News / NEW PATRIOT MISSILES FOR POLAND [178]


International organisation with an intention to introduce a supranational political and social order.


You mean how they financed several of the Crusaders for example? Some of the largest French contributors get some pretty favourable loans.

As for you Scrappleton you're hopeless, i'm done with you permanently, you're either someones sock account here to stip it up or you're really that stupid, either way i'm not going to reply to you anymore.

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So you didnt fight a civil war? You never had racial riots in which thousands died?


Greeks who were the most refined civiliasion and the pinnacle of intelectual achievement for millenia were constantly making war on themselves? Are you saying the greatest civilisations on this planet were dumb?:)


That proves intent, not time of conception when said intent was born.

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If we're going by NWO then according to most theories it existed centuries before United States was even conceived, so its the other way around, the globalists contributed both to the creation of EU and USA though i have my doubts.

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I know quite a few smart ones, you however are pretty stupid yeah.


You continue to make up stuff and lie and ignore facts, how did USA contribute to the creation of European Union?:)


How?:)


Given that Poles advanced computer science, Germans advanced Atomics and rocketry and most of the science you use today is based on European advances (you used Russian rockets to propell your satelites into space:) ) thats another rather rash statement you made.

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I'm asking you, got any source?


Thats not what you claimed, you claimed he wanted to kill all Germans, as for officers and breaking up the country, thats what he historically did so whats your point? But where did he said all that?:)


And then turned pink, initiate the fusion engine in his ass and fly to Mars to colonize it with his clones because Scrappleton said so, how about you stop writing your own version of history, Stalin never demonstrated, implied or in any way gave a hint of readiness for wholesale European genocide.


4 years after the war, wholesale genocide via nuclear weapons would require peppering Europe with so many nuclear bombs that the fallout would mess up Russia as well, not to mention Stalin or Russia were just not prepared to do something like that, ever.


Are you an idiot? No wait of course you are but saying that most of population of a continent that just endured a world war is pacifist is well... fvcking stupid, saying that most of the population is unarmed is also bloody stupid for the above reason, not to mention most Russian soldiers were just not prepared to wage such war, if they were then Chechenya would get depopulated by now, its not.


Its not boasting, its about facts, you can disagree with me about the interpretation of facts, the problem is you dont know anything about anything as far as European history (and i suspect American one) and run on your own merry conclusions based on your own world view with zero reference to real life or history.


Given that we built palaces paved roads and were a major cultural contributor in Europe centuries before you even started living in houses built of wood and mud thats a pretty wild statement to make from an American.


Given then for a better part of a thousand years everyone immigrated to Poland rather then from it i beg to differ:)


Reading doesnt hurt, go read, when you have even the basic facts right return to discuss, dont expect any respect or recognition if you come here with a hillbilly version of worlds history and start selling your moronic views to people, if you're a clown people will laugh, thats how it works.

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For agreement to be reached both sides have to be able to reach a common field that benefits both of them, at present there exists no such long term field between Europe and Russia.


In a defensive war or operation in the Ukraine? It most likely can.


In this case i prefer to trust the military spending, the way Russia performed in Georgia and the potential of both countries, respective Russian units have 1/10th funding of the Polish units, this practically guarantees poor performance across the board by the Red Army as well as the fact that the amount of active equipment is only a small fraction of what they actually have.

Not long ago General Petrov something made a controversial statement that Russia is capable of fielding a fighting force of a quarter of a million, at most, any Russian force is unlikely to outnumber Poles more then 2 to 1 across the board and with our military being orderd of magnitude better prepared.


And that gave Russians a right to interfere into what was basically an internal struggle of a country?


Yes, it also restored peace in 1939 when it invaded Poland, you sure you're not related to Chamberlain Sean? I'm sure the Sudeten Germans would just love you as their spokesman.


Oh please dont make me dig through oddles of topics, i'll catch you in the Khazar or whatever thread.


So taking away the Sovereignty of Baltic Republics and limited the capacity for independent governance of half of Europe for over four decades was what? Bringing the light of democracy?

You suffer the same blindsight as most Westerners, whats harsh realism is for you "Polish Russophobia".

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Was it paranoia in Georgia? Oh wait Georgia had no right to put its rogue provinces in line, they were lucky that noble Russians invaded them... err saved them.

Now lets transfer the situation to Ukraine, Russia has every "rational" reason to invade them given the ports on the Crimean coast and the minority there, how long before Poland makes a move that emboldened Russia just wont accept?


Yes, and typically it means that your immidiate argument is correct but then based on that you make conclusions that more sometimes far fetched.


To be specific i except Russia agitating a break up of Ukraine, if they fail or if Ukraine attempts (which it will) to prevent a break up via military action they will most definitely invade.


Partially, that will mainly be caused by Russia not willing to let a country become sovereign, Russian goal is to dominate and exploit in a fashion that makes EU and US look like puppies.


