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ConstantineK  26 | 1298  
5 Feb 2008 /  #1051
LOL, you are a burst of sunshine, you do not terrorize the west.

well, may be just a bit? just a little piece?
Dublinjohn  - | 38  
5 Feb 2008 /  #1052
I believe that that Russians-East and Polish-West are very different.
Russia lost an insane amount of people when they beat Hitler, unfortunately for Poland it was out of the frying pan and in to the fire when Russia took the spoils from Poland. But in a historical context that is what countries do.

I just don't like the way Russia is play a bully with their energy.
celinski  31 | 1258  
5 Feb 2008 /  #1053
when Russia took the spoils from Poland.

Over there you do, not here. Have you guys ever really thought of becoming one like USA? We know our homes and don't change the boarders.

Better yet, I was watching Edgar Casie the other night and they were talking about the country's merging across the sea's. Now you must admit, if USA and Europe were fused together, well I think we might have a great time, that is the ones that survived the trip.
lesser  4 | 1311  
5 Feb 2008 /  #1054
Why do you segregate "middle class" , do we not all try to achive a better life reguardless of class?

Unfortunately even many conservatives and liberals use this communist rhetoric of 'class conflict', even if this is not their goal at all. This is completely artificial segregation because one person through entire life could belong even more than once to all these silly 'classes'. However in Russia this kind of thinking is deeply rooted in their mindset.

Russia lost an insane amount of people when they beat Hitler

Most of Soviet loses were Ukrainians and Belarusians, Nazis marched via these lands. Stalin for sure killed a lot more Russians than Hitler.
Dublinjohn  - | 38  
5 Feb 2008 /  #1055
celinski
Over there you do, not here. Have you guys ever really thought of becoming one like USA? We know our homes and don't change the boarders.???

Like usa and canada or mexico?
I tell you what, you become one with Russia, ha ha ha.
We are becoming united The European Union. And America and Europe are together in many different areas but you fought the brits to get your independence.

Anyway Americans are Irish, Polish etc... don't forget
celinski  31 | 1258  
5 Feb 2008 /  #1056
Most of Soviet loses were Ukrainians and Belarussians

Stalin took out most of eastern Poland "Kresy" today (Ukraine).

'class conflict'

How can you tell, could someone be land rich, yet they look poor? In the USA it depends on where you are if you can tell. Car's also are quite the status symbol here.

We know our homes and don't change the boarders.???

No your boarders have changed our's are the same.

Like usa and canada or mexico?

We have our lines in the sand, just because some can't see them.
ConstantineK  26 | 1298  
5 Feb 2008 /  #1057
just don't like the way Russia is play a bully with their energy.

Oh sure you will be happy only if we will give our energy for nothing

Unfortunately even many conservatives and liberals use this communist rhetoric of 'class conflict',

You think that it is not right theory. Do you suppose that poorest and rich levels of the society feels any sympathy to each other?
celinski  31 | 1258  
5 Feb 2008 /  #1058
give our energy for nothing

lol , OK we'll let you do that, Thanks.

Do you suppose that poorest and rich levels of the society feels any sympathy to each other?

They do here, there's a saying, "The more you give, the more that comes back to you." This is so true, but alot of the rich, yes even in the USA , kill themselves trying to hold onto materialist to be happy, and this is what kills them. Bummer, yet there are people that are dirt poor and you never saw a happier person. Go figure.
ConstantineK  26 | 1298  
5 Feb 2008 /  #1059
"The more you give, the more that comes back to you."

Ha, it's not about humans. For example, I despise all who is below me and of course hate all who above me. It's so natural !
z_darius  14 | 3960  
5 Feb 2008 /  #1060
I despise all who is below me and of course hate all who above me. It's so natural !

Then you have nobody to despise.
ConstantineK  26 | 1298  
5 Feb 2008 /  #1061
ConstantineK wrote:
I despise all who is below me and of course hate all who above me. It's so natural !

Then you have nobody to despise.

Sure I have, cats for example!
lesser  4 | 1311  
5 Feb 2008 /  #1062
You think that it is not right theory. Do you suppose that poorest and rich levels of the society feels any sympathy to each other?

Socialists demagogues try to turn those people against each other to win the power for themselves. Financial situation of people is not incidental, it depends from amount of their talents, knowledge and willingness to work hard. If you reject socialist demagogy then it turn obvious that both groups need each other. Poor people need employers, rich people need workers. If they need each other then every class conflict have negative impact on both rich and poor people. All of them consist an indispensable element of society.
ConstantineK  26 | 1298  
5 Feb 2008 /  #1063
Financial situation of people is not incidental, it depends from amount of their talents, knowledge and willingness to work hard.

You are watching on the problem from your own time. There was no any equal opportunities even at the begining of XX cent.
Dublinjohn  - | 38  
5 Feb 2008 /  #1064
Give us a smile ConstantineK. Do you think Russia is the best country in the world?
ConstantineK  26 | 1298  
5 Feb 2008 /  #1065
You think no? There is only one thing we destitute, the palms.
Dublinjohn  - | 38  
5 Feb 2008 /  #1066
Why would you suppose I thought Russia was the greatest country?

No nation was ever so virtuous as each believes itself, and none was ever so wicked as each believes the other.

Come on give us a smile, just a quick one, please
ConstantineK  26 | 1298  
5 Feb 2008 /  #1067
Why would you suppose I thought Russia was the greatest country?

Because you should!!! Each man in the world must love Russia, because we are very sensible and we feel upset if somebody thinks different! So, you really should, dont make me feel upset!
Dublinjohn  - | 38  
5 Feb 2008 /  #1068
ok, I will love Russia only if you give me a smile?

