Should Russia pay compensation claims for the families "Stalin" removed?

Poland is stuck with the bill for the compensation to the families that lived in "Eastern Poland". This was decided by "communist" Poland in 1945. In other words, "Stalin". Stalin also compensated some families for this property by taking the property from "Western Germany". For "Soviets" this was a win-win as they took the eastern property. So now we have Poland being abused once more. To try putting a guilt trip on the Polish that claim compensation is not fair as this is saying it's ok to leave them as victims once more. If "Russia" took responsability for this it would also show a nation that they want a strong, trusting relationship with Poland. What do you think?

They will never pay any compensations, so there's not much sense to talk about It.

With all the freedom to speak out maybe it would be best, not that it would bring the love ones back.

I don't think Russia should pay those compensations.

Why?

Celinski read about who were the perpetrators behind the Russian revolution. The Russian and Ukranian people suffered most from Bolshevik-Jewish political Commissar's crimes.

uuuuuuhhhhhhhh no, its a stupid idea, its on a par with the english paying out the the families of slaves!!!!

If it was OK for Germany to pay, why would you say Russia should not. Or are you still thinking it was not blood on Stalin's hands and under his leadership that the revenge took place?

A Family Chronicle of Soviet and Nazi Terror

polandsholocaust.org

no mate its just my approach about the past being the past, if we went over every single war crime committed by whoever all around the world, could you imagine???? I wish people would just let it go sometimes, i don't mean forget, i just mean the complaining and moaning. Of course horrible, bad, shocking and whatever else you want to call those sorts of events that happened, it just borders on the rediculous when time after time people want money money money money, i was always under the imporession that people's lives were not valued in monetary terms:)

I would like to suggest Russia step forward and take
responsibility for their actions on Polands People. Reguardless of the time frame the nation must see when crimes are commited the victim's are compensated by the ones that are responsable. Lets not let Poland (the real victims)pay for the sin's of Russia.

A perfect crime is one where the criminal is unknown, in this case we know who did it and yet Russia plays the innocent card. It is only when we can be honest about the actions and Russia takes responsability that trust between Russia and a nation can grow.

Why has Russia not taken responsability? This is simple, no one has told them they must. They claim to be the largest victim due to number of deaths yet many were killed by "Stalin" himself. They say "Communist Poland" /"Soviet run" compensated with "Germany" property. This stealing from one to pay another only added another

victim. "Stalin" takes eastern Poland and charges it to Germany.

Poland being free to speak out as to the crimes commited has really just started. "Katyn" is a true story and just has broken the ice for the whole story to come to light. History will show the world the full truth in time. I suggest Russian's be brought up to date on the standards. It may even change the way the world view them?

ok yes, polish victims again, your right you 'were' victims. I think that is the point here 'were' why chase russia around for words that they probably don't even mean and probably don't care for. How many of the russians who committed these crimes are even a live and if they are there not really in positions of any power.


Russia can grow whether or not they say 'sorry' for whatever you want them to say sorry for, who cares outside of poland, do you think russia cares if poland dosen't like it or not?? i doubt it.


they don't care, why do you feel it would be at the top of their minds, i bet they don't give a damn. Whats the point in hearing 'sorry' if they don't care and don't mean it, its worthless.


as i said before i don't think the rest of the world cares that much, if that was the case russia would have been forced to say sorry or pay up but they haven't so i don't really think the rest of the world cares, to be honest i can't say i'm that bothered, either for the crimes against poland or any crimes against the uk. It was in the past. People responsible are either dead or not in any position of power or responsibility.

Sorry mate its nothing personal or even against poland, i would feel the same if it was my own nation, i mean do we scream at the italians for an apology because of what the Romans did, no we don't.

Oh yes thye should pay, the other question is that we are able to force them to pay ;-).

The people that lost their homeland care, I care. Germany is still writing check as is Poland. This to me is crazy, Poland writing checks to Poland's people for Russian's actions. Yes there are many alive in fact war criminals are being tried today.

yes its ok you that you care and who eve else cares, if the russians don't then there is not much point in getting an apology, if it means nothing. What about the point that human lives etc cannot be estimated in money???

My groups from eastern Poland care. Family that had victims "Katlyn" care. I think the numbers would suprize you.

polishclaims.isuisse.com/links.htm

mate i'm sure they do, however the reality is that if nobody outside of poland cares then nothing will be done, your wasting your time chasing this. Russia dosen't care, the rest of the world couldn't care less so why why why why bother asking for an apology that nobody cares about and that would be given without meaning???

