History / What would Europe look like with Polish-Lithuanian-Ukrainian Commonwealth today [209]


Scroll back i posted a different one claiming an even bigger number.

Here's another one:
boingboing.net/2005/08/25/american-obesity-sky.html

I can keep posting if you want, the numbers vary but never go below 1/3 and the conclusion is always the same, at least one third of scrappletons are fat.


It was awesome! The only thing Poles didnt have was a Death Star and Darth Vader, we were so evil Empire! :)

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Oh come on, what did we do? Burn some cities, impale some people and you go and use big words.

I'm addicted to this blasted forum.

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Actually Sean according to this:
cdc.gov/obesity/data/index.html

A whooping 1/3 of all Americans are fat. Not only is one in three Americans a pig but according to these statistics the number of lard buckets is growing.


Because spraying local populations with agent orange and murdering civilians to save them from communism was so very noble of them.

(off to work)

Love / Broken Heart, An amazing girl from Poland [139]


Short answer? While i'm sure there's good and intelligent people in every group i perceive both blacks and arabs as racial and cultural groups (not individuals) as our inferiors, they create slums, destroy our civilisation and invade our lifestyle with their backwards ways and i will always oppose integration of these people into our society political correctness notwithstanding.

I've been to US, i've been to UK and i can now safely say that colored diversity, tolerance for these cultures and capacity to live next to each other in peace are utter bull**t.

Also go on internet google for what Western women went through in a relationship with some paki, then talk.

If a Polish girl wants to date one of them its her god given right and its my god given right not to like it.


Its absolutely true though.


My lady i'm as Polish as it gets and (as far as i know) my gf has been an icon of fidelity despite many trips:)

The fact is that most Polish women who betray their partners have such modus operandi, find a foreigner they like, sell him a story about a collapsing relationship that makes him hopefull and her less guilty and roll with it.

Men just claim they're single :)

Love / Broken Heart, An amazing girl from Poland [139]


I admit nothing :D


Hell no, where did i say we're any better? But since the guy apparently dealt with a girl we're talking about females, also i'm not going to spit on my own shoes am i?


I've no beef against Polish girls dating Brits or Europeans as long as these Brits are not black or arab, dont ask me why there's been whole threads written as to why.

Love / Broken Heart, An amazing girl from Poland [139]


What? You want me to admit that in front of everybody? Of course we dont!

Love / Broken Heart, An amazing girl from Poland [139]


I have standards, she was definitely not strange. Besides women are different creatures, they make up these stories about wanting to leave their boyfriend to feel less guilty about shagging a foreigner, of course then they get back home and marry said bf and some poor sod foreigner is building his expectations on a random remark on how she's going to dump her guy.

Love / Broken Heart, An amazing girl from Poland [139]


I became lonely when my girl left for 3 days, its awfully easy to become lonely :))

On a more serious note and to the OP you have to live through this, there's no chance of finding her and you shouldnt either since she might not even remember you by now.


Nope, people stay with each other their entire lives because its fun shagging the same wrinkled near-retirement creature that was a prom queen 2000 years ago.

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Yes i did and at least in New York and Chicago where different branches of my family live most of people you see on the streets are fat or overweight, i've never seen so many fatties anywhere else to be honest. If these two cities are to be treated as a template (and i dont see why not) then yeah Americans are grossly fat :))

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Google disgraphy.


Dude your own statistics to which i linked you say that 2/3rd of Americans are obese and 1/3 is outright fat, it has nothing to do with me and everything to do with the majority of US citizens being obese or fat.


But Washington was, if i remember correctly you started a war with Brits and they not only kicked your arse but burned your capital down :))))

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And that must be why we have a higher GDP than USA, because we lack dynamism!


So tell me how is Wehrmacht different from the German or French armies of today?


Why? The collective European armies are already equal to US army and unlike US UE doesnt spend a significant amount of its GDP on armaments:)


Even without the British Europe has more money and manpower than US, there's Germany, France, Spain and Italy, there's the Low Countries, Portugal, central and eastern Europe.


You're an uneducated idiot (which you have proven by continous stream of bull and ignoring answers that humilitated you and revealed total ignorance) in most European armies army is seen as prestigous work, its well paid comes with high public trust and recognition.


