Sokrates
11 Oct 2009
History / Did Ukraine really "steal" Polish land? [302]
We built the main railway station and we financed it to boot.
You dont count the partitions when Lwów was a Polish authonomy, Lwów was for 598 years governed by Poles, for a period of the partitions it was ruled by Austrians but also governed by Poles, Poles made up post offices, militia, decided on what and where to build, controlled the education, all of the city treasurers, chiefs of fire department and presidents of the city were Polish.
In WW2 the city was occupied from 1939 to 45 first by Germans then by Ukrainians but it was still non-the less Polish city which the Lwów uprising proves.
No its the truth, the city was with a Ruthenian country for 90~ odd years and then was in Poland independent or authonomous for almost 600 years, according to mathematics that means that Poland owned Lwów six times longer then the Ruthenians did.
No, Polish had a big impact on Gdańsk history and culture, as far as Lwów we created its history and culture.
No Nathan, we created almost all of them. Ukrainian university, main railway station, the entire city centre, the town hall, the opera house, the high castle, Dominican Church, Jesuit Church, the gunpowder tower, the arsenal, the black house, the low castle, Saint Elisabeth Church, we paved the roads you're using today, we built the bridges that cross Lwóws waterways, the city is built by Poles, the 90% figure is a very conservative one, chances are its more than that.
During Habsburg Empire Ukrainians constituted approximately 24% of the citys population as opposed to 53% of Poles, at no point in Lwóws histroy from XIV century to XX century were Ukrainians more then the 1/3 of the total population, Polish population fluctuated between half and more than the half of the cities population.
Actually no one was driving you out of the city, the problem with you was that you just had to resort to violence and always got your ass kicked only to be sour afterwards.
You wanted our city, you tried to take it by force so of course we wouldnt stand around with our thumbs in our asses.
We werent the majority in the country around Lwów, in Lwów we were always a majority, every history book confirms that, including yours.
Because we were the ruling class and the majority within the city limits from shortly after we got it? Because all the buildings have the names of people who built them or ordered them built and they're Polish people? Because for a quarter of a century we've been the richest country in Europe and Lwów was our major development project and even when Poland fell Austria allowed us to govern the city.
If you want we can do a run by of Lwów historical sites and who built them, barring a few Ormian and German churches and Synagouges its all built by Poles, virtually everything built prior to 1939 is likely to be Polish in origin.
compared to Sokrates "we built...to and from it".
We built the main railway station and we financed it to boot.
Also I don't deny Polish presence there for 444 years (look above),
You dont count the partitions when Lwów was a Polish authonomy, Lwów was for 598 years governed by Poles, for a period of the partitions it was ruled by Austrians but also governed by Poles, Poles made up post offices, militia, decided on what and where to build, controlled the education, all of the city treasurers, chiefs of fire department and presidents of the city were Polish.
In WW2 the city was occupied from 1939 to 45 first by Germans then by Ukrainians but it was still non-the less Polish city which the Lwów uprising proves.
6 times more" statement, which is a lie.
No its the truth, the city was with a Ruthenian country for 90~ odd years and then was in Poland independent or authonomous for almost 600 years, according to mathematics that means that Poland owned Lwów six times longer then the Ruthenians did.
Polish had a big impact on L'viv history and culture
No, Polish had a big impact on Gdańsk history and culture, as far as Lwów we created its history and culture.
Polish erected some beautiful artifacts.
No Nathan, we created almost all of them. Ukrainian university, main railway station, the entire city centre, the town hall, the opera house, the high castle, Dominican Church, Jesuit Church, the gunpowder tower, the arsenal, the black house, the low castle, Saint Elisabeth Church, we paved the roads you're using today, we built the bridges that cross Lwóws waterways, the city is built by Poles, the 90% figure is a very conservative one, chances are its more than that.
was taxing Ukrainian majority during Habsburg empire
During Habsburg Empire Ukrainians constituted approximately 24% of the citys population as opposed to 53% of Poles, at no point in Lwóws histroy from XIV century to XX century were Ukrainians more then the 1/3 of the total population, Polish population fluctuated between half and more than the half of the cities population.
you forget how intense Polish polonozation and pacification policies were in 1920-30s, driving Ukrainians out of the city
Actually no one was driving you out of the city, the problem with you was that you just had to resort to violence and always got your ass kicked only to be sour afterwards.
You wanted our city, you tried to take it by force so of course we wouldnt stand around with our thumbs in our asses.
So if you weren't majority of the population and didn't have your own country,
We werent the majority in the country around Lwów, in Lwów we were always a majority, every history book confirms that, including yours.
how can you claim of building 90% of the city? Just be honest.
Because we were the ruling class and the majority within the city limits from shortly after we got it? Because all the buildings have the names of people who built them or ordered them built and they're Polish people? Because for a quarter of a century we've been the richest country in Europe and Lwów was our major development project and even when Poland fell Austria allowed us to govern the city.
If you want we can do a run by of Lwów historical sites and who built them, barring a few Ormian and German churches and Synagouges its all built by Poles, virtually everything built prior to 1939 is likely to be Polish in origin.