We are nation wide look under. Victims of Stalin in Eastern Poland

chgs.umn.edu/webBib/links/uv.html

i think you've missed my point, if enough people cared then something would already have been done

Poland was unable to speak of the crimes until 1989. Deadline is Dec. 2008. People are now speaking out and writing congress.


Here is a very good book on why so many may seen not to care. It is how this "Soviet Genocide" had been treated.

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Soviet Genocide against the Polish People

pyrford.com/pp51.html


Now they are starting to care.

MEPs call for EU stance on communist crimes

By Lucia Kubosova
EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - Several members of the European Parliament have called on the EU to formally recognise crimes committed by Stalinist regimes and compensation for its victims on the same terms as victims of the Nazis.

euobserver.com/9/26021

mate i'm not questioning if it happened or not, i think that people know it was a true event so there is no need to post me more websites of these things. Its not the events i'm questioning, its the point of demanding an apology from people who had nothing to do with those events and who don't really care to be honest.


well we will wait and see on that one won't we :) i wouldn't be surprised if they said that just to seem PC about the whole situation. A lot of war crimes get swept under the carpet don't they and this is probably no different.

Todays Germans had nothing to do with what took place in ww2 yet they are still saying sorry and writing checks. This was not a small war crime this is over a million killed and a country taken over for fifty years and silenced by the ones that were responsable.


Thank you for not questioning but there are many that deny and change history.

i may have strong views on leaving the past in the past but i would never deny what has happened.


that is the decision taken by the Germans themselves, for better or for worse, if somebody wants to apologise then let them and accept it. I was always told that a forced apology is not an apology at all, so why would you want one of them??

It's the right thing to do.


I feel this was not made by the German's but society made them take responsability, Soviet was the main inforcer of this as they were placing all the blame on Germany.


I look at this as healing. Most Polish do not trust Russian's and I feel it is due to not telling the truth and taking responsability. In order to renew a proper place in the nation IMO Russia must show they can be trusted.

what even if it dosen't mean anything, does this mean you don't care about the apology rather that it puts russia in a bad light??? maybe its more anit-russian than concern for your countries losses. I said that because you would be recieving an apology worth nothing.


ok maybe it was forced on them, so what your really saying is that enough people around the world cared therefore the germans had to act. If it was the same for the russians i'm sure they would apologise, however it just backs my point that not enough people care.


healing, may i ask your age, were you directly effected by what the russians did??

Yes I was, does it show?


To not say sorry puts them in a bad light.


No, What I am saying is because of the power "Stalin" was given, the nation has been lied to. Now that Poland is free and the truth is out, the people are asking for Russia to do what Germany has done all along. Take responsability, accountability, tell the victims you are sorry. Why do so many feel they must baby and walk on egg shells for Russia, I really don't understand?


IMO this would be the best move Russia could make. I know Russian's in the USA and they aggree. To continue to live this lie makes them look foolish. This is not anti anything in fact with the truth comes a trusting relationship where Poland and Russia can grow closer vs. the past keeping them apart and Poland unable to trust their neighbor.

Celinski is correct: if Russia accepts responsibility, then healing can begin. Denial only makes a fool out of the current Russian Regime.

If Russia does finally apologize, then it is true: a trusting relationship can begin to grow, between Russia and the Ukraine. Neighbors should be there to cover each others backs, NOT tear each other apart!

Celinski's family and my family were directly affected by WW2, and mine by WW1. But more than anything, I would like the healing to begin, in MY LIFETIME!

Yes, betrayals were by another generation - so, let the NEW generation jump start the healing, so we can let our beloved family members, who lay in unmarked mass graves finally...finally rest in peace, and our hearts be made light.

That is what is desired, instead of the dregs of the vicious regime pretending none of it ever happened. My great-grandfather dying, my great-aunts, great-uncles murdered just because, and all those family members who I never got to know, simply because they were intelligent, and powerful. Thank God they got many family members out in two waves, but still paid the ultimate price with their lives.

I'll never get the image of my grandmother, reliving what happened to her out of my mind, when she was in her mid-'90s, until this is done and over.

Rest peacefully, Babka...it will happen, dear one. You and the others are all in my heart, never forgotten.

Julie,

My family were also affected in WW1. I find my strength in my the family I lost, or never got to know as they were victims of crimes as Poland was attacked from all sides.

Yet in the west this history needs to be written in truth. I think with people like yourself bringing forth history, we shall see in the near future not just a transformation of Russia but a growth.

I am sure your Babka and other loved ones smile down on the family represenitive you have become. While they were silenced, you speak on their behalf.