Poland-Russia: never-ending story?

Bring them now even from serbian sources.They are slavs as well,they will understand more or less.

i will tell you what would i do now. I going to sleep, as many Slavs before me. Poles are Slavs as well, they would understand more or less.

but, even when sleep, i would have a dream

yes yes Racowie ... but it was in XIV century ...

But French are do better then Englishmen, hence Russians are better then Poles

'Then' rather than 'than' probably changes round the meaning of what you are tying to say to the complete opposite.

so what?

and thousand years before XIV century and thousand years after, from the beginning of time to the eternity, Serbs were and are loyal brothers to Poles

but, we are brothers to Russians, too. It`s a fact

and so, we are often alone, in our loyalty to our brothers, in loyalty to Mother Slavia

seams that you all abondened us, punished us for our loyalty

so Kosovo is Albanian now and it is fact ... I know it hurts ... you know in the pas Lwow was Polish too, Wilno was Polish too (most of Poles have been brutaly expeled in '45) ... and Kosovo was Sebian but it isnt any more ...

- I sincerely believe the story will be over within ten years. The roles will change then.
:)

Kosovo is not Serbian but part of state of Serbia. Or do you compare NATO/EU troops to the Soviet army? Both are invaders and occupiers?

If and when the past is dealt with I feel Poland-Russia can have a happy ending.
Carol

Poland ready for meat ban talks on Moscow's terms

en.rian.ru/russia/20071128/89989205.html

RIA NOVOSTI
19:32 | 28/ 11/ 2007

Lets hope Russia does not see this as Poland being weak. Carol

news which was well received in Serbian public...

Thaw in Russian-Polish relations

8 December 2007 | 13:47 | Source: BBC
b92.net/eng/news/world-article.php?yyyy=2007&mm=12&dd=08&nav_id=46029

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God bless and watch over Poland and Russia!

What a terrible situation for the Serbs. Imagine Warsaw not being in Polan..... Ok, a bad comparison... imagine Kraków not being in Poland anymore. Sad. ;)

No, it`s not sad. We waited almost 400 years to liberate Kosovo from Turks. Our last province that was liberated. Nobody can`t take Kosovo from us and nobody can`t harm our eternal soul.

be aware brate that Slavdom sleep now, in divisions and in wounds but, once Slavs would be informed, awaken. Slavs would learn. Then, example of Serbian sufferings would be light in the darkness.

That`s the role what we always were happy to play, it`s the role we choose.

Freedom for Slavic civilization!

how old are you, 600?, huh? why do you talk instead of your fathers, maybe they were contented about turks and slavs live together, i mean not racist like you. i know they were not cause, after ottoman-mongolian war in 1402, ottoman empire was without leader for 13 years, lost all of its influence with the nations under it. even some turkish communities in anatolia seperated from ottomans but none of balcan nations choosed freedom. it shows something i think.

ok maybe I will back to topic

There is official information, agricultural minister of Russia informed that there will be the end of embargo ...

(unofficialy as the result there will be the end of Polish veto on EU-Russia negotiations)

Russia to lift Polish meat import ban next week

By Reuters


At least some good news, in this darkness around Serbs. Thanks

Only devotion to Slavdom and love to Christ would save us, my Polish/Russian- brothers and sisters. Remember, balance of Slavdom is serious and fragile thing. Be responsible for there are hard times in front of us. We would need all our people

It is a long term policy of NATO and US to weaken Slavonic countries by any means possible, because they know that in the future those countries will be the one that can stand up against their hegemony in the world, you can buy them by joining EU or you can bomb them. Kosovo will be lost one way or another because they can bomb Serbs into the submission again. Roosevelt in Yalta did exactly the same, went to bed with the biggest murderer in the world and scarified Poland and half of the Europe hoping for Stalin gulags and finishing job Hitler couldn’t do it.

Maybe we should bury the hatchet.
What is wrong with Russia ? Maybe they are authorative but it is nothing new. They are not commies.
Russians have positive attitude towards Poles (we are slavs) and I prefere them than Germans.
There is such a big pressure on making historical reconciliation or peace with Germans.
Maybe instead of that we should do it with Russia and open new chapter in our history. I'm not politician but I know that a lot of people share my point of view. I havent found any post on this forum like my, so here it is.

Instead of caustic remarks about who is better or rather worst. We should cooperate because for most of world we are the same eastern europeans and argues between us look like argues between Algieria and Egipt or Spain and Portugal.

It doesnt have sense because we put down each other. Maybe it isnt possible to be good friends but we should have normal relations and in my opinion it should be better than with Germans.

I totaly agree.
We are USA vassal and we should have better relations with east: Ukraina, Russia. Do you see any moral differences when you compare USA and Russia. I don't.

I agree with vodka, in current situation it is much more important to keep good relation with eastern-european states rather than with northern american ones... Whether you like it or not, but thanks to its size and abilities etc, whatever happens in Russia affects Poland and both governments should build a strong realtionship based on trust. Two good examples would be Californian fires and ban on Polish food! :D

so if you appear to look Arab....like a Hinduski(ME) than you are in trouble in Poland?

I stand by my prior post, "Russia must step up and make amends for past with Poland". Many people lost their country ,loved ones, land. Military were killed and others slaved. I could care less how Russia decides to run their little piece of the earth. In order to be considered part of the ones that can move forward, the past must be dealt with. I for one wait for the day when Russia's President stands up and can say, "We are sorry this happened to your family." Until this day I will not believe that they are truly sorry. Just last week I read of President Putin trying to push a history book whereas “Stalin is a great hero”. Historical amnesia

Putin heralds teachers' manual glorifying Stalin as great leader

Calgary Herald

Monday, December 03, 2007


How sorry can Russia really be? Stalin was not an innocent leader, blood stained his hands to build his empire.

Putin prefers soap.

He said last year, that the following statement was announced in 1989, when Gorbachyov and others said they are sorry for occupying others bla-bla-bla. Putin has also noted, that he is not going to say sorry to every country who wants it every year, and once is enough. I Dont know why some people still complain... Germany doesnt say sorry, neither does Poland who has occupied Russia couple of times during last 500 years.

And in fact, Stalin was a great leader, wasnt he??? Keeping 15 states together without any racial arguement amongst them, conquering half the Europe, improving the industrial and agricultural sector and defeating Nazis. In fact, Putin does whatever people of Russia want to see, some researches have shown that 48% of people want another Stalin as the head of state and 70% think that Stalin's role in history was positive.

when ?

1605-1618 and 1918-1922 if I am correct (or at least WIki says so)

Stalin was a paranoid psychopath and ignorant. To credit him with this victory over Nazis is ridiculous. Soviet army won this despite of having such a foolish leader who did wiped out most officers before WWII. Also this survey among Russians change nothing, those people are politically and historically illiterate. Stalin proofed his military incompetence before, because of his stupidity Soviets lost Polish-Soviet war. Stalin's economic policy ruined this country.

Stalin was a killer that even killed his own. This is sick that you do not know how many lives Stalin took and the price paid for his country. "bla-bla-bla" how insensitive and crude.


Stalin was a sick puppy that didn't even care about his own family as they also where killed on his orders.