Didn't think so...
ConstantineK  26 | 1298  
5 Feb 2008 /  #1069
:-))) Come on came to moscow and I will give not only a smile
Crow  154 | 9310  
5 Feb 2008 /  #1070
Dublinjohn wrote:
Why would you suppose I thought Russia was the greatest country?

Because you should!!! Each man in the world must love Russia, because we are very sensible and we feel upset if somebody thinks different! So, you really should, dont make me feel upset!

virtuoso reply. Congrats
Dublinjohn  - | 38  
5 Feb 2008 /  #1071
Thanks for the offer ConstantineK.
I'll bring a palm for you then you will have everything.
Crow  154 | 9310  
5 Feb 2008 /  #1072
what is just a palm in comparison to warm sees, which Russia was able to rightfully reached via Bulgarians, via Slovenia and via Serbian lands on Balkan.

Now, expansion of NATO, genocidal destruction of Serbs and expansion of Islamic and German puppet states in the region attacked vital Russian interests. Once, Poland also relied on Serbs and Bulgarians [Slovenians in past were under foreign control] to satisfy her interests on warm sees and key trade routes.

Obviously, today`s world is designed to satisfy non-Slavic interests and to make Slavs dependent on hostile non-Slavs. Reasons? Expansion of `some` others on the expense of Slavs. Also, Slavic resources and population are target.

If you ask me, Slavs would retaliate in magnificent counterstrike. Yes, they would. Just wait that Russia, Poland and Ukraine start to work together. Just that they found scent. Soon
Filios1  8 | 1336  
5 Feb 2008 /  #1073
If you ask me, Slavs would retaliate in magnificent counterstrike. Yes, they would. Just wait that Russia, Poland and Ukraine start to work together.

I would not mind seeing a Slavic union created to counteract that one of the E.U. But this will never happen in our lifetimes, maybe never. There are simply too many things that pull us apart..
southern  73 | 7059  
5 Feb 2008 /  #1074
a Slavic union

Putin proposed a slavic union between Russia,Belarus and Serbia.
Crow  154 | 9310  
5 Feb 2008 /  #1075
Crow wrote:
If you ask me, Slavs would retaliate in magnificent counterstrike. Yes, they would. Just wait that Russia, Poland and Ukraine start to work together.

I would not mind seeing a Slavic union created to counteract that one of the E.U. But this will never happen in our lifetimes, maybe never. There are simply too many things that pull us apart..

Greeks, Northern Italians, Eastern Germany, Austria, Hungary, Romania, Baltic states, Scandinavia (not only them) would greatly profit from Slavic Union or at least from consolidated Slavic civilization (alternative world to EU). They would be safe, Slavs aren`t hostile and trade, bussines, profits could reach levels behind imagination. It would be their golden age once again just this time not on the expanse of Slavs but thru mutual cooperation (that`s the beauty).

Slavs would bring the balance in the world, among global civilizations.

I clearly can see expansion of Slavic civilization even thru Solar system and further. :)

Filios1 wrote:
a Slavic union

Putin proposed a slavic union between Russia,Belarus and Serbia.

TODAY?!!!! :)

I know for talsk in past but, in this moment that would solve problems.
Filios1  8 | 1336  
5 Feb 2008 /  #1076
Greeks and Northern Italians (not only them) would greatly profit from Slavic Union or at least from consolidated Slavic civilization (alternative world to EU). You would be safe, Slavs aren`t hostile and trade, bussines, profits could reach levels behind imagination. It would be your golden age once again just this time not on the expanse of Slavs but thru mutual cooperation (that`s the beauty).

Slavs would bring the balance in the world, among global civilizations.

I agree Crow. Greeks would finally break the strangle hold that has been on them from the E.U and Western countries, and experience a revival, a Byzantine revival would you say maybe? Like I said, counterbalance is the only thing to maintain peace in the world. Certainly after that, the nations would evolve and war would only be history.

As for Putin putting forth that idea, I am not for anything that Putin says. He is not to be trusted, that one. A union would only be fruitful and realistic if all nations were treated and profit equally. Putin would make a mess of things..
southern  73 | 7059  
5 Feb 2008 /  #1077
TODAY?!!!! :)

I know for talsk in past

Not today but the proposition is always open for Lukashenko to accept.
Crow  154 | 9310  
5 Feb 2008 /  #1078
a Byzantine revival would you say maybe?

fundaments of Slavic world are in Slavic spirituality and heritage but, we would for sure show respect and tolerance for all valuable cultural achievements from past, no matter were they Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox. Greeks and others for sure has right on their specific interests and heritage.

Slavs, Slavic civilization (no matter is it Slavic Union, Alliance or just free and independent Slavic world), would just provide scene and mechanisms for peaceful and sustain coexistence based on few key principles such are for example- peace, nature, prosperity.

Putin

Putin is Putin. Politician

He is not whole Russia, nor he is Slavic world. Interests of Slavic world are above importance of any politician.
southern  73 | 7059  
5 Feb 2008 /  #1079
peace, nature

Yes,I have noticed that Slavs like nature a lot.The best looking nature(impressive forests,rivers,lakes) is in slavic countries,Poland,Belarus,Ukraine,Slovakia,Czech Republic etc.

And they are quite peaceful.Even in byzantine times almost no wars happened against Slavs.They used to settle peacefully in land or mountains.
Filios1  8 | 1336  
5 Feb 2008 /  #1080
And they are quite peaceful.Even in byzantine times almost no wars happened against Slavs

Look up Thomas the Slav..

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