Poland-Russia: never-ending story?

Krym should belong to Russia or Ukraina ?

To Poland.

;) (we know that but psss )

Like Genghis Khan? :) Currently I read book about theory of civilizations invented by pre-WWII Polish professor of Jagiellonian University in Krakow. ("Teoria cywilizacji Feliksa Konecznego", Bezat Piotr) Highly interesting lecture but I thought that Koneczny exaggerated when he classified Russia to Turanian (Nomad) civilization (instead to Byzantium) but such statement from you proofs him right! :)


Beside of that you learned nothing from collapse of communism, (lack of historicism, another problem of Turanian civilization) you ignore the problem of raising prices that you need to challenge everyday. But you care about:


.... Georgian president who by no way have influence on you life, no matter whether he is dictator or democrat.

Partially to Russia (T'mu-Tarakan' principality), partially to Greks (south part).

AAA!!! Jagellonian university!!!! Now, I understate all!!!! It's a fantasticaly clerical and aggresively pro-polish university...certanly anti-scientific...al in all, the works of the proffessors from this place may be interesting only for Polish jingo


Do you have something against nomads? Hmm, yes i think that I have some nomadic parts in my blood...and what, i bet that you have the same content


Abselutely no, but we inherited their courage...

no comment ... do you have any better Univ in Russia ? ... I dont think so


ConstantineK

as to your Mongolian heros:

you should notice that Russia was one of the last countries on West (Mongolians came form Asia) Mongolians occupied ... they havent occupied Poland ... so It seams ok you feel so many connections with ancient Mongolian warriors :)))) ;P

You havent answered my question

How do you see our PL-RUS relationships in future ?

Sorry, just checked the rankings - Russia State Uni in Moscow -64 worldwie, Jagiellonian - oops - 300 th group:( This should count for something , no?

other than the fact that he seems to enjoy murdering his political opponents, he's a swell guy

According to Koneczny this is not race, nationality, language or religion but
"social morphology" the crucial thing that decide to which civilization some people belong.


He was also on Vilnius University as far as I remember. However this is not important at all, the point is whether his theory has some sense or not. I think that he made a lot of good points.

Beside of that such rankings are nonessential like EUFA or FIFA soccer rankings. Anyway how current rankings reflect the reality of pre or just after WWII?

I didnt say that it is a bad Univercity, may be in the area of chemistry or physics it is rather prominent, but not only in the sciences related to Russia, becouse it have too biased opinions. Sure we can take it into account but not as a base for our comments cocerning Russia, their history, customs or people.


Mongols are not my heros, truly I have very dim observations about ther history, but as I remember, Poland was too briefly occupied as Russia, so I think that you are the carrier of mongolian gene pool too.


I suppose that tis relations will be not simple any way


Repeating ones more. YOU HAVE NO REAL AND TRUE EVIDENCES OF THIS FACT!!! I think that it is just dirty PR and rumours....

we had wars agains them but we were never occupied by them ...

Alas no, the Poland was totally destructed by them after Russians

Monglols invaded Poland in 1240 and went as far as Legnica. In 1241 they withdrew on their own. No other Asian armies invaded Poland since that time.

But I wonder what kind of "total" destruction" do you mean. If something was standing in Poland before 1240 and wasn't destroyed by subsequent wars then it is still stanidng there. One prominent example is The Mariacki Cathedral in Cracow, and then hundreds, perhaps thousands more throughout Souther Poland.

There was brief defeat, there was no total destruction. You must be confusing Mongols with the Germans :)

Maybe things would improve if Russia took responsibility for Katyn and eastern Poland being sent to concentration camps. From what I read the Polish that could not get out of Siberia are not treated today as equals.

on those issues and, on some others, Poles have full support in Serbian public (in all social levels- 100%) and Serbs expect that Russia cooperate hire

yes, i know, Soviets are to blame on the first place. That is also great truth but, as long as somebody of Russian ethicity (even only one man) for any (political, private or bussines) reason benefits on those issues, Russia must accept full responsibility

Forgive each others Poles and Russians. Don`t let that enemies of Slavdom are happy because of Slavic divisons!

You have all reasons to forgive. You had problems thru history, serious problems but you never tried to exterminate each others. Your both (nor Polish, nor Russians) inteligentsia never adopts such a plan or ideology, while we very well know that first enemy of Slavs- German inteligentsia created ideology of pure evil and tried to exterminate us all.

... and, when you arise in mutual cooperation, when you consolidate on all fields, Slavic children would walk with dignity and God and nature would smile on that.

In order to heal and start fresh history must be dealt with. Germany has admitted to and continues with restitution and this is the differance.

I think Polish people deserve the truth in history. Families paid the highest price and the ones that lived to tell at last can speak. This is not just from Russia but also from SS Ukraine. I am in the USA and read the rewritten history knowing the truth.

My father was 7 when they were deported and is not getting younger. He deserves the truth and other to say we are so sorry. His mother, two sisters and one brother lost their lives. Something like that will not be forgotten. Forgiveness starts with the truth. When this takes place trust can be built.

great truth has been said

i agree

I have to agree, personaly I dont want anybody to feel sory, all I want is historical truth.

as to Ukrainians (mostly western) in 1920 they formed the army (Petlura) and they were on our side in war agians Russians (case of 1920 is much more complicated but Petlura army is fact) ... we were strong enought to defend our country but not strong enought to reach Kiev again and give Ukrainians independence (independent Ukraina menas safety on our eastern border) ... in 1941 - 1944 the same Ukrainias (mostly western) decided to fight on Germans side (SS Galicien) and were murdering Poles Jews and Russians together with Germans ... Now we have very close ties just because we have some businesses to do together. What is important we dont false history ...

very good, very good

that`s the only way

You cannot oppose western Ukraine.They are the ones willing to join Europe.If you turn against them,Russians will prevail all over Ukraine.

of course we know that ...that is why we support them so strong ... that is why they recognise Poles as their best friends ... hmmmm how to say it business is busniess ...

Why are people still arguing about whether Poland or Russia is the better country? Makes no sense to me.

when I read English press I notice that they like to compare themselves to French (esspecialy in cases in which they are better ;) ) . We do the same with Russians and Germans ;)

I'm Polish too bud, I've been part of this forum for almost a year (under a different name before) and people have been arguing over the same facts for months on end. I see no point in it. Topics like this keep the forum from moving on...

Important topic is who has better vodka,Poland or Russia.

but it is interesting ;) prices of gas increase ... point for Russia ;) our IT sector developes ... point for us ;)

We develope quicker that Germans ... point for us ;) Germans are still much richer than we are ... point for them ;)

That's totally an opinion. Some people think Russian vodka is, others think us Poles make better vodka.

hey melon head:)

Eyyyy..... :]

How you been? Bumping heads with a few Russians lately?

I am good. WHo? me or you?