Poland-Russia: never-ending story?

Good to hear :]


You, of course. ;]

not really, I keep a low profile these days. Are you being a good boy?

Same here sadly. I've been kind of busy with final projects and exams to end this semester. I don't think I can take any more English literature. I've about had enough.


You know it. :]

I got a new dog too. Name him Diesel, like the gas, and he's a brown-tiger striped Mastiff. Funniest dog in the world.

not really


you will be very educated:)p


aha, nice, although I am personally afraid of those dogs - I thought they were not allowed to be bread anymore, unless you have a mix.

Like anyone is going to do anything about it. He's the cutest damn puppy in the world. He wouldn't hurt anyone. I mean he runs away from flies.


And boring. Like being able to quote every one of Shakespeare's plays will get me anywhere. :P

I love puppies, they are adorable and so helpless. Good for you. If I ever get a dog I am going to name it Petrol;p


Not to worry. I will have a use some day, you are just saturated now. Are you going to Uni?
Shakespeare was a very observant men and he knew human nature, not that you need it.

Highschool. I was considering going to Penn State Park Campus, North Carolina, or Jagellion University in Poland when I graduate. I heard Poland could use quite a few architects who can use AutoDesk-AutoCAD.

Any truth to this?


Nice. Maybe you can name him/her BP?

I wouldn't know, but if you are serious about it, start oing your research. WHen it comes to Uni rankings US is the best thought;(

I am off for tonight, take care.

Quoting: El Gato
Why are people still arguing about whether Poland or Russia is the better country? Makes no sense to me.

This is not who is better it is about taking responsability for past actions so that a foundation can be built on solid ground. My Polish people were unarmed farmers sleeping at home with their families and in Feb. 1940 they were taken to a concentration camp in Siberia to be treated worse than dogs. Ones that were not deported were attacked by SS Ukraine and tortured. Is it to much for me to ask Russia to tell the truth and I am sorry for what happened. As for the SS they recieved a free ride to England and have never answered to war crimes commette. No this is not about who is better.

Not if you look at the future. Europe will always be a safer bet for future generations. The US has a bunch of little problems that keep it from being a truely great country. The US government keeps trying to please everyone, while countries in Europe understand that the majority rules. Also, Poland just feels cleaner and more fun to me. I really don't see myself living out my life in America.


And when It comes to literacy rates, Poland is number 6th in the world with a 99% literacy rate, coming in second in Europe. It was on the news not too long ago here in the US.

Germany, France, and England are tied for first with an "imperfect" 100% (a few idiots here and there) Poland is 2nd with 99%, and so on. The US fell to about the 20s when it came to International rankings. It has its faults. But so does Poland. Nobody is perfect, but one cane be more fun than the other. :]

Don't kid yourself. We're talking about technical people here, and as such, they love toys. AutoCAD is one of them, and though a standard, it is just a piece of software and of one of many at that. Poland's computer science depertments rank ahead of many of America's best.

I work with that stuff (computers, not architecture), and one thing that became obvious to me - it takes years to produce a good architect. It takes a couple weeks to produce a competent software user.

btw, Autodesk has its offices in Poland too, and for a reason:
autodesk.pl/adsk/servlet/index?siteID=553660&id=9351473

just got information

i am happy to inform this audithorium that, as result of disscusions on 9th World Slavic Congress, held in Byelorussia, Polish representatives decided to support creation of Slavic Parliamentary Union (SPU) and Polish active membership. This year SPU continue to expand

i would provide links and sources of informations, very soon

Very well,

Poland starting to taking her position as big and important Slavic power and Russia starting to respect that. In good moment

Donald Tusk - a friend of Russia?

RIA NOVOSTI, 19:21 | 23/ 11/ 2007
en.rian.ru/analysis/20071123/89337291.html



Promising conclusion by RIA NOVOSTI...


good to hear that associations which work on closer Slavic cooperation is moving along :)

Slavic Parliamentary Union Headquarters opened in Minsk

19.11.2007, 23.39
itar-tass.com/eng/level2.html?NewsID=12087183&PageNum=0




MINSK HOSTS SESSION OF 'SLAVIC PARLIAMENTARY UNION'

Thursday, November 2, 2006 Volume 10 Number 203
rferl.org/newsline/2006/11/3-cee/cee-021106.asp

I would like to notice that it is Russian article but I found some other facts there

"But the Kremlin is well aware that Tusk is not a friend of Moscow. He will not restore relations with Russia to the detriment of the Polish national interests. Ukraine is one example. The prime minister promised to give "all-round support to Kiev's pro-European aspirations." He did not mean so much integration into the European Union (Brussels has made it clear more than once that this will not happen in the foreseeable future), as the NATO entry. Poland will try to get Georgia into the bloc as well."

"... he said that "Warsaw perceives Russia as it is." They paid more attention to the other part of his statement: "We must resume dialogue with Russia. We want to deal with it." ... "

so we will see what will happen but I think that there will be the end of Russian embargo and our veto on EU - Russia agreement


I will answer you here

Yes in this point I can agree that most of problems are on state level, not people ... (a litle bit different situation than with Germans) but slavdom in Poland sounds like joke ... get over it

no matter what would be destine of Slavs... life without Slavic Union or within it (i, personaly am opened for all options), i would say that Slavs need to coordinate batter considering chalanges (on all field) of modern era...

words of Pope John Paul II


Source: John Paul II, 1978-2005: The Last Anti-modern Pope
chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/articolo/26992?&eng=y

onet.pl/0,3970,the_west_must_resist_putin8217s_claim_on_the_ old_soviet_space,artykul_ft.html

financial times about Russia ...

Lukasz, OMG thank you for the link I had to wonder if it's something in the water in Russia. Is Putin acually thinking no one can see right through him. Then again why not he hasn't had to answer for what he did to Poland 1939-45, so why not.

