History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]


Those who didn't fight were still more numerous by far.


I did read it and I wrote in my very first post - the topic is silly. I only posted her because of some factual errors and illogical assumptions.

As for the topic itself - talk till cows come home. There is no answer.

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]


Yes, some Poles did, but many more than that didn't. That's why it doesn't make sense to suppose what wudda shudda based on actions of negligible minority, while neglecting the majority.


AK fought against the Soviets but they did not fight with the Germans. Since AK fought against Germans too we might as well speculate that in the "wudda shudda" scenarion no, AK would not fight with the Germans but with the Russians. Vastly more Poles fought against the Germans with the Russians than with the Germans against the Russians.

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History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]


History shows that, except for a very, very small group of nationalists, Poles did not fight with the Germans. The 3.7 million of ethnic Poles who perished during WW2 from German weapons certainly didn't.

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]


Honest answer then - nobody and everybody is right in this thread. We're a debating what cannot be debated since that time is gone and the scenario given for this thread did not occur.

All I know is that during WW1 Germans complained how Poles did not want to fight for Germany.

What I posted was only in reference to the Harryfying post. Based on actions of a few hundred Harry draws his conclusion about the entire nation, and he considers those very few representative of the Polish people. He does not mention Poles as the 4th largest military force in Europe fighting against Germans. In his usual anti-Polish way he always desecrates the memory of millions of Poles who Perished killed by the nazis. I don't think those would be willing to fight with the Germans.

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]


"they" is a big word and it refers to about 1500 racists, much like KKK or Harry.

So based on history a fair estimate would be that no, Poles would not fight on the German side, although there would be a tiny group of those Poles who would.

History / "Shafting the Poles" [44]


Would you like Brits to have exclusive rights to begging?


"A mercenary (...) motivated to take part in the hostilities essentially by the desire for private gain and, in fact, is promised, by or on behalf of a party to the conflict, material compensation substantially in excess of that promised or paid to combatants of similar ranks and functions in the armed forces of that Party" (Additional Protocol I to the Geneva Convention of August 1949).

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercenary

The war cost Poland more than the cost of the repairs of the equipment they used. Poland made no money on this, hence they were not mercenaries.

History / "Shafting the Poles" [44]


It is more honorable to be "begging" for scraps during the mission the potential benefactor talked you into then begging for help those you later betrayed.

History / "Shafting the Poles" [44]

I read that one soon after it first appeared.
That was at about the same time when Turkey refused to allow US military planes to used Turkish airfields for which they were rewarded $5B.

Life / Polish men in shorts with sandals and socks.. [63]


This is un-Christ like.
He wore sandals, although no socks ;)

Language / Polish etymology [8]


Polish "drewno" - wood

"watra" (Podhale region word for bonefire) - nearly unchanged from "atra", proto-IndoEuropen for fire.

Parasol - from French but used mostly to protect one from rain rather than the sun (-sol)

I always thought Polish names of some months were beautiful and original among the IE languages.

In order from January:

Styczen - connecting the old and the new year.
Luty - freezing, cruel
Marzec (ambiguous origin) either from Latin Mars, or from Slavonic "to be/get cold"
Kwiecien - the (blooming of) flowers month
Maj - Roman origin
Czerwiec - comes from the name of a small insect (czewiec polski) used to manufacture red dye. Possibly from "czerwie", i.e. bee larvae.

Lipiec - the time when linden trees (lipy) blosom
Sierpien - from "sierp" (sickle) used at harvest time
Wrzesien - from "wrzos" (heather)
Pazdziernik - from "pzadzierz", side product in the manufacture of linen.
Listopad - from leaves falling of the trees
Grudzien - from frozen lumps of ground

History / Germans Exiles & Museum in Berlin in the eyes of Poles and UE nationals. [106]


Nothing that doesn't exist is "reality". If they will buy it back then that will be reality. Until then it is not, nostradamus.

USA, Canada / Work ethics in Poland vs US [66]


Looks like you read only posts about the US.


Do I look like being jealous?
I left the US after 5 years and moved to Canada. Hell, no way am I going back to live in the US. Why would I?

USA, Canada / Work ethics in Poland vs US [66]


Hey, but look at the bright side - he could afford the smokes ;)
(btw. few can afford smokes in the US now)

Life / Queering Krakow's Culture - Same-sex pairs of iconic Greek sculptures [16]


Nah, it just geek speak for gays wearing lipstick and mascara.

USA, Canada / Work ethics in Poland vs US [66]

Yes, and it is decimal :)

Life / Polish men in shorts with sandals and socks.. [63]


Incidentally, Canadians are known to be the victims


Like these made in Poland "stopki"?

USA, Canada / Work ethics in Poland vs US [66]

C'mon Krysia, I expected better from you than selling cheap toilet paper :)
Ever considered selling expensive toilet paper?

USA, Canada / Work ethics in Poland vs US [66]


I didn't say you posted to prove anything. Read what I wrote.


Krysia is just having a rant. After all she wasn't really rushing to work hard at the time when she complained on PF that her mom was angry with her for not doing much all day long but browsing the internet. So it's not like her own work ethic is so exemplary.