If you werent an uneducatec moron you would know that Vietnam had a regular army with weapons, uniforms etc, and you were losing against them as well :)))


Who are you to say that you ignorant little retard? They rarely gave up, fought to the last and showed nearly inhuman courage and endurance, you can read it in your own veterans diaries, the problem with you as with most of your subhuman breed is that you people dont read, learning is beneath you but apparently spouting bull is not.


Canada? Australia? Those are some of the least militant states check their numbers and military spending hillbilly boy.

As for UK, its the only country in Europe that has a serious issue with soldiers obesity, the only other army that has one to such degree is US army, apparently americans are warriors, keyboard warriors like you :)))

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Which is why a contingent of 2500 Poles succesfully holds a province thats normally held by 5000 Americans?:)))


Oh yes there's plenty of recordings of proud american soldiers fighting handcuffed prisoners in your various concentration camps, heroes:)))


Unlike the manly 600 pound Americans:)


Yes, you can usually back it up with even more arrogance :)))


Nothing is impossible in the future.

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30 to be exact :)


True, our history is totally peacefull, by the way you should thank Tadeusz Kościuszko for not being a warrior and not saving your army at Ticonderoga or not fortifying West Point.

Also make sure you remember Kaziemierz Pulaski who trained your half witted cavalry into a fighting force to be feared:))

Seems like we had quite a large contribution to your war of independence for not being warriors :)))


Given that Poland occupied Moscow twice i beg to differ :)))


Actually while your technology is decent your military is not all that large at a milion something :)


You sure you'd find it on a map though?:) You know by being an arrogant ignorant twat you're only reinforcing the stereotype :)))

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There's not much satisfaction from a won war if half of your country glows at night.

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One of the problems with Russia is that its unable to stop, the moment it gets things rolling its heading for an European war that no one including Russia will want but due to Russian mindsets will be inevitable.

Also Scrappleton.

US has a lower GDP then EU, less people then EU, you might want to revise your views:))

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Doesnt ring the bell, care to elaborate?


There's a long long way to go for that.


Not without a major war. One that Russia cant really afford.


Personal theory of mine, if Ukraine went into EU it would naturally gravitate towards Poland due to similar interests, if 90 milion people and two economies start speaking with one voice they'll eventually aquire more leverage than any single country from the Western Europe, so particular interests of old members mess up EU yet again.


At present Russia would have problems even with single states but Russian military weakness is for another thread and yeah EU is a viable competitor against US, a massive market, advanced technology and half a bilion people.

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Remain a sovereign nation with the least possible Russian influence on our economy or politics.

Also viewing Russia as any sort of rational state capable of rational actions (which you do Sean) is at this point wrong.


Actually they want both but for now its only Ukraine that they realistically can have, no point.


I agree absolutely, in fact i believe that we should cut all alliance ties with America and keep our relations only on business like level.


There's always ulterior motives, especially when a superpower like US feels threatened by EU.


My family were peasants, would you like to see our ancestral home? We owned an entire village actually, my ancestors were attending Viennese and Warsaw theatres when your people were living in log houses hunting bears and wiping with leaves :)))

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You need to phrase this question differently, how can we avoid antagonizing Russia whist keeping our national interest at heart.


It was never about Iran, it was from the start a political game with Russia to actually gain Iranian support, right now i'm starting to think US had it planned towards this conclusion from the beginning.


You think it was about Iran, USA is looking to warm up its relations with Russia (for reasons yet unknown but i'm sure its a part of a bigger picture) i believe they used the missiles and their eventual backing down as a carrot.

Having those installations here in Poland would ceirtanly antagonize Russia but having US withdraw in such a way will ensure Russia it can safely engage in a political and economic offensive against Poland without US as much as lifting a finger so what USA did was incredibly disadvantegous to Poland, bordering on hostile.

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Of the latest, how the shield situation resolved itself in a good way for Poland.


No if we wait for them to mature they not only wont but they'll fall back into Russian sphere of influence and get taken apart, we need to actively help them.

Later when they're standing on their own we can sort out UPA and other things, Lwów can be sorted without taking it from them, the Poles who love Lwów will be able to eventually go, live there, invest money to make life better for themselves and the local inhabitants.


