Poland war propaganda poster - can anyone explain this picture?

Shawn_H

27 Oct 2008 / #121

This is a German poster from the early WW2 time

That is interesting, so it really would be propaganda then.

Just to clarify propaganda URL

Not knowing the source of the poster, I assumed it was of Polish origin. If it had been created by a Polish editorialist, it may not be considered propaganda. When the source was clarified, I realized that, "Yes this is propaganda".

Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11820

27 Oct 2008 / #122

From Dokumentation der deutsch-polnischen Tagung (in PDF format)

That is all very nice Krzystof but the non-aggressions pact ended at the first of september 1939 and Germany occupied Poland for more than 4 years afterwards - lots of time, space and reason for hate propaganda.

Also we had a non-agressions pact with the Soviets earlier too but that didn't hinder anti-soviet war propaganda poster later!

So no, that too is not an explanation!

Bratwurst Boy,
If you do read something connected or just interesting, give us the gist, please

Okay....rough translation:

6. Professor Dr. Klaus Zieme (page 13):
Während der Geltungszeit des Nichtangriffspakts mit Polen von 1934 bis zum Frühjahr 1939
wurde die antipolnische Propaganda aus taktischen Gründen vermindert. Das negative
Polenbild blieb jedoch erhalten und wurde nach dem Überfall Deutschlands auf Polen
reaktiviert, z.B. bezüglich des sog. Bromberger Blutsonntags vom 3.09.1939, bei dem
Volksdeutsche in Polen umkamen, deren Zahl aber extrem übertrieben wurde. Die Ermordung
der polnischen Elite war Teil von Hitlers Zielsetzung, um seine Konzeption durchzusetzen,
„Lebensraum“ für Deutsche zu schaffen. Es müsse, so Hitler in den Instruktionen für die
Wehrmachtsführung zum Feldzug gegen Polen, „mit aller Härte“ vorgegangen werden.

The gist of it:

"The Nazis lessened anti-polish propaganda tactically somewhat because the non-agression pact with Poland 1934-1939.
The negative Poland image stayed however and was reactivated for example after the "Bromberger Blutsonntag" as ethnic Germans were murdered..."

But....WHERE IS IT???

OP SeanBM 34 | 5781

27 Oct 2008 / #123

If it had been created by a Polish editorialist, it may not be considered propaganda.

?
really, why? I don't understand what you mean there?

When the source was clarified, I realized that, "Yes this is propaganda".

Ah I see what you mean here, excuse me.

Poznan 5 | 46

27 Oct 2008 / #124

Bratwurst:

Hitler wanted aliance with Poland but he was unsuccesful. After all, it is very good that Poles have choosen allies. With Poland on your side you would win this war without problems but it wouldn't be good for Poland and for Germany.

Germans have done what they have done in Poland. Not only Jews were on Hitlers list but ethic Poles as well. Germans wanted to take Polish land and Poles on this land were problem.

Crimes commited on Poles by German army have been presented several times on this forum.

Don't re-write history.

Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11820

27 Oct 2008 / #125

Don't re-write history.

Huh?

Is it forbidden now to ask questions??? Sorry but it IS mystifying to me that nobody seems to be able to find one little piece of anti-polish hate propaganda even as the whole WWII was full of propaganda posters (from all sides).

What has that to do with re-writing history???

With Poland on your side you would win this war without problems

Erm....you sure?

Poznan 5 | 46

27 Oct 2008 / #126

I can't find anti-Polish posters but you can always read Mein Kampf by Hitler or watch his speaches.

Bartolome 2 | 1083

27 Oct 2008 / #127

Erm....you sure?

The history might have been different. With probably no Western Allies engaged in war (Churchill called alliance with Stalin 'A pact with the Devil' or something like that), who knows ? Although it would probably end with making Poland a virtual province of The Reich, I'm afraid. But racial prejudice within Germany was probably the factor that was its doom. Dr Oberlaender, who was a Nazi official for occupied Ukraine, was appalled with German treatment of conquered territories and after being on one occasion heavily rebuked by Hitler (der Fuehrer never minced his words) who refused to lift repressions on Ukraine 'We just lot the war'.

Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11820

27 Oct 2008 / #128

I can't find anti-Polish posters but you can always read Mein Kampf by Hitler or watch his speaches.

Na ja..that didn't stop the Nazis from making anti-jewish movies and posters...

Poznan 5 | 46

27 Oct 2008 / #129

Catholic Poles were not first on the list but were on the list. Maybe if Poles weren't living on land Germans wanted ... German policy would be different like in Czech rep. or like in Slovakia but without posters you killed so many Poles ...

