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Poland-Russia: never-ending story?


matthias  3 | 429  
11 Feb 2008 /  #1141
Paczka, tell that to Russia because its clear which country follows the eye for an eye approach.
ConstantineK  26 | 1298  
12 Feb 2008 /  #1142
I think Russia should be more down to earth, you are important country, you are not super power. Russia is our neighbour and we should have contacts with your country.

Always thinking about us as a potential foe? Hemmm, no thanks...
Dublinjohn  - | 38  
12 Feb 2008 /  #1143
I don't know about all you but I am glad Constantinek doesn't have his finger on the button
Crow  154 | 9310  
12 Feb 2008 /  #1144
Why are you so negative guys? Think positive

Tell me. Is there anything nice that Poles and Russians accomplished together, in their history?
matthias  3 | 429  
12 Feb 2008 /  #1145
lol, now that I think about it I don't we think we ever accomplished anything together.... Im pretty happy about that......
Crow  154 | 9310  
12 Feb 2008 /  #1146
Im pretty happy about that

are you Polish?
matthias  3 | 429  
12 Feb 2008 /  #1147
Yeah Im Polish, are u?
Filios1  8 | 1336  
12 Feb 2008 /  #1148
Is there anything nice that Poles and Russians accomplished together, in their history?

No.
paczka  1 | 63  
12 Feb 2008 /  #1149
Agree.

Well, we kinda forced Nazis back into Germany in 1945, but again, it was only half of Poland supporting Soviets.
Filios1  8 | 1336  
12 Feb 2008 /  #1150
I would have really rather not had the dirty Russians stepping on Polish soil to accomplish that.. They should have gone around.
matthias  3 | 429  
12 Feb 2008 /  #1151
Much less than half, and those that did, it had more to do with hate for Germany then support for Russia..
paczka  1 | 63  
12 Feb 2008 /  #1152
Much less than half,

LOL nazis
Miste  1 | 5  
12 Feb 2008 /  #1153
Tell me. Is there anything nice that Poles and Russians accomplished together, in their history?

Poles and Russians togheter.
Pogroms.
Help for Vietnam
Pole created apparat of oppresion in Russia and KGB
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Edmundovich_Dzerzhinsky

LOL nazis

they call you the same in 1939
matthias  3 | 429  
12 Feb 2008 /  #1154
Paszka are you just looking for some excitement.?? it is boring around here lately...

Nazis are the Germans who supported Hitler and to a lesser extent the Russians who signed an agreement with Hitler...

Poland didn't support Russia because Russians were invaders just like the Germans... except at the time of ww2, Russia was the lesser of two evils..... may add though that not by much...
Miste  1 | 5  
12 Feb 2008 /  #1155
Poland didn't support Russia because Russians were invaders just like the Germans... except at the time of ww2, Russia was the lesser of two evils..... may add though that not by much...

Not true at the end of war many Poles served in Red Army in war against nazists and there is nothing wrong about that.
matthias  3 | 429  
12 Feb 2008 /  #1156
What???lol once again Poles supported Russia because Nazis were the bigger threat.... Do you honestly think Poles would join red army if their were no Nazi threat?? please answer honestly

That statement is 100% true...... but its funny that you don't think that....
Miste  1 | 5  
12 Feb 2008 /  #1157
What???lol once again Poles supported Russia because Nazis were the bigger threat.... Do you honestly think Poles would join red army if their were no Nazi threat?? please answer honestly

Yes it is true,

I wanted to notice that it is not shame that you fought agaianst Nazis
matthias  3 | 429  
12 Feb 2008 /  #1158
aaaaaahhhh....

no thats definitely not a shame....

if anything is a shame its that Poland was not able to kick both there as*ses
Crow  154 | 9310  
12 Feb 2008 /  #1159
if anything is a shame its that Poland was not able to kick both there as*ses

don`t be deranged

Serbs managed to expel both- Nazis and Soviets and what we have from that. Those who invented and Nazis and Commies are here again to conquer us, to take our territory

Germany gave clear message to us- you are stupid to resist to us. Look how those who don`t resist profit. And, other Slavs confirmed that to us with their attitude.

Believe me, i feel stupid
matthias  3 | 429  
12 Feb 2008 /  #1160
Crow if Serbia was actually a significant country for Germany or Russia during WW2 to defeat.... then you would have been defeated.... If your saying that Serbia could have resisted a full onslaught from either Nazis or Soviets or both then it is you who is deranged....

Im not a big fan of Germany, however your view of Germany as still being some nazi machine is taking it to another level.....

Serbia does not have to join EU....its your choice?... also EU would have not been on your a*s over kosovo if serbia could have controlled themselves and not committied genocide.
Crow  154 | 9310  
12 Feb 2008 /  #1161
if serbia could have controlled themselves and not committied genocide

but, genocide and ethocid on Serbs happened, not by Serbs on others

Nor we started conflicts (ever in our history!), nor we committed genocide, crimes in last Civil War happed on all sides.

