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Valenza. "It is to fools we owe the minors joys of life"


ConstantineK 26 | 1,259  
16 Nov 2009 /  #1
Truly my friend, these words from Grisset's comedy describe this man in vivid flashes of wit!
It is true, too, that though those fools may prevent wise man from reaching the aim, they will never be in profit as well, due to their own folly.

Seriousely, do you believe in Providence as I do? that it reveals our either future grief and anguish or joy and happiness, in some veiled minor signs today!

If I had been told some time ago that Valenza would one day be invited by German goverment to serve as a trigger for giant dominoes, I should not have believed it! But mongs attract all pomous and vain grandeur, it is irrevocable decree of nature. And now I am tempted to behold the limits of this foible....

Valenza, and it is only my opinion, represents the true nature of Poland and Poles, whose perpetual inconstancy prevents them from the path of their natural interests, forcing them to play the role of pawn in other's games.

How it happened that ex-Polish president was invited to play a role of Don Quixote during the celebration on the soil of Poland's most bitter foe? What? Poles played the leading role during uniting of Germany? Are you mad?

What further proves to me that the Allmighty Providence has a great plan concerning Poland's fate is that Valensa was injured during this comic scene by the German camera cart. The same is with Poland, now it stalks surrounded by its micro-satellite; tomorrow will be subvented from its hummock and its end will be embittered still more by the knowing that all these misfortunes were inficted by their own blind hands!

But what difference dose it make to you, Poles? You will always have the causes for lamentation in plenty!
Easy_Terran 3 | 312  
16 Nov 2009 /  #2
How it happened that ex-Polish president was invited to play a role of Don Quixote during the celebration on the soil of Poland's most bitter foe?

Commie era came to end in Poland first. Round table happened few months before the Berlin wall fell down. Walesa is a symbol of those changes, hence he was the one to play his role during the celebration.

As for a foe: are you sure? It's Germany and not Russia??
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601  
16 Nov 2009 /  #3
ex-Polish president was invited to play a role of Don Quixote during the celebration on the soil of Poland's most bitter foe?

Interesting way to put it. I recall reading, about a zillion years ago, an essay which suggested that Miguel de Cervantes based Don Quixote on Poland and its constant struggles.

If it wasn't for Walesa and Solidarity Germans would still be looking at the wall.

a great plan concerning Poland's fate is that Valensa was injured during this comic scene by the German camera cart.

Figures. Rumor has it that Bratwurst Boy was seen scampering away right after.......
OP ConstantineK 26 | 1,259  
17 Nov 2009 /  #4
As for a foe: are you sure? It's Germany and not Russia??

Sure we both threaten Poland, but please, just figure out present situation first!

1. Present Poland's boarders were formed at the expence of Germany. Russia had already made good at Poland's expance and we don't need anymore....

2. Meanwhile Germany has some plans to take their hystorical lands back in their Reih!

Interesting way to put it. I recall reading, about a zillion years ago, an essay which suggested that Miguel de Cervantes based Don Quixote on Poland and its constant struggles.

For sure, when he had written his work, he had meant exactly Poland. Miserable and poor person.....
jwojcie 2 | 763  
17 Nov 2009 /  #5
Ech, ConstantineK, your sorrow and regret that USSR collapsed is blinding you :-)
Relationships between Poland and Germany are one of the best in entire history despite all well know issues. Thread after thread you try to spark some conflict where there is none...

One of the most amusing statements made by Russian for Pole is this:

Valenza, and it is only my opinion, represents the true nature of Poland and Poles, whose perpetual inconstancy prevents them from the path of their natural interests, forcing them to play the role of pawn in other's games.

Because regardles of which pawn Poland is or isn't at present, Pole sees at ance that the only purpose of such statement is expresion of the sorrow that Poland is not Russian pawn like it used to be...

Regarding to Valenza. Of course that USSR colapsed because of many factors, probably mainly because of oil prices fall and Afghanistan war, but it is hard to make symbol from oil :-) That is why Valenza is much better for that, Solidarnosc is better for that even if in the bigger picture Poland was just one of the pieces in this domino. And that is why to our Polish regret Berlin Wall fall is a global symbol of this changes now, even if Germans weren't first and most important in 89' revolution...

PS. I still trully belive that in future Polish-Russian relationships can be as good as between others European countries... if only Russia could accept independence of post USSR countries.
Borrka 37 | 594  
17 Nov 2009 /  #6
we don't need anymore....

I'm really sorry Kostik to prove you wrong again but it's Russia claiming German lands Eastwards the Elbe-river:

A RUSSIAN GEOGRAPHY

Moscow and PeterТs town, the city of Constantine,
these are the cherished capitals of the Russian monarchy.
But where is their limit? And where are their frontiers
to the north, the east, the south and the setting sun?
The Fates will reveal them to future generations.
..........
Seven internal seas and seven great rivers
from the Nile to the Neva, from the Elbe to China,
from the Volga to the Euphrates, the Ganges to the Danube.
This is the Russian empire and it will never pass away,
just as the Spirit foretold and Daniel prophesied.

It was Russian diplomat of the highest rank, Mr Tiutchev !
szkotja2007 27 | 1,499  
17 Nov 2009 /  #7
ConstantineK

Were you taught English by a 17th century metaphysical poet ??

tomorrow will be subvented from its hummock and its end will be embittered still more by the knowing that all these misfortunes were inficted by their own blind hands!

Look up the meaning of the word verbose.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,080  
17 Nov 2009 /  #8
KonstantineK is truly unbeatable at his sarcastic derision of Poland! I was just going to point his attention to the recent developments in Russia concerning Russian high rank police officers (!!!) publishing evidence on the internet about how rotten and corrupt the entire police force in Russia are, but I was suddenly stuck at his most strange spelling of the name Wałęsa (Valenza according to Kostek) which made me think at first that he was talking of the Spanish city of Valencia!