Absolutely, i always underlined how i disagree with us holding on to US which is basically a hostile state since its interests are in stark contradiction to Polish national interest and at a larger scope to the European interests.


Again to be specific, Russia was bought so she doesnt meddle that much, in the end if US/Israel invade or bomb Iran Russia will meddle anyway, there's too much capital in there but US bought itself breathing room with the shield stunt.

Personally i believe they will bomb/invade Iran but they had to placate Russia untill the better time comes within the coming months when jews and yanks will be ready to strike hoping for relatively small backlash from China and Russia.

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By your logic 90% of Israel isnt Jewish.

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How anti-Polish :-)))


They make more sense then Jewish Nazis though (and living in Israel to boot) :)))

News / NEW PATRIOT MISSILES FOR POLAND [178]


Belarus and Russia are the potential enemies right now, with proper distribution of funds we're capable of developing a conventional military that can effectively defend our interests against those.


Sean while i agree with some of your conspiration theories we live in a certain reality that dictates our actions and decisions.


Ukraine is already in the harms way bordering Russia.


I dont care much about the shield or Iran, for me its an American ploy.


No we dont, not an effective strategic shield anyway, tactical protection of the crucial regions yes, but for that in turn we dont have the money.

However US shield was never meant as protection from anything, it was a political move to draw Russia into an anti-Iranian party.

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And integrate then with Ukraine and Germany and EU at large.


I'm pretty sure most of us dont trust USA.

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See, thats the problem with you, you're like a monkey attempting physics, there've multiple repeated riots and upheavals in Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Yugoslavia, Poland, i'm not even going into how turbulently the communism fell and that the first riots started in the 50s.

The problem with you Scrappleton is not that you're unpleasant or anti-something, you're just dumb, ignorant and uneducated, get some booktime before you come back.


Not once since you registered here.


For how long? They lost approximately 30% of their able bodied men, the survivors were often crippled, Russia was severely battered and you're postulating they expand resources to occupy Germany, France, Itally, Spain, Portugal, Low countries, UK?


Was he? Last i checked Stalin had no formal or informal plans to genocide the Germans, what are you basing that claim on?


No but its one of the most tightly packed, EU alone beats US in regards of population by over 180 milion people, of course it was adequately less in 1945 but so was Russia and Russia was badly depopulated.

Russia alone had approximately 140 milion people, substract women, children,the elderly and you're left with maybe 30 milion men, Russia lost over 20 milion citizens, over 15 milion males, either in executions or war effort, at the end of the war Russia was left with perhaps 15 milion men who could potentially serve in the army and you still need to repopulate, rebuild the economy, Russia would have long term issues with holding a gigantic population like Europe under boot, especially if it was farther away from the border.

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So? Russia would be unable to hold all of Europe just like it was unable to hold just half of it, in fact its likely that because of the larger mass of people and area communism would collapse that much sooner and we'd have 20 years extra to rebuild.


Last i checked the only truly destructive war was WW2. WW1 was exhausting of course but it was quite different in nature, being a military conflict that hardly affected civilians (relative to WW2.

As for my degrees, they have nothing to do with me having basic historical knowledge and you having none whatsoever.

But hey just 50 years before WW1 you had your own war during which you had concentration camps for your own citizens, you stripped half of your country of resources and enslaved the provinces that tried to break free:)

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When did Europe run to US to save them? If you mean WW2? Russia saved Europe not USA.

If you mean WW1 US saved France and UK, thats hardly saving Europe :) Or do you mean Poland?

Poland was never saved by USA in fact USA had a very hostile policy towards Poland in Yalta and when Poland was the part of the Eastern block it was the prime target to US nukes.

So US alternates from neutral to hostile in Polish case.


Well a battery of patriots is hardly any protection.


Even though EU got created by Europeans without any involvement by America? You're an idiot chump.


Unlike Americans in their civil war...oh wait :)


Not really, there's a lot more that we can agree then what we cant and our issues are more of a pissant nature then going to war, but hey i'm sure you with your extensive historical and political knowledge (sic!) are the guy to judge! :))

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Both, those lazy Ukrainians are just no good if you dont whip 'em a few.


If EU would be interested, EU doesnt give a sh*t and will not do so in the future, plus it doesnt really have money to spare to resuscitate economies that deep down.

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Good question, generally to have buffer territory, notice i never said Poland will take anything from Ukraine, we do not have a geopolitical neccesity to do so, control over some Ukrainian land is likely though as we're the stabilizing force in the region in the event of an upheaval, that means only temporary governance though, not annexing stuff.


People are hungry there now, decent agriculture means zip if your infrastructure and purchase-redistribution organisation suck.


Civil unrest equals civil war between the two sides prior to fragmentation.


No its not, the development of Eastern Poland is going along nicely (though it could go faster) however.