You choosing to believe that this whats happening isn`t Serbian punishment for resistance to Germany, no matter that all show exactly in that dirrection. But, its not even about Germany, its bigger. Just, Germany is sword of complete so called west in their mutual projects. It is clear

Crow if Serbia was actually a significant country for Germany or Russia during WW2 to defeat.... then you would have been defeated....

never underestimate human spirit

If your saying that Serbia could have resisted a full onslaught from Nazis

Serbs were onslaught cataclysmicaly in last 100 years

full onslaught from Soviets

Soviets retreated, probably to avoid to onslaught us
matthias  3 | 429  
12 Feb 2008 /  #1162
there were terrorist attacks committed against Serbia.. Yes the muslims started the war, and yes Serbia had the right to defend itself but Serbia took self defence to the extreme when they decided to commit genocide...its k to kill terrorists even if sometimes civilians die by mistake.. however targeting all muslims is a different story... a few terrorists attacking serbia doesn't give serbia the green light to kill all muslims..

Listen, Germany and all of EU care about human rights in Kosovo.... its not to punish serbia per say its to create a safe haven for citizens of kosovo..

as for you dont overestimate the human spirit.
Serbia by itself would never defeat Russia no matter all the human spirit it has.

last 2 comments of yours, can you rephrase them so I know for sure what your trying to say..
ConstantineK  26 | 1298  
13 Feb 2008 /  #1163
Sure yes...We divided Poland together in XVIII

I don't know about all you but I am glad Constantinek doesn't have his finger on the button

Are you sure?

Well, we kinda forced Nazis back into Germany in 1945

You? Ha.....ha-ha......ha-ha-ha-ha....Are you joking?
Dublinjohn  - | 38  
13 Feb 2008 /  #1164
Are you sure?

Yes

Always thinking about us as a potential foe

Who told you, you are paranoid??!!!???!!!???
Lukasz  49 | 1746  
13 Feb 2008 /  #1165
True, between 1999, the year before Mr Putin became president, and 2007, the Russian economy expanded by 69 per cent. But the economies of 11 of the 15 former republics of the Soviet Union expanded by more than Russia's. Indeed, only Kyrgyzstan did markedly worse. A number of the former Soviet republics did, it is true, benefit from an oil and gas bonanza. But so, too, did Russia: its oil and gas exports jumped from $76bn in 1999 to $350bn last year.Even so, the Russian economy expanded by less than Ukraine's.

Like all post-communist countries, Russia's economy suffered a steep initial decline, which reached its trough in 1998. Countries that reformed more decisively, such as Poland, bottomed out more quickly and are now far ahead. Again, Russia's recovery is in no way exceptional: tiny Estonia has done far better. Maybe this is why the Kremlin hates the Baltic state so much.

The west must again form a concerted policy: it must resist efforts to divide westerners against themselves; it must insure itself against over-dependence on Russian energy; and it must make the price of revanchism high for Russia itself. But it must also repeat a powerful truth: the west is no enemy of the Russian people. On the contrary, nothing would be more desirable than for a vibrant and self-confident Russian democracy to take its place in the world of western values. And, yes, that must include membership of Nato.
Crow  154 | 9310  
13 Feb 2008 /  #1166
Serbia took self defence to the extreme when they decided to commit genocide

man, THIS what you speak is what is TOLD to you, while facts are different. You are so politically correct

matthias

one simple question...

Do you support NATO alliance with mujaheedines against Serbs?

If you hesitate to answer (at least for the moment) you in fact have ultimate proof that you are victim of propaganda manipulations, that THEY convinced you that Serbs were/are that evil that NATO collaboration with mujaheedines was necessary for salvation of `democracy` and `human rights`

So, tell me, are you victim of media propaganda?

Down there where ends logic, beginning dictature

Freedom!
Lukasz  49 | 1746  
13 Feb 2008 /  #1167
Crow to you have to write everywhere about Serbia ? There are special places here for discussion about Kosowo.
Crow  154 | 9310  
13 Feb 2008 /  #1168
no, i just answered to him and finished that, obviously
matthias  3 | 429  
13 Feb 2008 /  #1169
Crow what is told by the media is much worse, they talk about the genocide but they never mention the terrorist attacks against Serbia which led to an escalation by Serbs of the situation... You should be grateful I took it upon myself to learn that information.

As for you comment that we supported the muhajeed....we didn't support them because we wanted to.. we did it to stop the genocide of muslims... the crimes of the muhajeed were not as horrible as the crimes of the serbs..... try looking up videos of children being shot in the back of the head by Serbian soldiers... that is of course if the Serbian internet is not censored.

don't portray your country as the victim of that war because you will gain no sympathy from me..
paczka  1 | 63  
13 Feb 2008 /  #1170
You? Ha.....ha-ha......ha-ha-ha-ha....Are you joking?

I have to admit that they helped us, but the latest replies say, that they didnt... So I supose we did it on our own.

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