Should we use original name of Berlin - "Kopanica"

Okay, I repeat:

You are writing in english, does that make you English/American? No, but I bet at home you speak polish! Well Kopernikus spoke and wrote German...there are no pieces found where he uses polish...curious, isn't it!

Why German Nazis were kidnaping kids (with blue eyes) in Zamość and giving them for families in Germany (south east Poland) - region without strong German influence ? Parents didn't want to listen that their nose or eyes prove their origin they had Polish names and surnames and were living in Poland for thousends years...

Read something about those ancient tribes you claim to be German ?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vistula_Veneti

Ummm...you know Luki...it's over and for more than 60 years at that!
Join the living....:)


I just remember writing something about a german tribe, the Semnoni which lived in the Berlin area BEFORE the Slavs pushed in from the East...not about the Veneti!

Not curious at all, during his time there were two languages spoken in Toruń German and Polish. Many Poles speak Russian or at least studied the language including myself dose that make me Russian?

Well, when you ignore the language being spoken (with German the native tongue and Latin the tongue of the "intelligentsia) can you also readily ignore the Watzenrode family where he stems from?

Did you know that his father held a position in the Torn city court only accessible for Germans?

Some sources state that his Father was from Cracow another fine German City. German was dominant language at that time in Toruń and the language of administration so for him to speak German was only logical wouldn’t you say.

Do you think he grew up in Polish?

Stemming from a german family, growing up with german language and culture, writing his famous works in german and latin...what do you think makes him polish actually?

What has polish culture and people done for him? How did they made him to the famous scientist that he was?

There was No German or Polish distinction at that time only a subject of the King.

But still you are claiming him all for yourself (whereas I was ready to share him)!

No I have already compromised. So my argument was that even Prussians in 1850 did not claim him to be German but in the inscription on the monument stated as from Toruń. Mind you that was at the time when Poland did not exist and they were not so bold to call him German.

At least our claim is much better founded and reasoned than yours....so you either share him or you will be left with empty hands, it's that easy!

ec.europa.eu/kopernikus/index_en.htm


I can live with that! :)

Well i think all these places are rightfully English...just because we didn,t actually sail there and stick our flag in it , as we did for most of the rest of the world does not mean its not British.....so there....!

Recent claim because in 1850 this notion did not exist. Rewriting the history again there BB.

Me and the whole European Union it seems! :)

ec.europa.eu/kopernikus/overview.htm


I can live with that! :)

PS: Sometimes rewriting history is necessary when said history is flawed or just plain wrong! Poles really seem selective about facts and history...you NEED rewriting!

I don't want to push anybody form Berlin (Kopanica) if this people with as you claim with Slavic heritage (because of their noses and eyes) prefere to be German it is their choice. For us they were like Czechs or Slovaks. Now they are Germans and it is their choice (or unconsciousness) they have mixed a lot with "you" so it would be hard to find them all ... maybe slavic Hitler would help ;). If you talk about heritage coming form eyes or noses we can talk about it.

Lusatians know about their origin and are good German citizens but they continue some traditions which are forgotten in Berlin(Kopanica) or Rostock.

I have no problems with the Sorbs, they are popular here in Germany.
Most Germans visit at least once the Spreewald and their customs and Spreewaldgurken are well liked...what is your problem Lukas?


Er...no!

This reminds me of the Nazi expedition to Tibet, to find hidden past of an imaginary Aryan race. LOL

Yeah I saw that movie...Brad Pitt did the worst Austrian accent of all time.

Yes? Tell me more about the connection please...

It’s a script for a science fiction movie that’s all.

???

Sometimes I read articles like this one that are written by people who go against the grain of generally held beliefs. Just occasionally, people who think outside of the box may just be onto something. Not in the case of the people who believe that 300 years were inserted into world history in the early middle ages, but this one about the Veneti may be plausible.

paabo.ca/uirala/uini-name.html

If anyone's really bored and has time to read it, what do you think?

Okay...I bite...give us the gist of it please! :)

I just know that Germans/Germany has gotten many different names over the times, mostly because of the biggest tribe foreigners came in contact with and which left the deepest impressions....

de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsch_in_anderen_Sprachen

Nothing is so changing all the time as the language...even as we speak today our languages are changing.

This is a tricky situation. The problem is that Germany also did a "job" in Poland. They used explosives.

But a lot has been rebuilt though. For instance what Germans turned into 90% of rubble is now again a vibrant city of Warsaw.

Good Brat lol :)

My point is that you like to talk about heritage coming form blood and we know what kind of blood mixes Germans have...

Some Poles are not concious about all blood they have from ancient times ...


wait a second ...

Well, Germany survived the 30 years war, somehow the 100 years war and uncounted wars before, between and after.
We had a forced brain drain most of our history and many other countries profited from this and still...look what we made of it!


Sorry, it's YOU who brings this on the threads again and again...only you!
I really don't know why you want to make Germans to Slavs...aren't you proud of what you Slavs are? Isn't that enough?

It is you who try to divide Polish citizens using blood key... I wouldn't like to be German ... I show some facts you nad Crow should face and some Germans should know about their origin as well ... why not ? we live in europe!! Face it - it is true.

Is Prince Crow and £ukasz love child?

Poland survived 1000 years of wars with Germans, Russians, Swedes and a variety of Asians. It also survived over 100 years of occupation by Germans and Russians. Most European countries had a significant brain drain too. Some of Polish drain brain was a pretty peculiar one though and this is just one of many examples.

It is Luki I think!

The same arguments and topics again and again and again and again and again and....


Well....and?