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Poland war propaganda poster - can anyone explain this picture?


OP SeanBM 35 | 5,806  
27 Oct 2008 /  #91
But if that isn't gay then I don't know!

Super gay ha ha ha, but was this not addressed to the soviets? comrades at arms?

Looks like an Aryan

Yes, they all look very similar, change the wording and the symbols and send them back.




puercoespin Could you translate them , please?
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
27 Oct 2008 /  #92
Some of the Nazi stuff looks really gay to me.

It's not exactly manly!

But if that isn't gay then I don't know! :):):)

Maybe he is giving the other dude the kiss of life :)

British press was quite busy - here are some of what we had to offer:

Recruitment
Maintinain Moral
Security concerns
OP SeanBM 35 | 5,806  
27 Oct 2008 /  #93
British press was quite busy

Very interesting, mum's the word ;)

In Northern Ireland Painting Murals is a way of expressing politics

The American one says
" AND THE ROCKETS
RED GLARE
BOMGS BURSTING
IN AIR
GAVE PROOF THROUGH
THE NIGHT THAT
OUR FLAG WAS STILL
STANDING"





Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,827  
27 Oct 2008 /  #94
Can't help it but I wouldn't think of a Chinese at a first glance:

Mao art

Even tiny Chinese get all big and brawny thanks to propaganda! :)
Bartolome 2 | 1,085  
27 Oct 2008 /  #95
Even tiny Chinese get all big and brawny thanks to propaganda! :)

...and they get the looks of a Latino macho (poster No 1)
hairball 20 | 313  
27 Oct 2008 /  #97
Always England

Yes they seem to forget that it is a Union!
OP SeanBM 35 | 5,806  
27 Oct 2008 /  #98
Here are some Palastinian Murals







McCoy 27 | 1,269  
27 Oct 2008 /  #99
made by banksy
PRL posters:
OP SeanBM 35 | 5,806  
27 Oct 2008 /  #100
PRL posters:

Hey excellent, amazing really.

made by banksy

I don't know if I am going off topic here?
I just thought they were very interesting and kinda fit here.

Later i will get some from the Vietnam war?

I find all this very interesting.
McCoy 27 | 1,269  
27 Oct 2008 /  #101
I don't know if I am going off topic here? I just thought they were very interesting and kinda fit here.

ok. i just add info about banksy cause he's the best known street artist. it's good to know his name and works.
Borrka 37 | 593  
27 Oct 2008 /  #102
BB

Anti-Polish sentiments among Germans were high in the pre-ww2 times.

I've seen some posters but generally there was simple no needto stimulate the hatred towards Poles in such a primitive way !

But watch this movie.
Sorry I have this German version only.
Feldzug in Polen
nazi.org.uk/video.htm
McCoy 27 | 1,269  
27 Oct 2008 /  #103
Hey excellent, amazing really.

thanks sean. great site with propaganda posters from different countries: plakaty.poszukiwania.pl/index.php
OP SeanBM 35 | 5,806  
27 Oct 2008 /  #104
Some of the communist propaganda looks amazing.
Really powerful people, working hard, but the style even magnifies this really well.

Here some US ones

These are obviously during the war back in U.S.A, trying to get everyone to chip in?

Wasn't there a bugs bunny propaganda for pots and pans to make bombs out of the metal? I think I remember something like that. They did not even use the metal, it was just a way to boost moral, to make people feel as if they were helping defeat the enemy.

I will look for it
here is another bugs one
Any bonds today, buy your share of freedom today, invest in the usa!.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,827  
27 Oct 2008 /  #105
Anti-Polish sentiments among Germans were high in the pre-ww2 times.

I've seen some posters but generally there was simple no need to stimulate the hatred towards Poles in such a primitive way !

Anti-Communist sentiment and anti-Jew sentiment were quite stronger too and they had their own poster nonetheless so I don't think that would be an explanation.

War propaganda was used on all sides and surely not seen as "primitive" (even if it makes one smile now and then TODAY).