Thats a very good point, and i never said about incorporation or annexation, i'm merely saying that Belarus and Ukraine are prone to upheavals that Russia might or might not have resources to deal with, if it doesnt then the next best thing is Poland.

We could stabilize the region and make Slo and Nathan work as serfs on my farm, i'd ride around on a huge white horse shouting "faster you peasants".


Unlikely, EU made it clear enough it doesnt want Ukraine in anytime soon, eventually we can probably squeeze them in but i wouldnt count on it in the next 20 - 30 years.


Dont draw an equal sign, Polish economy developed in an absolutely lighting speed in the last 20 years, the GDP grew a total of 80%, the economy of Ukraine is actually to shrink by a whooping 20% over the course of the next 2 years.

Given Ukrainian dependency on Russia and the potential split its going to get worse or stay the same for decades.

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While i dont agree with Ironside Ukraine is an inherently unstable state, paradoxally when Poland resurrected itself in the 20s and was a stable strong country everyone kept yapping about how its a seasonal state.

Now when Ukraine got created, an extremely poor and largely unstable state the rhetoric fully applies, what happens if Ukraine falls apart and into a civil unrest? Thats not unlikely.

I'd say that Poland gaining control over its former territories is quite likely.

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Whats Nazi? Claiming that Lwów is historically Polish or that Ukraine has a very small and dwindling economy?

Apart from Ironsides posts all arguments here are historically grounded, are you arguing that we should keep silent about the uncomfortable facts just so we could have good relations?

Off to work.

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That question could have been asked directly after WW2, right now when we spent two generations rebuilding and building up the region while our former territories remain a horrible mess thats just no longer a good trade.


Not much, untill the Orange Revolution of 2004 Ukraine remained a full blown Soviet State with all the bad things that brings, compare the GDP, Ukraine has 10 milion people more then Poland and its GDP is about 55% of the Polish one and apparently decreasing.

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Pretty much but if we got Lwów and a 10+ years of German gdp ... Thats a LOT of money.

Seriously though i dont think we'd be willing to do that, Wrocław got grown into Poland and the amount of work we did in Western Poland is tremendous, its rebuilt very near from scratch.

What you're proposing is to exchange something we built and rebuilt for years for something our neighbours kept ruining for just as long.


Poland is depending on a region 10-20 years behind the Western Europe, Ukraine is 30-50 years behind Poland and not really developing.

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Yeah? Not really, we rebuilt ours, Soviets "rebuilt" theirs, there's a 20 years of development difference between the two.

Lower Silesia is not one of the richest regions because it was German but because we've dumped the elite of our nation here and they put a lot of work into bringing a totally ruined region into shape, on the other hand Ukrainians took over a well developed city and turned it into a dump.

But if Germans were ready to pay for what we've done with the place and we got Lwów and the money i'd be happy to bill them myself.


Have you seen what Ukrainians did to that region? Its a dump, we've got enough small dumps in Eastern Poland to want a big one to top the cake.

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And Germany pays us the equivalent of their decade worth of GDP for rebuilding the regions? Sure!

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She's not submissive mate,she's dead.

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They scream for you to let them go just like Western girls do.


Thats because Czech girls are the ones that most often escape from Southerns cellar.

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Thats better, you sounded almost like a man with nuts, of course you're still a ***** but at least you got the point right, its satisfying to get back at people, especially if they put you down first :)

Now go preach peace, love and forgivness somewhere where they'll appreciate you.

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Tell that to people who found their children frozen to death, tied together with their mothers to a road post, focking forum preacher.


If you found your parents or neighbours half burned in a ditch in a woods you'd say otherwise but then again you're as far from being a man as it can get, now seriously stop preaching.


I also try not to be too much of a hypocrit, revenge is a perfectly understandable form of justice, in case of what happened to Germans post WW2 its hard to think of it in any other way then justice.

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We're going to send you as a one man army to get it back.

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Actually yes, yes they do, its called just punishment and deserved consequences and they most definitely make things right.

I'm tired of all the hippy bull, i for one believe there's times when killing, expelling or inflicting suffering is justified, if someone skullfvcked your elderly mother while you watched you wouldnt play an understanding little bytch, its nice to preach if you're not affected, its also completely worthless.

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Except that post war Germans deserved it.


No they were not atrocities, Germans were not murdered by Poles at large (there might have been a few cases but not much) and just allowing these people to carry on with their lives as if nothing happened would be wrong, they supported an attempt to wipe us out, all of us.

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Absolutely, thats why i'm saying Gdańsk is Polish-German or German-Polish but its not a city one side built without the other however whenever i hear Danzig i feel compelled to stick a historical middle finger out.


Its 01:30 i'm out of movies, cant drink beer with my bloody throat, you try having a flu.


Oh never, but Dresden and Warsaw say its better to fight over those things by the beer then in the trenches and thats definitely achievable.


Given that we have Russia, China and USA as big boys not being a unified continent will lead to other powers forcing their viewpoint down our throat.