Poland has done very good choice by fighting against Hitlers Germany.

Wroclaw 44 | 5359

27 Oct 2008 / #130

Did a google + images

I have tried to find the poster in the original post. I can't find it.

There are however loads of other posters. It just depends what one writes in the search box.

Some of them are quite interesting.

I do remember a time when collecting such things was banned in the uk. At least the Imperial War Museum stopped selling copies of them. I've no idea what the (stated) reasons were/are.

Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11820

27 Oct 2008 / #131

Still that doesn't explain the lack of propaganda posters against Poles!
The only poster I could find were about Katyn and the german soldier more looks like as if he would be guard the Poles against the Bolsheviks (propaganda I know):

flickr.com/photos/mmarek/1206052678/

Poland has done very good choice by fighting against Hitlers Germany.

Poland were never really given a choice!
It wasn't for nothing that Poland never got the possibility to build a collaboration government as so many other occupied countries had which were at least partly still self-responsible.

celinski 31 | 1258

27 Oct 2008 / #132

So no, that too is not an explanation!

It reminds me of a you tube when Germany entered eastern Poland and the way that Nazi's were seen as coming to save the people. You bring up an interesting point.

Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11820

27 Oct 2008 / #133

Yes....one of the biggest ironies of the history!
It could really have been a liberation. Millions were ready to join the Wehrmacht but Hitler with his conquering- and opression goals blew it all!

Poznan 5 | 46

27 Oct 2008 / #134

There is not German poster. It is form 1939 and Soviet invasion on Poland.

It reminds me of a you tube when Germany entered eastern Poland and the way that Nazi's were seen as coming to save the people. You bring up an interesting point.

Werent they Ukrainian...?
:)

celinski 31 | 1258

27 Oct 2008 / #135

Millions were ready to join the Wehrmacht but Hitler with his conquering- and opression goals blew it all!

My family was already in Siberia at this time, but you bring up another interesting thought. I wonder what if Hitler didn't turn on Stalin?

You are form this part of Poland you should know who killed so many Polish there.

Stalin killed the Polish. This was Poland. We lived with Jewish, German's, Ukrainians and Russian.

Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11820

27 Oct 2008 / #136

There is not German poster. It is form 1939 and Soviet invasion on Poland.

Don't think so, it reads:

Nazi propaganda poster depicting executions of Polish military officers by the Soviets, with caption in Slovak - Forest of the dead at Katyn.

Poznan 5 | 46

27 Oct 2008 / #137

No I am sure about that. Your source is wrong. There were Nazi posters about Katyń but this one is Soviet and I am sure about that. I have this poster in my book. Sombedoy gave wrong description.

celinski

Your family has been on Syberia when Germans came. I am not form this part of Poland but it is mainstream knowledge.

Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11820

27 Oct 2008 / #138

edit...you might be right! :)

What does the text on the pic say then?

Poznan 5 | 46

27 Oct 2008 / #139

edit. Yes I am :)

Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11820

27 Oct 2008 / #140

Red Star on his helmet.

Yes, that is a givaway...till then I had sworn it's our Fritz helmet rather than the round bowl of the Russians...:)

Poznan 5 | 46

27 Oct 2008 / #141

Something about Polish and Soviet soldiers ...

Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11820

27 Oct 2008 / #142

Thanks...

Poznan 5 | 46

27 Oct 2008 / #143

Soviet and German officers meeting after the invasion of Poland

Molotov signs the German-Soviet non-aggression pact. Behind him are Ribbentrop and Stalin

text

Text of the secret protocol (in German)

Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11820

27 Oct 2008 / #144

Should I give out an award for the first one to bring me an anti-polish hate propaganda poster? :)

McCoy 27 | 1268

27 Oct 2008 / #145

it's german propaganda poster from april 1939

celinski 31 | 1258

27 Oct 2008 / #146

Mccoy did you just make that?

Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11820

27 Oct 2008 / #147

Photoshop! :)

Sorry but the Jury says we can't count that...

McCoy 27 | 1268

27 Oct 2008 / #148

Mccoy did you just make that?

no, i cant speak german

Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11820

27 Oct 2008 / #149

The poster shows that! :):):)

But 10 points for trying...

OP SeanBM 34 | 5781

27 Oct 2008 / #150

ill then I had sworn it's our Fritz helmet rather than the round bowl of the Russians

Imagine the amount of friendly fire, awe!

Should I give out an award for the first one to bring me an anti-polish hate propaganda poster? :)

it's german propaganda poster from april 1939

Ha ha ha ha, and in what I think is perfect German:)

Anyone find any more interesting propaganda from anywhere?