I just think it seems to point to a lack of hate contrary to the popular opinion that the Germans hated the Poles in the same way as Jews or Bolschewiks!
OP SeanBM 35 | 5,806  
27 Oct 2008 /  #106
Anti-Communist sentiment and anti-Jew sentiment were quite stronger too

Could the nazi's have made Polish people out to be one or the other?
Commie or Jew?
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,827  
27 Oct 2008 /  #107
You mean as in "Poles are either Commies or Jews"???
I dunno...
Krzysztof 2 | 973  
27 Oct 2008 /  #108
Anti-red sentiment and anti-jewish sentiment were quite stronger too and they had their own poster nonetheless so I don't think that would be an explanation.

Well, after the collaboration with Soviet Union to dismantle Poland in 1939, the German government needed to explain somehow that you were no longer "friends" with Stalin and you need to attack the SU too.

Strong anti-jewish propaganda was needed to explain the total annihilation politics carried by Hitler, because, despite strong anti-jewish sentiments pre-war, I think most German citizens could find the final solution a little to extreme, don't you think?

Chasing the Jews from social life, closing them in ghettoes, taking over their capital and industry, it was probably acceptable after several years of Hitler at power, but "kill'em all" including babies needed some additional "explanation".
celinski 31 | 1,258  
27 Oct 2008 /  #109
War propaganda was used on all sides and surely not seen as "primitive" (even if it makes one smile now and then TODAY).

I have collected the post cards and find them in a class of there own.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,827  
27 Oct 2008 /  #110
The question was rather the lack of anti-polish propaganda poster...

PS: There aren't any "Kill babies"-poster
celinski 31 | 1,258  
27 Oct 2008 /  #111
anti-polish propaganda

anti-polish propaganda from Germany, I googled it under images and there are many (655) to look at I just can't read what they say.

images.google.com/images?&hl=en&q=anti-polish+propaganda+from+Germany
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,827  
27 Oct 2008 /  #112
Nope...I looked under these words too and didn't find any...
Lot's of anti-anything posters (most not even from Germany) but no polish hostile ones!

I repeat, I find that really interesting!
What does that say about the real mindset of these times?

I found that Nazi poster though: Or this:

Nazi propaganda poster depicting executions of Polish military officers by the Soviets, with caption in Slovak - Forest of the dead at Katyn.
Krzysztof 2 | 973  
27 Oct 2008 /  #113
but no polish hostile ones!

I tend to agree with this possibility:

Today, 09:07 Report #104

After partitions (Bismarck's Kulturkampf and germanization), WWI (and Upper Silesia plebiscite followed by the Silesian Uprisings), German claims to other Poland's lands (Westpreussen, Masuren, Poznań) I would assume there was enough propaganda against Poles, so Hitler didn't really needed to antagonize the Germans with the Poles, because the relations weren't too good. He only needed some small provocations to "justify" the aggression of 1939.

Sometimes, relations between 2 countries can be so tensed without any need for propaganda, just a small spark is enough to set the fire.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,827  
27 Oct 2008 /  #114
Oh please...there wouldn't had been the need then for any propaganda poster at all.
That's a real far fetched theory! :)
There shouldn't have been any polish anti-german poster either following this theory...

Not to mention that the only Nazi poster concerning Poles I could find doesn't portray the Poles as somehow "subhuman" or hostile...quite to the contrary...
OP SeanBM 35 | 5,806  
27 Oct 2008 /  #115
ok. i just add info about banksy cause he's the best known street artist. it's good to know his name and works.

Oh, No thanks for the name, I meant, I did not know if I was going off topic? I mean a lot of the propaganda is about commies, WWII, WWI or Nazis and are fairly old, I thought maybe putting in some more modern would be interesting just as a progression but i am enjoying the old ones so much, I just don't know?.

I just looked at the Vietnam photos but i think they might be too disturbing? The naked girl running in fear crying or the guy getting shot, the really famous ones.

It just might be a little off course?

You mean as in "Poles are either Commies or Jews"???

Perhaps? I don't know.
I see what you mean and it is curious all right.




Here are some from North Korea, I do not understand what is written but the imagery is self evident.









Krzysztof 2 | 973  
27 Oct 2008 /  #116
There shouldn't have been any polish anti-german poster either following this theory...

