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celinski   
26 Aug 2008
History / Russia tells teachers to lie to students about "Katyn" [139]

Russia is adding insult to injury once more with the verdict out how will they explaine this to the children in the future?

GAZETA WYBORCZA focuses on the interpretation of the Katyn massacre of 1940 presented in a new history textbook introduced in Russian schools.

Russia never wanted to take full responsibility for the execution of thousands of Polish army officers taken as POWs by the Soviets following the annexation of eastern Polish territories under the infamous non-aggression pact with Nazi Germany in the first days of World War Two. The newest version of this history tells Russian school children that Katyn was simply squaring accounts with Poles for the death of thousands of Russian prisoners in the Polish-Bolshevik war of 1920. As for Katyn itself, it was a Stalinist crime and Russia, as such, cannot assume responsibility for the genocide, claim top Russian politicians.

polskieradio.pl/zagranica/news/artykul90 011_Lies_about_Katyn_massacre_in_new_Russian_ school_books.html

The Circular Military Court in Moscow has adjourned until September 30 the hearing of an appeal filed by family members of the Polish officers murdered by the Soviet NKVD in 1940 in Katyn against the decision made by the Russian General Military Prosecution to dismiss the case, informs ultraconservative Nasz Dziennik daily.

polskieradio.pl/thenews/press-review/?id=89975

Katyn “deserved revenge”?

From now on, Russian pupils will be informed that some 22,000 Polish officers were indeed killed by the NKVD in Katyn in 1940, but the act was fully justified and “politically suitable”, reports a Moscow-based liberal, but pro-government daily newspaper Vremya Novostei.

polskieradio.pl/thenews/foreign-affairs/?id=89924
celinski   
26 Aug 2008
History / UPA - Ukrainian Insurgent Army. How they killed poles in Volhynia (1943). [139]

Ukrainian-Polish issues should be discussed among Poles and Ukes only

IMO, OUN/UPA would not have acted the way they did had the standard of life and value of a human not been brought down to such a low value. Prior to 1939 Polish, Ukraine and I might add Jewish, lived in peace in the east. This turning on each other was survival of the fittest.
celinski   
25 Aug 2008
History / UPA - Ukrainian Insurgent Army. How they killed poles in Volhynia (1943). [139]

It is now 61st Anniversary of the Ukrainian "Cleansing" of the Polish populace. It began in Wolyn and then spread to the areas of Polesie and Podole. There will be a wreath laying ceremony in Wroclaw at the Monument to the Slain in June. It was a terrifying chapter of the war for the Polish inhabitants of those areas, they were killed by their neighbours with whom they used to live peacefully. Those neighbours were antagonised and implored to "cleanse" the areas by the OUN/UPA elements. These calls were even blessed by the local Ukrainian priests (popi) ...

Monument to the Slain

kresy.co.uk/aniversary.html
celinski   
22 Aug 2008
News / POLAND TO SIGN US MISSILE SHIELD DEAL TONIGHT [239]

Now Russia basing on its military doctrine will HAVE to increase quantity of warheads, relocate known missile vehicles and aim some missiles to Poland.

I believe I already gave you the link where Russia says the site is not an issue, so what is it?

Do you still think Europe needed that problem created by the US, by their straight military interests?

I take it USA made Russia attack Georgia and then not live up to their word that they would get out.

Russian military doctrine and my education background

Guess you would have to be there. Russia is still living in lala land that Germany killed the Polish Katyn.
celinski   
22 Aug 2008
News / POLAND TO SIGN US MISSILE SHIELD DEAL TONIGHT [239]

I don't have any enemy's. I see you as someone that has strong feeling of defending the actions of a country that I feel is placing all of the European's in danger of war over what, Russia's pride and having to deal with their past injustices, being segregated and left out of main organizations, who knows.

Maybe if push comes to shove and if Poland is in danger Germany will remember the EU and what they have been through and be there for them. I stongly feel if Germany would stand beside ex Soviet run states, Russia would not be pushing their weight around.
celinski   
22 Aug 2008
News / POLAND TO SIGN US MISSILE SHIELD DEAL TONIGHT [239]

Reguardless of where we live we are the same. As I watched the Olympic's last night, Russia and US were playing volley ball, by the way great game Russia, and in this moment they are men gathering to show with pride the skills they have. Then I was thinking of the value we place on anothers life, should the two meet in a battle field what would be gainned and for whom? It's 2008 and we need to find a way to stop this killing and fighting about bs. Sadly the ones that die during war are there because standards of dealing with issues were ignored. As Russia uses fuel, US uses assistance.

Collin Rayes song could not say it better we all Nation wide cry, laugh, love and sadly bleed and die. We need to work as a nation and when no country should feel they need missile shields to protect their rights our work shall be done for the children of the next generation.

Funny thing is if most of us met in person without space between us, we would have alot in common, enjoy each others company and have a drink or two. Hopefully we would not want harm to come to the other. I cannot be there to protect Poland, maybe I argue with you so you will keep an eye on my loved one should they need it. :)
celinski   
22 Aug 2008
News / POLAND TO SIGN US MISSILE SHIELD DEAL TONIGHT [239]

for you the war never ended!

lol and many more like me, you see until 1989 our voice could not be heard. If you recall you went home to Germany, Poland could not as the home was occupied, remember.

Well....and that differs from 1939 how???

Today everyone knows all to well the cost of not protecting and having allies that will never let Poland, Ukraine or other ex's be taken over.
celinski   
22 Aug 2008
News / POLAND TO SIGN US MISSILE SHIELD DEAL TONIGHT [239]

I think Poland still needs to find their balance...

Poland feels Russia needs to.

And it should be different today how?

