News / The Lisbon Treaty and land reperations [74]


Well...you are admiring China too...something is seriously off with you!


Yeah...I can envision it:

...at the POW camp:

"Hey...you being a Volksdeutscher?
"Umm...ja..."
*pistol get's pointed at his head*
"You for sure want to fight for the good Poles now, won't you!"
*gulp*
"Sure...sure...I always wanted to, the bad Germans forced me but now
I'm happy to fight for my real home country as a true Pole!"

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What has the Blood Sunday in Bromberg to do with Goebbels? Did he kill all the german civilians?

And I would be careful to call anybody and his grandmom a traitor just because he didn't want to fight for Poland...
Poland in this time was not exactly comfy to his minorities (especially the Germans) in their new republic, dreaming of an ethnical cleansed Greater Poland.

Most Germans weren't asked if they wanted to be Poles! (And there where they had been asked the opinon was very clear about it)

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Crap!
Interwar Poland was rife with ethnic tensions, hate and violence...
Why should a Pole with german ancestry die for a polish Poland where he was hated and unwanted???
Often he was forced to become polish citizen rather then stay German because thanks to the Treaty of Versailles former german land fell now under polish rule? That's what happened to Bromberg...

Would you call Poles fighting and chosing polish rule during the partititions rather than german rulership traitors to Germany too??

(On the other hand nobody was forced to subscribe the Liste as Volksdeutscher I. So if he hadn't there wouldn't had been the call to the arms....)

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Your grandparents and mine chose their side and lost...we have to pay and take it like men, period!
It could be much worse!


Well, you got it (with interests) now shut the **** up!

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Ukraine isn't in the EU (yet).....

News / The Lisbon Treaty and land reperations [74]

If it weren't the Sudeten it would be something else...he would find another threadbare reason not to subscribe.
(Because he didn't mentioned them before, didn't he)
We should just sit him out...he can't stay in power for eternity! :)
He is totally isolated now...


Well..you better do!
In not doing that you risk our future...

If you must have to have a farm in Poland why not buy some land there and settle?

History / Matters of Propaganda...Or: how was the West portrayed in Poland? [150]


Nudism as act of civilian disobedience??? Who is talking such crap???
Nudism has it's roots in a "green" lifestyle in Germany back to the beginning of the last century.
Nothing political about it!
And surely nothing "eastern"...

/wiki/Naturism


You only need your helmet anyhow...:)

News / European Quality Of Life Index: Poland in the middle [29]

uswitch.com/press-room/press-releases

Shoot them!

News / European Quality Of Life Index: Poland in the middle [29]


Well...how do you explain the millions of immigrants from all over the world to poor little western Europe?


Isn't that contradicting your earlier statement:


You're doped already at this hour??? ;)


The Telegraph too...this study isn't made by a paper, they are just writing about it...don't shoot the messenger! :)

guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oct/12/uk-poor-quality-life-survey

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I don't like apes! ;)

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Uh..don't tell me...
Many Berliners felt like living in a zoo anyhow! ;)

History / Did Ukraine really "steal" Polish land? [302]

Beautiful!

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I'm still fighting the fight...;)

History / Did Ukraine really "steal" Polish land? [302]


That's great to hear! Really...

History / Did Ukraine really "steal" Polish land? [302]


Yes...I read of it...most people now living in Silesia are eastern Poles. Changing the face of this part of the land irrevocably.

Sok? Given the possibility...would you try to make it back to the home of your forefathers?
I personally would love to get to know Breslau but couldn't probably be arsed to relocate there..

History / Did Ukraine really "steal" Polish land? [302]


Adam and Eva were definitely german! God told me so...;)


Well, when I bring a centuries old list from Germans in Danzig or Breslau from back as far as 1400 you discard all this but now demand from Nathan that he should accept a list from 1800???

It seems with you it can only be the Poles always be right, right? Everybody else is wrong and can't have a possible claim...

Polonia / Any thoughts on religion in Russia from Poland? [9]


Manno...that sounds like an upcoming very successful time for german foreign policy!

History / Matters of Propaganda...Or: how was the West portrayed in Poland? [150]


You were very afraid of Poles[/quote]

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So it was called.


Never....western Germany wasn't fascist and it was build only after so many people left already, with more packing their bags that schools had to be closed because there weren't any teachers left or no milk could get delivered because not enough milkmen left etc.etc.etc.

"Ein Land ohne Menschen!"

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Well..that's what we were told in school all the time! ;)

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Erm....really? I hadn't thought of that...


The church more or less!
There was the only place the dissidents could meet....

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Well...I didn't start that "messing" around. It wasn't me calling one people "tougher" than the other without any reason..

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You mean " the brave polish race"? Another myth...


I read them, did you? Some riots, how Borrka would call them...nothing more, nothing less!


I'm not, a honest question.
MILLIONS of eastern Germans made their choice clear with their feet. The commies in East Berlin NEEDED the wall to keep going.
But still people kept trying to leave and over 1300 people got killed for that. Not to mention those who were caught and spend the rest of their lives in Gulags...


Well...somehow rocks and stone were still there even after the Soviets plundered the land for reparations...don't tell me Poland didn't even have rocks?


Well...an uncomfortable reminder that not all Poles were as brave and resisting as you would like them to be....


Yeah..and I got visited by a martian last night...seriously!


No mass movement? Millions left the GDR...how would you call that??? That's why the wall was build in the first place!
Don't make me laugh..

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I would say yes! It's Poles who here won't have any other resisting than them...that's what the whole bruhaha is about! I find it despisable actually...but it's not me who had started that downtalking of other victims of communism!

History / Matters of Propaganda...Or: how was the West portrayed in Poland? [150]


Oh I heard about it....:)

Hmmm...sounds like "riots" as Borrka called them on the East German side

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Where? When? What makes Poles so much more brave and resisting than any other people in the eastern bloc? What made Poles so much "tougher" as you said?

Remember it was YOU starting to downtalk other commie countries.


I don't even know where to start with Poland...but I know about the brave Czechs and Hungarians!


Oh really? Do you have a number, a statistic for me? I mean something else instead of empty phrases....

Did the polish communists ever needed to build a wall to keep the people in and the state alive and functioning? No? I thought so...


Why? The only connection I see is polish troops invading Czechoslovakia to help to kill the uprising of the Prague spring...anything else?

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Nope...Gorbatschov said more or less "What you do or don't do is not our concern anymore! It's your country."
Then all descended into tohuwabohu...the GDR own troops could have fired but they didn't.
They just didn't dare without the backing of the soviet troops...and the motivation between the conscripts just wasn't high enough.

The border troops for example got just overwhelmed by the masses and instead to fire at them stepped back and let them through....

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Well...The "non-revolution" in East Germany could only happen because Gorbatschov explicitely denied the SED any military support as they begged for it...that is proven!

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morgenpost.de/printarchiv/berlin/article1148197/Mauertote_Verwirrung_um_Opferzahlen.html


Most likely even more, many cases are still open.
The 200 are the number most likely only of the inner-Berlin victims. The other numbers is also for victims killed trying to leave over the Baltic sea or everywhere else at this border...

But not all got to the western media at all!

mauermuseum.de/english/frame-index-mauer.html


Erm..."refugees of the republic"?

spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,563992,00.html