There is that risk yes, but i'm not proposing we bend over whenever its convenient for Ukraine, all i'm saying is that we need to, for the moment treat Ukraine as a rather fragile creature it is, using their weakness to take what was once ours is going to bite us in the future when Ukraine would inevitably got annexed or became a Russian protectorate and our buffer zone would go f*ck itself.


The world will have its own problems, what you're seeing now is not a temporary crisis but a downward pattern that will continue untill the West is unable to throw money even at domestic issues, let alone help Russia.


Its not mine, i draw conclusions from articles worldwide

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And we're doing that, we can solve many issues in the future but with a mature healthy Ukraine, right now this state is not healthy and having it fall back into the Russian sphere of influence or turn into a third world dump serves nobody, least of all Poland.


Maybe maybe not, personally i think sincerity and honesty IF accompanied by keen awareness of the situation you're in is a good thing in diplomacy, its not present in European or American diplomatic history which is why so many bad things happened in our history.


Whats not likely? Russian economy is failing on its face, how are they going to pay for strategic bombers, subs or missile maintenance if they wont be able to afford such basics as adequate food transport, electricty etc.

No money = no army = no leverage. Already the only reason why world is talking to Russia is because of their natural resources.

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Morality aside the consequences we could suffer would be analogous.


I'm starting to think you're a hardcore right winger like UPR or something.


Seanus is shytless about the situation in Poland or Eastern Europe, i like the guy but he's a typical westerner in his thinking which means his opinions about Eastern Europe are pretty much worthless.


All true but you have to remember that unlike Poland they dont have the luxury of 1000 years cultural and civilizational backbone to oppose corruption, their nation was shaped by soviet mentality, instead of looking down on them we need to help them get out of this hopeless situation.


Tell that to Hungary.


On a limited timeframe, their economy is winding down at a speed that makes collapse within 10 years realistic.

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The question is do you know what the Polish architecture is? Because you might look at it and think its German or Austrian.


Opera itself for example is built by Poles, Polish artists and sculptors worked on it, it was designed by a Pole, Zygmunt Gorgolewski.

The towns centre can feel Germanic because it was built almost 700 years ago by Kazimierz wielki (polish king) according to Magdeburgian layout, the gothic town hall has been built by Poles as well.

Some of the examples of Polish architecture in Lwów:



As you can see Polish architecture is not one unbroken continous style, especially between 15-17 centuries during Polish golden age several architectonic schools basing on Italian, German, and their Polonised versions were present, as well as Polish baroq and influences by the Eastern architecture but almost all of Lwów historic landmarks(including the town centre, town hall, main railway station and lwów university) were built by Poles.

In fact because Lwów was preserved so well its apart from Kraków and Gdańsk one of the best kept examples of Polish architecture.


Russia will soon enough be limited by its economy, Poland will not so i'd say we can safely excersize what leverage we have in helping Ukraine join the EU.


No one is complaining, Ironside is the odd egg in the basket really, the vast majority of Poles and the goverment came to accept Lwów as Ukrainian and there's no intention to change it, we have a soft spot and think of it as "our" city because it used to be one of our heartland areas for the better part of a thousand years but it doesnt lead to any kind of revisionism on our part, its Ukrainian now and thats that.

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Absolutely, Lwów is a Ukrainian city right now and the vast majority of Poles came to accept it, it is a part of our heritage and history but its your land now.


And then what? Our population is shrinking you know, the housing problem will be gone in a few years, if you send 3-5 milion Poles to inhabit that region our economy and infrastructure will suffer country-wide due to not enough hands to work on it.


Yes they did, can we get them back without screwing ourselves in long term? No we cant. Besides i daresay bordering only Germany is much better than bordering Russia AND Germany, especially since Germany grew up, Russia did not.


You want to antagonize possibly the most important Polish ally for a city thats useless to us outside of sentimental value, we are slowly getting richer and more influential, in 10=20 years we'll pull Ukraine into EU and then every Pole who wants can go and live in Lwów without war, expulsions and all the things your reasoning brings.


And he wanted reactions like yours, he planned for people like you, reasoning like this is what caused Poland to fall initially and then caused both world wars.


