UK, Ireland /
Poles claim UK benefits after working only one year instead of going home [156]
Isn't that tehnically what they do at the moment? You have to have paid in for a certain amount of time before you can claim.
Not at all. As I said:
A great number of benefit claimants claim IS/JSA(IB) from their 16th birthday to retirement age with full HB/CTB, CHB and Tax Credits to boot. These people are net benefiters from the system, in fact they will never contribute
I opted out of SERPS so, technically you can do that.
I was referring to means tested benefits.
Not really true, if you have savings of £16,000 or more you can not claim JSA.
Not true, that only applies to means-tested JSA (Income based). JSA (Contributions based) is non-means tested, payable for 26 weeks maximum, and is based on NI contributions:
I think you knew what he meant, or did you just want to mention that your dad was sucessful?
I think he was suggesting that benefit entitlement should somehow depend on how much tax your parents paid. I merely used my old man as an example of how silly this concept is. The fact that he was successful is not to my credit, which actually helps to illustrate my point!
Assuming that the person in your example had parents with a decent track record of paying taxes, then of course he would be entitled to benefits.
So If I was made redundant after working for two years, I would be entitled to benefits? But if someone who had been working for the same amount of time, but whose parents were unemployed was made redundant, they would not be entitled? That is ridiculous.
Dont you think we have enough uneducated people of our own?
We do. I was enquiring as to whether you would prefer uneducated Poles or highly educated, skilled people from "certain other minorities". Well?
In your spare time when you're not on here? Kind of figures now why the system is in such a bad state when half the staff are wasting time on the internet! Before you start on about me being on here, my salary doesn't come out the tax payers pocket!
Irons only averages 15 posts a week.
We've been through this and you post far more frequently than me. I paid my first visit to this site just before I finished work at 4:30. I made one post (which was benefit related anyway) ;-). What about you? I don't deny that there is to some extent, an unproductive culture in parts of the Public sector, but I am pretty good at my job and work hard enough. Am I wasting tax payers money by being here... well technically yes. Are you stealing from your company by doing the same... yes. You shouldn't throw stones from that glass house of yours ;-)
but women from certain minority groups are less likely to ever work due to cultural issues.
That maybe true. I'd also point out that Muslim women are far less likely to become teenage mothers than white, indigenous women. Just think of all that Income Support, Child Tax Credit, CHB, Housing/Council Tax Benefit.
Not that I actually care, but seeing as you like blaming everything on particular minority groups and all.
the system is in such a bad state
Don't get me wrong, our benefits system could be improved in many ways. But as with many problems, it's easier to pick holes than to find improvements. We have a benefits culture problem, and the current legislation doesn't effectively address the situation. It's all about finding a balance, which is easier said than done.
I'm just saying that there should be more of a link between the two, so that bonehead chavs that come from family where whole generations haven't worked, don't get such an easy ride.
I totally agree.
Enjoying laughing your f*****g ass off. As Shelley said, you knew what I was getting at.
Yeah, but it was a bit of a silly idea. Don't take it personally.
If your dad is so rich, then why are you working in a dole office ?
I don't live off my old man and I don't work in a dole office.
Exactly. Do you think that the brides in arranged marriages that were shipped over here 15-20 years ago flourished and are now fully contributing members of society, or are some simply non-English speaking baby-machines that have no choice but to rely on the state ? The system encourages life-time benefit dependency.
True, just as it encourages teenage pregnancy... House, benefits... if you don't need to work then why would you bother? Like I said, identifying the problem is one thing, introducing effective legislation to deal with the problem is another.
