We often heard about Stasi,KGB and Securitate in former eastern Block countries.Was there a polish equivalent?Or was it rather soft and of no importance?
Was there a polish Stasi?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C5%82u%C5%BCba_Bezpiecze%C5%84stwa
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Public_Security_of_Poland
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Public_Security_of_Poland
We often heard about Stasi,KGB and Securitate in former eastern Block countries.Was there a polish equivalent?Or was it rather soft and of no importance?
Shocking ignorance.
Yes there was a Polish secret police , and they were every bit as unpleasant to get on the wrong side of as the kgb or other such people....
Shocking ignorance.
That means there's room to learn.
Was there a polish equivalent?
I honestly think there is no equivalent to speak of since those organizations where in one way or another dependent or subservient to the Soviets, it was really just one long arm of the KGB. But since your asking of the Polish 'arm', like Ewcinka pointed out, it's the Służba Bezpieczęństwa, or SB for short, it's predecessor was the UB or Urząd Bezpieczęństwa, much worse than the SB since it was filled to the brim with hardcore Stalinists.
was it rather soft and of no importance?
That depends on the time period, toward the mid 70's early 80's I would have to say that they turned soft and of no importance once they knew that the vast majority of Poles stopped fearing them and they started fearing the vast majority of Poles. They black mailed, bargained and bribed more than they tortured during that period, more effective and less laborious.
toward the mid 70's early 80's I would have to say that they turned soft and of no importance
Murdering priests and students is soft for you?
I honestly think there is no equivalent to speak of
So you don't think the East German Stasi had anything to do with the KGB or the Soviets?
wildrover:
Shocking ignorance.
Shocking ignorance.
Err wasn,t me that said that.....
Przepraszam wildrover. I honestly don't know why your name popped up, I quoted 1 jola, or so I thought. If anything, I owe you a beer.
Wow!
I guess I should of said, 'affiliates' instead of 'one long arm of the KGB'.
No, murdering priests and students isn't soft, but low and cowardly for me. The degree and extent to where actions such as those where carried out decreased tremendously compared to the period prior to the mid 70's and on into the 80's, so yeah they became rather soft, which is why I said they relied more on black mail, bargaining and bribes than torture and murder, less effective. After Popiełuszko's murder, no esbek would dare even mention where he worked, one of the reasons they became 'unimportant', because people where disgusted with them more than they were afraid of them. Compared to their 'glory days', yeah, they went very 'soft' and 'unimportant' when the threat of death and even the carrying of it out didn't bring the desired results.
So you don't think the East German Stasi had anything to do with the KGB or the Soviets?
Wow!
since those organizations where in one way or another dependent or subservient to the Soviets
I guess I should of said, 'affiliates' instead of 'one long arm of the KGB'.
Murdering priests and students is soft for you?
No, murdering priests and students isn't soft, but low and cowardly for me. The degree and extent to where actions such as those where carried out decreased tremendously compared to the period prior to the mid 70's and on into the 80's, so yeah they became rather soft, which is why I said they relied more on black mail, bargaining and bribes than torture and murder, less effective. After Popiełuszko's murder, no esbek would dare even mention where he worked, one of the reasons they became 'unimportant', because people where disgusted with them more than they were afraid of them. Compared to their 'glory days', yeah, they went very 'soft' and 'unimportant' when the threat of death and even the carrying of it out didn't bring the desired results.
wildrover:
So you don't think the East German Stasi had anything to do with the KGB or the Soviets?
So you don't think the East German Stasi had anything to do with the KGB or the Soviets?
Ahem....wasn,t me that said that either....you are not cross eyed are you....? Thats two beers now.....and counting..!
Ahem....wasn,t me that said that either
I know. For some reason osiol's name comes out in the quote which I took from your post. Obviously a glitch.
you are not cross eyed are you....?
Nope.
Thats two beers now.....and counting..!
See what I mean, now I gotta erase all the names from these quotes and put the proper names in by myself.
Thats two beers now.....and counting..!
Seeing it's a glitch how about I drink a whole bottle of przepalanka to your health instead?
how about I drink a whole bottle of przepalanka
Oh ok....but i think my health would be better if you let me drink it...?
Well, just remember, if you aren't woken up the next morning by the sounds of your liver crying next to you, the przepalanka was no good.