"The rest we know all too well. The Molotov-Ribbentrop Treaty that paved the way for Hitler to start the World War, and the Soviet invasion of Poland on September 17, 1939, executed under the pretense of "protecting the oppressed minorities." Stalin went the same way that had been inaugurated five centuries earlier by Ivan III: again, deportations that wasted 1.5 million Polish lives (of these, 0.5 million perished in the Siberian and Kazakh labor camps); then the Katyn murders totaling 23,000 people, the elite of the Polish patriotic intelligentsia, killed on a single order; then, after a short period of cooperation with the Polish government-in-exile, cooperation which was forced on Stalin by the unexpected German invasion, preparations to install a new Russian (this time Soviet) party in Poland. A new Targowica group could be recruited only among the communists. But Stalin knew that he had to break the neck of the Polish society first to make it acquiesce to the new Russian-Soviet domination. His communist clients, whom he used to enslave Poland, knew it even better."

Please don't let it start again. After reading your link all could think of was how important it is for Russia to be held accountable for what happened to Poland in 1939-45. Accountablity and taking responsabilty are the ingrediants needed to show Putin it will not be repeated. To not do this leaves him to believe it can be repeated. Maybe the time is at hand for a world of viewers to tell Putin step back and concern himself within his own boarders. Many voices make light work. Carol Celinska Dove

celinski I dont think that historical facts are needed in this case ...

it is enought to look on current situation there

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7110910.stm

but there is one fact ... Russia isnt so strong as it pretends to be ... and they made false start ... they are still poorer than they were before '89 and rest of the world is definately richer ... they spend money from gas and oil on their widely understanded prestige, what means ... space ships, new wepons, they dont reform their country and some bilioners instead of investing their money in Russia prefer to buy properties in UK or football clubs LOL ... it is really good because in this race they are going to lost again ...

Russians are very dangerous.They can terrify Europe and the whole world when the circumstances allow them to do so.

yes we know that ... but there is one very important thing ... most of European leaders realized that Russia is dangerous ... and everybody look on them like on China ... it is very importand partner but (...)

so we dont have to be that one who shout: "Russia this Russia that". It is enought to compare articles in western press abut Russia now with those form the past ... Now we can act more proffesionaly ...

It is possible that Russia abandons the 80's treaty and restart missiles production of middle range,capable to target Poland and Czech Republic.They have also equipped Belarus army with short range missiles that are capable of targeting Poland.

They invest much of the oil-gaines money on weapons production,some of which they sell for further profits.
They control crucial sources of energy which they use as a tool for political influence.

we know that ...
honestly do you think Russia will use nuclear wepons ?

so I think it is good that they spend their money on bombs they are not going to use ...

and it is great they showed their face for whole world ... Do you remember Blair talking about Putin that he is true democrat... or Chirac Schoreder greate friends of Putin ...

now Russia is second China ... important but dangerous ...

i am more affraid of USA, Germany, Britain, France.... honestly

Those powers doing whatever they want, anywhere in the world, no matter what is legal or illegal according to United Nations. Even more, they openly confront with key principles of UN. They don`t ask nobady nothing and don`t expect that somebody support them. They are masters of propaganda and slanderings, they could easely destroy whole country or politicians which don`t obey to them. They assimilate and spread their languages and `values`, they attack, they are well coordinated.

Once Russia was dangerous. Today`s Russia doesn`t look so dangerous. Russia is a little baby, for THEM.

because you are Serb ... Russian ally

They do not need to.They are developing a conventional bomb that has destruction power equal to that of an atomic bomb.They will be able to use it without violating any treaty.

Anyway democracy does not fit Russia.It failed miserably when they tried to apply the westrn model.They need a firm,iron hand like Putin's.



It is normal to be afraid of someone who bombed you.

but, you are Pole, you know that Racowie doesn`t obey to nobady

and, our last charge, would be remembered as last charge of free Slavs

Christ upon us!


i know many people who would for whole life suffer consequences because of NATO bombing

yeah mate i'm sure you do, those dam NATO lot hay they just drop their bombs with no reason at all. Nothing to do with ethnic clensing was it by any chance????

I'm waiting for Crow reply ;)))

yeah mate ... yeah mate... , while governmants of so called West colaborate with worse Muslim mujaheedines

i can inform you about facts and I`m sure you can show me how BBC and CNN programed you

fact is that in WWII, in German pupet state Croatia was murdered and in genocide destroyed 700.000 Serbs and numerous were ethnicale clensed from autohtonous Serbian regions

fact is that in last Civil War 1991-1995 from territories in today`s Croatia where Serbs were autohtonous population was ethnicale clensed about 500.000 Serbs, numerous were killed

fact is that from Kosovo, where Serbs were autohtonous population was ethnicale clensed more then 500.000 Serbs, numerous were killed, in period 1941-1999


Luk, i maybe failed to give my message to Poles hire but, remember something what would this Racowie tell to you and i won`t use honest Racowie name in my mouth without reason.

Be adwise brate, NATO ride with mujaheedines and that`s how it is

One day it would be clear to Poles and then, Poles and Racowie will fight for freedom side by side again.

This is interesting.First time I read that.Can you bring statistical data how many were the Serbs in Kosovo in 19th century?In 1941?In 1945?And in 1991?Now?It would be interesting.If you want to fight them,bring them statistics.

sometimes i am in the mood for links, sometimes i`m not. Sometimes have time, sometimes don`t but, anyway

i never expected that Poles blindely listen what i have to say

i only expected that they, when somebody spit on Racowie, investigate for their own a little thru world online encyclopedia`s, thru Serbian sources, even thru Western sources which offering different picture about events on Balkan (there are many on the Net).

this Racowie expected only that, no more, no less