USA, Canada / Work ethics in Poland vs US [66]

good post kioko. It looks like Americans don't work as hard as Poles after all.

News / I love Poland because... (in 10 words or less) [182]


What about you?

History / any thoughts about Norman Davies ability to present accurate history of Poland?? [12]

What is rare, although lately not exclusive, to Davies is his Polish language skills which give him access to historic sources which are available to others only through translations or commentaries. He is the new breed of students of Poland's history, people who started emerging only after WW2 and who scratched their heads when their realized all they knew about Polish history was mostly from German, occasionally from Russian sources, .

What makes him a true scholar within his field is also his careful attention to context. An act without a context is an abstract idea, pretty much meaningless and useless in the study of history. Unfortunately many, including those posting on this forum are guilty of quick, glitzy statements which result either from ignorance or their political tendencies against most things Polish.

USA, Canada / Work ethics in Poland vs US [66]


Americans hate competition? ;)


True. America ain't what it used to be. I was honestly shocked with the pile of garbage that large parts of the US are.


Perhaps because that's the international standard, and because the US has adopted the metric system in 1866. It is used in US internal and international exchange in science and commerce.

Americans us the metric system daily:

$1 = 100 cents.
Don't you ever buy 2 liter bottles of coke?

btw.

It shall be lawful throughout the United States of America to employ the weights and measures of the metric system; and no contract or dealing, or pleading in any court, shall be deemed invalid or liable to objection because the weights or measures expressed or referred to therein are weights or measures of the metric system. (US Congress, 1866)

USA, Canada / Work ethics in Poland vs US [66]


That wasn't what I saw when I lived in the US.
In NYC Poles never had problems with being hired since they had a reputation of hard workers. Often working 7 days a week 10 to 12 hours. Americans avoided American laborers who had a reputation of being slackers.

In late 1980's I read an article in some NYC paper (don't remember which). According to the stats published in the article Poles in the US were second group in the category of average income (after Japanese). The reason given - Poles obviously want better paid jobs, but if one is not available they don't just wait for it. They way for it while working below their skills and wage expectations to avoid draining their savings.

History / Germans Exiles & Museum in Berlin in the eyes of Poles and UE nationals. [106]


They respond to German arguments. That's different. I don't think there are any organizations trying to get Berlin incorporated into Poland because a few Poles took a leak in a park after a few beers.


The same with Poles.


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Twardowski - Long after Poles :)

History / Germans Exiles & Museum in Berlin in the eyes of Poles and UE nationals. [106]

The only thing to decide is which centuries we should consider. The ones before Germans came to Wroclaw or after? The borders are what they are. Your ancestors screwed up big time in more ways than one.

Not only did they loose the lands they had already controlled, but also they also helped ensure that you will loose the lands that were left over. In reality why should Poles and Germans fight over those lands? The dispute is purely academic. After all Germans as an ethnic group, the uber Alles blonde and blue-eyed ones, are a dying breed anyway. There ain't gonna be 1000 Jahre Reich anymore. Possibly not even 100 Jahre. Poles to follow suit soon. So it is really ridiculous how ethnic Germans would want to screw up what remained of their lives in order to ensure Lebensraum for Turks.

History / Germans Exiles & Museum in Berlin in the eyes of Poles and UE nationals. [106]

Read my story about little Johnny's bicycle ;)

History / Germans Exiles & Museum in Berlin in the eyes of Poles and UE nationals. [106]


A fact you like to ignore is that her father was born in Hanau (West Central Germany), and her mother was born in Bremen (North West Germany), hundreds of miles from Silesia.

History / Germans Exiles & Museum in Berlin in the eyes of Poles and UE nationals. [106]

Steinbach was born on a territory annexed by Germans in 1939. Her claims to the area of her birth are legit as long as she decides she wants to live in Poland, since that's where Rumia is located and has been for quite some time.

In general, the Germans claims look like this:

Daddy has a son, let's say a little Johnny. Johny wants a bicycle and daddy has the $100 to buy it. On his way from work daddy breaks into Mr. Brown's house and steals a bicycle. Johnny gets what he wants and is very happy.

A few days later two cops come over and arrest Johnny's daddy. Daddy goes through court proceedings, and he is sentenced to a $100 fine. He also has to return the bicycle he had stolen from Mr. Brown.

Now Johny is suing Mr. Brown for both the bicycle and for the $100.

History / Germans Exiles & Museum in Berlin in the eyes of Poles and UE nationals. [106]

I don't see a problem with the museum. In Berlin they also have the wonderful Pergamon Museum. Should we be expecting a return of Ramzes III?


The borders were not decided by Poles. They were decided by Soviets, Americans and Brits. Those who moved to what is now (and used to be, centuries ago) Western Poland did not do that exactly voluntarily. The resettlement was forced on both Germans and Poles.

History / Poland: dont blame us its the Germans. [174]


In a way it's exciting to see the beast pumping itself up. Maybe he's a hight blood pressure type and he'll explode with a stroke one day :)

On the other hand, you're right I kinda stepped into a pile of excrement under the nick of Harry.