeat it again.

The Germans can show more solidarity ... I think it will help their image... an image they might have to carry for a longer time...

Travel / Travel to PL from US w/ dual citizenship - any problems on borders? [26]


Why dont you take a visa on your american passport and travel. If you worry so much... dont use the Polish passport...

UK, Ireland / What is in Poland that England doesn't have? [142]


The snow is good... but really...does it matter if you are happy inside? :)

But yes, you have made a good point!

UK, Ireland / What is in Poland that England doesn't have? [142]


Money.

UK, Ireland / What is in Poland that England doesn't have? [142]


There are equally nicer scenic places in Poland... which caters to various different tastes. We are also a bigger country.

UK, Ireland / What is in Poland that England doesn't have? [142]


Not mine. But I am still to complete a substantial amount of time here.

My company however does allow paid leaves... that is... I have to earn these leaves :) ... by hours+hours+hours... and then I have a good amount of time.

I however have confidence on my degree.... after I get some money... and if they stop me... I am ready to leave them. In any condition I am planning to have my own business :) ...

I hope to learn Hindi and I am already learning Korean. I think these two places have high potential. I like their history and culture aswell. And ... I guess I can use my time wisely (in work) while planning for my future business.

China...I was thinking about it. But, I think its better to go for Koreans, Japanese, Indians... than to China for business (OFCOURSE I will go there for travel .. ha ha).


You will not understand then :) ... maybe you dont need to ;). If you like England more... tell us why :), it will be wonderful to have your view.

UK, Ireland / What is in Poland that England doesn't have? [142]


I have actually made a trip already... UK...France....Korea....Japan....Egypt...then back home :)

It was very nice. Beautiful places, wonderful people. I wish now to visit the rest of Europe... India... China and to the USA if possible. Yes, I will need to save some money.

Genealogy / Do I look Polish? (Part II -- Much more detail than other topic) [109]


Alien?

There was a thread on it... you can search :).... your contributions to it will be highly valued.

Dont take it as a silly joke. It is highly possible that your ancestors are from another planet who got lost in the space, and silently landed on Earth without bothering the radars.

Think about it...