What BB said, short term gain with a future long term or even permanent loss attached.

Ukraine is important to us, friendly Ukraine. We can establish cordial relations with Germans and the West (in time) but we need true friends (or as close as it comes in diplomacy) poor fractured and hostile Ukraine is not worth getting one city thats not of strategic or economic importance and sentimental value is not enough to f*ck ourselves up for generations to come.

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I'm lost as to what did Germans "buy out" in Wroclaw?


It was in Austria for about 100 years, it was in Poland for over 400, more than 90% of historical sites in Lwów were built by Poles or under the Polish goverment, much of Polish cultural and civilisational achievement was centered around Lwów.

Saying that Lwów feels Austrian to a Pole would be like telling a German that Berlin feels more Chineese than German. Its hard to find a more Polish city outside of Kraków, Poznań and Warsaw.

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And what? Get a city with a huge Ukrainian minority displeased with their situation? What are you going to do with them then? Genocide them all? Did we become Russians or Germans all of a sudden?

Face it, both of us would like to have Lwów back where it belongs which is in Poland but there's no feasible way to get it back that wouldnt bite us in the ass immidiately and generations afterwards.

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Well short of a war the only thing we can (and did) do is to acknowledge Lwów as Ukrainian regardless who's was it in the past.

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There's a point at which you just have to let go, Ukrainians despite all the evil the UPA did are the victims just as much as we're, they're also a strategic country for Poland, wrecking our own stability and welfare to such degree for one city is not worth it.


So do i but getting back our lands this way is counterproductive, right now is the time to let it slide.


Come on Iron, we in Poland would wage war over a square inch taken from us by force, how do you think Ukraine is any different?


It could, but the fact that it first appears in a Kievan Chronicle done by a Rusin implies its not.


Edge of various Russian principalities for example, Lithuania, Poland etc.

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There's a lot we could write about him, suffice to say he didnt always write what he wanted and when he did it wasnt always the same as truth, remember that he wrote in times of deep communism and when hatred towards Ukraine was fresh.


Was, barring a major conflict there's no way to take it back and while we probably could kick Ukraine out of the region the short and long term consequences would be catastrophic.


Whats to settle? They've got their country, we have ours, would you like to break us the sharp sticks in the name of historical sentiments? Germany tried it, learn from their failiures.


Like i said Ukraine was another term for "border lands" the name was applied not only to Ukraine proper but also to lands in Belarus or Russia depending on the geographical pov of the writer.

Poles popularized the term but it originates somewhere in the ruthenian region about 900 years ago though it meant something else than today.


I could go to Stalins grave, open it, unzip and pay him my respects:)

News / Poland Rejects US Missile Shield (talks will continue...) [80]


Poland bought those very expensive F-16s for a lot of money, it had nothing to do with any sort of an alliance, what we have are best planes in EU (for now) and we paid good money for them.

The problem started when US started messing around with the offset deal, as far as i know it was eventually sorted out but Americans tried to squeeze money they had no right to as per deal.


Apart from sensational statements from our own (Polish) politicians that are designed to cover up the failure there is no indication that Poland will receive the battery. In fact US goverment as usually only hinted it 'might' transfer Patriots to Poland, when, what kind of warheads and on what conditions its unknown.

In other words no Patriots.

Amen, Russian economy suffers, Ukraine and Belarus just sit there and look juicy, it would be a darn shame not to dance with them.

As for US, after this middle finger, yeah, Polish support is over, our "alliance" probably will follow it down to the trash bin soon enough.

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Actually here you are correct, its not Polish, it was first used 1187 in the Kievan Chronicle. It originally meant "borderland" or "friontier" its origin is unknown but definitely not Polish.


Come on Ironside, what books, commie version of history from the 60s?


Yes for a couple of years, afterwards Tatars begun pillaging their lands, there was no Polish regular army to defend them and it turned out that not having regular army or organized goverment structures they were virtually defensless and Moscow, unlike Poland had no intention of protecting these lands as long as there were Cossacks inhabiting them.


I think he means we will invade them, take back Lwów and start the impaling business again, everyone knows Poland wants Ukraine back, it would be nice to occupy Moscow again too.