May Providence lead KosteK to a more careful spelling of foreign surnames in the future!
OP ConstantineK 26 | 1,259  
17 Nov 2009 /  #9
That is why Valenza is much better for that, Solidarnosc is better for that even if in the bigger picture Poland was just one of the pieces in this domino. And that is why to our Polish regret Berlin Wall fall is a global symbol of this changes now, even if Germans weren't first and most important in 89' revolution...

Ha-ha....symbol? How pitiful your logic is and how perfectly it proves superiority of Russians over all mouse nations of europe!

That you succeeded in obtaining your freedom, I grant you my congratulations, but that you can consider your 'brilliant' accomplishment in this deed as decisive factor, really jwojcie, that is presuming too much upon those turbulent events you had been only weak objects.

Yes, indeed; he is a symbol, but symbol of what? I think that he is the symbol of idiotic obstinacy.... By the way, what would happen if Andropov was president of SU instead of Gorbachev during thous events? Don't strain your brain, I shall help you! All street lamps was hung with such symbols as Valenza or Walensa!

What do you want to say Borrka? WHO CAN BLAME US THAT WE STRIVE FOR BETTER and FERTIL lands than we have now? WHO DARE?

Were you taught English by a 17th century metaphysical poet ??

Alas ! You are right! I like 17-th cent. French literature. English language is as dreary as English Puritan in times of Lord Protector. Why you scold me for my attempt to colour it; though, I admit, with some inaccuracy and even with ridiculous exaltation!

was just going to point his attention to the recent developments in Russia concerning Russian high rank police officers (!!!) publishing evidence on the internet about how rotten and corrupt the entire police force in Russia are

It is a malicious slander! Russia is pure!
pawian 170 | 11,355  
17 Nov 2009 /  #10
WHO CAN BLAME US THAT WE STRIVE FOR BETTER and FERTIL lands than we have now? WHO DARE?

If you really think in such terms, it means that Russians are light years behind civilised world. :):):):) You should already know that it is not fertile land which matters, but economy. For goods and services produced and exported by an efficient economy you can buy any food you want :):):):) Mere land and resources are not enough to play a superpower. :):):):)
jwojcie 2 | 763  
18 Nov 2009 /  #11
That you succeeded in obtaining your freedom, I grant you my congratulations, but that you can consider your 'brilliant' accomplishment in this deed as decisive factor, really jwojcie, that is presuming too much upon those turbulent events you had been only weak objects.

I've clearly wrote:
"(USSR failed) probably mainly because of oil prices fall and Afghanistan war, but it is hard to make symbol from oil :-)"
There is a difference between symbol and real cause. So either you have a problem with reading or your logic is

pitiful

You were surprised why Walesa was one of main figures in Berlin, so I've explained it to you:
it was CELEBRATION. Celebrations requires symbols, especially living symbols. Walesa is one of them. It has nothing to do with all economic and political factors behind Soviets fall.

Yes, indeed; he is a symbol, but symbol of what? I think that he is the symbol of idiotic obstinacy....

He is a symbol of freedom, concept which is probably strange to you. Maybe it will surprise you, but in 80' when there were tanks on Polish streets, many ordinary people in the west (in west Germany too) organized diversed help for Solidarnosc. They knew what was happenig here and they cared (at least a little). That is why even this old Walesa, currently politically not important old man is still symbol for many people in Poland and in the West.

By the way, what would happen if Andropov was president of SU instead of Gorbachev during thous events? Don't strain your brain, I shall help you! All street lamps was hung with such symbols as Valenza or Walensa!

There is no need for brain strain to know that. That is the exact reason why every person with a common sense in Poland don't shed single tears over Soviet Union. That is the exact reason why every human with a little respect toward human life couldn't belive that supposedly democratic president of Russia, Vladimir Putin said that the collapse of the Soviet empire “was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century”. Most people in Poland don't share this sentiment, deal with it.
szczeciniak 4 | 92  
18 Nov 2009 /  #12
WHO CAN BLAME US THAT WE STRIVE FOR BETTER and FERTIL lands

where did i hear that before????
a, yes ""mein kampf"" a very inspiring book( for fascists)
afganistan was too much for you? you need to strive for more? and than what? you run down that fertile land and starve to extinction. like you(commis) did in ukraine?

yes ,stalin was a genius in your case anyway. your nkwd imperialistic mentality is his genius at work.
grow up of it or stay in it ,as you wish!!
you thread :It is to fools we owe the minors joys of life

no, it is to greats we own the minors joys of life
word of truth, shield of faith, and two edge sword.

can a comunist be fascist ?
Ziemowit 13 | 4,080  
18 Nov 2009 /  #13
It is a malicious slander! Russia is pure!

I will have mercy on you not to quote Russian sources that give unprecedented examples of brutality and torture commited every day on innocent people by the Russian militia (police). You must clearly be a faithful believer in Putin and the KGB!
OP ConstantineK 26 | 1,259  
22 Nov 2009 /  #14
You can quote everything you want without any sucess of persuading me. It is not that I am dunderhead or blind fanatic, simply you are not living in Russia and all your sources are utterly precarious...

What I must tell you about, is that Russian militsiya, for the most part, is relatively polite, honest and fair. Yes, you are right in one thing, there are some problems with legality, but I want to assure you that all exaggerations are falling on those who deserve it!

I live here 33 years, and I am, as you understand it, quite law-abiding citizen; I don't have any problems with militsiya accordingly!

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