Missile Shield, aggreement with trusted allie if attacked they will help. From your posts I pray all German do not feel as you do, if so, this is very similar to 1939.
celinski   
22 Aug 2008
News / POLAND TO SIGN US MISSILE SHIELD DEAL TONIGHT [239]

Especially if you want to have your own sensitivities taken into account (as Poland often does...and loudly so).

Like that helped in 1939, please. I think one thing that is being overlooked is the part of the aggreement whereas USA will umbrella Poland hould Russia be stupid enough to attack.
celinski   
22 Aug 2008
News / POLAND TO SIGN US MISSILE SHIELD DEAL TONIGHT [239]

Then why being so stupid and shortsighted to give them that reason???

why is this a reason, it's not even Russia said so.

This is not about the "Missile Shield" it is just a reason for Russia to flex.

Do you think Poland should just bow to Russia's threats?

What were there???

"Kaczynski, a longtime supporter of the shield, said the crisis in Georgia — which, like Poland, is an ex-communist country turned U.S. ally — prompted the government to cut protracted negotiations short and ink the deal. "I believe that the events in Georgia caused the government finally to understand that black is black and white is white," Kaczynski told Polish television."
celinski   
22 Aug 2008
News / POLAND TO SIGN US MISSILE SHIELD DEAL TONIGHT [239]

This is not about the "Missile Shield" it is just a reason for Russia to flex.

"Moscow's military leaders aren't really afraid of the US missile defense system. Ten US interceptor missiles stand against thousands of Russian warheads, should it come to that. Fears of spying, which the Kremlin has always mentioned in connection with the project, are not decisive. Russian military experts concede that already-existing US listening posts are enough. As usual, the main point is the respect and recognition of a Russia which still has not come to terms with its loss of superpower status.

spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,573527,00.html
celinski   
22 Aug 2008
News / POLAND TO SIGN US MISSILE SHIELD DEAL TONIGHT [239]

"You made your bed now lie in it!"

Stop with the bed crap we did not threaten them, POLAND is FREE to defend herself and with past and present actions by Russia would be stupid not to. Germany being EU, stand beside Poland not look for reasons Poland is wrong for defending herself.

It would appear that the tide still has some turning to do

Thank you a very pretty song indeed. :)

What was it?

Did you read the article above? Lets see if not for the shield it would be Poland is an allie with US, or Poland defended Georgia. Let me ask you did Ukraine sign a shield aggreement or do they just have Russian living there?
celinski   
22 Aug 2008
News / POLAND TO SIGN US MISSILE SHIELD DEAL TONIGHT [239]

How did Russia threatened Poland?

MISSILE SHIELD FALLOUT
Poland Risks Serious Confrontation with Russia

The Cold War is returning to Poland. Warsaw wants to further tighten ties with Washington and it has used the US missile defense system to do so -- against massive opposition from Moscow. In return, the Poles will now be given Patriot missiles to protect themselves.

Moscow has argued that the missile shield could also be
used against Russia. "Poland is now a target of our missiles," one Russian general hissed not long ago after the Polish and Americans reached an agreement.

spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,573307,00.html

Then why can u be so angry towards only Russia?

I do feel the ones hiding in Canada that killed Polish families should be tried for their crimes also.
celinski   
22 Aug 2008
News / POLAND TO SIGN US MISSILE SHIELD DEAL TONIGHT [239]

how about russian missiles on Cuba?

Missle or missle shield? On Cuba or in?

And about which threats coming from Russia are you talking especially?

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celinski   
22 Aug 2008
News / POLAND TO SIGN US MISSILE SHIELD DEAL TONIGHT [239]

Disagreeing and still not at war with each other???

It also does not hurt that you have Poland between you and Russia. Don't get me wrong disaggreeing is not the issue, attacking, threatening and total disreguard for rights of independent country's is. In fact disaggreeing is healthy and keeps us in check. Right now Russia brags of pointing missle at Poland. Why, there's no missle shield to point at?
celinski   
22 Aug 2008
News / POLAND TO SIGN US MISSILE SHIELD DEAL TONIGHT [239]

question where Polands energy should come from when the bear get's really miffed???

Tell me where your energy will come from if you have a thought that Russia doesn't like?
celinski   
22 Aug 2008
News / POLAND TO SIGN US MISSILE SHIELD DEAL TONIGHT [239]

We will never allow ourselves to be attacked on both fronts while the rest of Europe watches again.

Well said, Poland has always been there for USA no questions asked and here in the USA majority know this. With all the Polish families in the USA because Poland was not protected many see and feel this need. This article says it all.

Poland: once bitten, twice shy

Surveys show Polish public opinion has rapidly shifted from wariness about hosting the US missile shield to outright enthusiasm. The reason is simple. Russia conducted a devastating counterattack against Georgia this month, and Poles are convinced the time for treading softly around the Russian bear has passed.

But now, the 10 interceptor missiles headed for Poland have real power - and that power is symbolic rather than tactical. With American boots and hardware on the ground in their country, Poles feel that they cannot be let down in the way they have been so many times before. The Kremlin's recent behavior, and long memories in this part of the world, makes Poles want that certainty.

guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/aug/21/poland.usa?
celinski   
21 Aug 2008
News / Funny German way of thinking ... "Stupid Poles" destroying EU? [57]

How do you imagine the Russians live

I put a news clip a week ago in PF of Russian kids having a peaceful deminstration recently and Russian PD opened fire with machine guns. If that were my children I would go balistic. They wanted Russia out of Georgia, go figure.
celinski   
20 Aug 2008
News / POLAND TO SIGN US MISSILE SHIELD DEAL TONIGHT [239]

Addition: You are reading my thoughts?

but Poland who is she

Shame on you divid and concure. Just as I saw a bit of niceness you stab her. And then speek for the Brat.