Why? Because you assume that if a nation A feels X, Y, Z against the nation B, then the nation B must feel exactly the same versus nation A?

It's not that simple, one nation is usually more active (aggressive) in its negative feeling, while the other may be more passive ("peaceful").

In Poland Germany wasn't perceived as the main threat between WWI and WWII, the public enemy was the Soviet empire, probably not many people loved the Germans, but until late 30's Polish national interest was to cooperate with Germany on the political level. When the war started (or when they knew it was inevitable) those things had to change, hence the bigger need for anti-german propaganda.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,827  
27 Oct 2008 /  #117
Here are some from North Korea, I do not understand what is written but the imagery is self evident.

Somehow the North Koreans do look like the Red Army...is it the helmets???

Well...that doesn't explain the lack (or may I say total absence?) of anti-polish hate propaganda by the Germans!
Especially as every Pole and his grandmom tells me how much the Germans always hated the Poles and always will (on this board I mean)....to come up with some poster should have been easy!
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389  
27 Oct 2008 /  #118
Is it Propaganda? I would view it as a politically motivated statement, as you would find in a any modern newspaper. It just seems to be making the statement that the mess associated with the war is the fault of the English

The British were to blame to a large extent...The British 'elites' were, and are diplicitous pigs.
Krzysztof 2 | 973  
27 Oct 2008 /  #119
Well...that doesn't explain the lack (or may I say total absence?) of anti-polish hate propaganda by the Germans!

From Dokumentation der deutsch-polnischen Tagung (in PDF format)
ssl.thesis.de/fileadmin/user_upload/Webseite/pdf/0_DokumentationTagung.pdf

Ort: HG der Viadrina-Universität, Frankfurt an der Oder
6. Professor Dr. Klaus Zieme (page 13):

Während der Geltungszeit des Nichtangriffspakts mit Polen von 1934 bis zum Frühjahr 1939
wurde die antipolnische Propaganda aus taktischen Gründen vermindert. Das negative
Polenbild blieb jedoch erhalten und wurde nach dem Überfall Deutschlands auf Polen
reaktiviert, z.B. bezüglich des sog. Bromberger Blutsonntags vom 3.09.1939, bei dem
Volksdeutsche in Polen umkamen, deren Zahl aber extrem übertrieben wurde. Die Ermordung
der polnischen Elite war Teil von Hitlers Zielsetzung, um seine Konzeption durchzusetzen,
"Lebensraum" für Deutsche zu schaffen. Es müsse, so Hitler in den Instruktionen für die
Wehrmachtsführung zum Feldzug gegen Polen, "mit aller Härte" vorgegangen werden.

I'm not a professor, and I always hated history at school, but as far as I understand the German text, it confirms my "common sense theory".

Another source (also in PDF)
scidok.sulb.uni-saarland.de/volltexte/2003/95/pdf/Polnische_Greuel.pdf

Universität des Saarlandes, Philosophische Fakultät, Fachrichtung 5.4 - Geschichte
Schriftliche Hausarbeit zur Erlangung des Magistergrades der Philosophischen Fakultät der Universität des Saarlandes
Thema: "Polnische Greuel". Der Propagandafeldzug des Dritten Reiches gegen Polen
gestellt von: Prof. Dr. Jörg K. Hoensch
vorgelegt am: 29. März 1994
von: Thomas Kees

I don't expect you to read the whole thing (130 pages), but check the Index and read the most interesting chapters, there's no point in me doing it for you, because I expect you read in German much faster than me :)

You also see a 12 pages long bibliography at the end (Quellen und Literatur), so you may look for other interesting sources.

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To Admin of Polish Forums,
Please don't delete this quote in German, as I don't feel competent enough to translate it into English
OP SeanBM 35 | 5,806  
27 Oct 2008 /  #120
Is it Propaganda? I would view it as a politically motivated statement,

Just to clarify propaganda.

2: the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person
3: ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing cause ; also : a public action having such an effect

The British were to blame to a large extent...The British 'elites' were, and are diplicitous pigs.

Apparently it still works :)

Bratwurst Boy,
If you do read something connected or just interesting, give us the gist, please.

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