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Poland-Russia: never-ending story?


Polson  5 | 1767  
30 Oct 2007 /  #631
"The Lost Empire"...good movie title ;)
When Russia will see how life in Poland is better than their, they will begin to concentrate on what is really important at last...being almighty is never good (and quite impossible today), being smart and reasonnable is the secret ;) LoL
Lukasz  49 | 1746  
30 Oct 2007 /  #632
When Russia will see how life in Poland is better than their, they will begin to concentrate on what is really important at last...being almighty is never good (and quite impossible today), being smart and reasonnable is the secret ;) LoL

Russians Russians ... what is interesting I personaly know some Russians and their view of modern Russia so when I read interviews with Putin or read opinins of constantineK ... ehhh no comment.
Polson  5 | 1767  
30 Oct 2007 /  #633
You mean they don't like Putin and wish they had a better government and situation ?...
Lukasz  49 | 1746  
30 Oct 2007 /  #634
maybe it is not about Putin ...

Russians dont know what is freedom ... when they come to other country and see the difference they are normal (they have some strange customs but every nation have some) When you start discuss with them drink some vodka ... they will tell you that Russia sucks (not Russian people but system) it is long story ... as to Russia and democracy it is enought to read Truhlei (on this forum in this topic) they would like to have it, but unfortumately they never had any expirience with it ...
lesser  4 | 1311  
30 Oct 2007 /  #635
You mean they don't like Putin and wish they had a better government and situation ?...

Majority of Russians like Putin. This is just a fact that I can only confirm from my personal experiences.
Polson  5 | 1767  
30 Oct 2007 /  #636
Next presidential elections are coming if i remember well, and Putin won't try it again...Good news or what...? ;)
Lukasz  49 | 1746  
30 Oct 2007 /  #637
Majority of Russians like Putin. This is just a fact that I can only confirm from my personal experiences.

beacuse they dont know other system they had always authorative dictators tshars ... It is enought to talk with Russian who live in forigin country for longer time, I mean open private conversation in small group and friendly atmosphere ... I know I wouldnt like to live in Russia

Next presidential elections are coming if i remember well, and Putin won't try it again...Good news or what...? ;)

nothing will change, we will have new KGB agent, or Putin will do the same as Prime Minister ...
Polson  5 | 1767  
30 Oct 2007 /  #638
nothing will change, we will have new KGB agent, or Putin will do the same as Prime Minister ...

Oh poor them...i mean the population, cause the gov is big sh*t ;)
Lukasz  49 | 1746  
30 Oct 2007 /  #639
yes it is big sh*t and we have only problems with this sh*t ;) hopefuly this sh*t isnt so "big" and "strong" as it was ;)
Polson  5 | 1767  
30 Oct 2007 /  #640
yes it is big sh*t and we have only problems with this sh*t ;)

What are the problems apart from the energy issues ?...if Poland manages to stop being dependent of Russian energy, many problems would be solved...right ?
Lukasz  49 | 1746  
30 Oct 2007 /  #641
right it is main issue, what is more, they want to trade with old EU but in the same moment they make embargo on Polish products. We cant make embargo on their, because we are part of EU and we are part of EU trade union... so we have to react in different way ... when this problems will be solved we can forget about them ;)
Polson  5 | 1767  
30 Oct 2007 /  #642
Ok. So, once again, we have to wait and see what will happen with the next Russian gov...
Lukasz  49 | 1746  
30 Oct 2007 /  #643
I m not optimistic but we will see ... maybe our new gov will deal with it ... or Russian new gov will deal with it ... we will see.
Crow  154 | 9341  
30 Oct 2007 /  #644
Bosnian Serbs demonstrate against NATO and Americans: Putin je Tsar!

Yes, Serbs expect more then verbal support from Russia and, we would see about Putin- who he realy is, Slavic hero or great failure

United Lands of Serbs are on the way as respond on advancing anti-Slavic pressure on region. That`s why Bosnian Serbs (from Serb Republik) domontrate. They demand unity with other Serbian lands in Serbia and they refuse to live in state which is false creation of evil coalition.
Crnogorac  3 | 111  
30 Oct 2007 /  #645
maybe it is not about Putin ... Russians dont know what is freedom ... when they come to other country and see the difference they are normal (they have some strange customs but every nation have some) When you start discuss with them drink some vodka ... they will tell you that Russia sucks (not Russian people but system) it is long story ... as to Russia and democracy it is enought to read Truhlei (on this forum in this topic) they would like to have it, but unfortumately they never had any expirience with it ...

I was a fool for thinking of going next summer to the Bahamas, when Guantanamo is a paradise on Earth!

I mean whats wrong with Guantanamo? You receive a nice orange garment, (Western European metrosexuals would be so jelous of) they play Metallica for you throughout the whole day, they kick you in the ribs a little, but that is nothing compared to being kicked by a 75 year old grandma once she noticed an empty seat on tram no. 11. The climate is very nice, you can see the tans of these guys sunbathing, perpetual spring, across the wire fence is Fidel's own piece of paradise on Earth... and there is even the song Guantanamera, although its pronounced differently just to keep away fat German tourist ladies.

Did anyone escape from there? No. If it was such a bad place and the hotel guests were not satisfied, everyone would have left already. Every other notion is just a dirty Euro-leftist Islam loving propaganda.

At first I thought of a holiday package tour arrangement from the travel agent for a weeks time, but then, why stay there for only 6-7 days, when the real players are staying 3 to 4 years, I mean see them on TV, they are kneeling before their local hotel attendants just so they don't send them back... in truth you have to be very careful with outstanding accomodation fees because the Americans can get you really screwed if you don't pay straightforward and on time.

As we have witnessed by the TV reports, Abu Ghraib is fast becoming another popular summer holiday destination, American girls in uniform, not naked neither attractive but if you like S-M type of games... apart from the guests self initiative to roam around naked and play twister, spread faeces on themselves and the like, there's bound to be fun for everyone!

As a bonus, they even get to wear a Halloween costume and play hide and seek.

ABU GHRAIB
Lukasz  49 | 1746  
30 Oct 2007 /  #646
I have several times written about USA mistakes ...

they F***** middle east case in way they couldnt done worst ...

all in all I prefere USA than Russia ...
Crnogorac  3 | 111  
30 Oct 2007 /  #647
Ukratko, saèuvaj me Bože Amerièke kulture i Zapadne DemoNkratije.
Polson  5 | 1767  
30 Oct 2007 /  #648
Hmm........sure..............i'm off, toilets... hehe LoL ;)

toilets

It's not true, cause i never go to toilets, i'm not from the Earth... ;)
ConstantineK  26 | 1298  
31 Oct 2007 /  #649
Hemm as I see, you all have a strong intention to excite me jointly, by your words against Russian government and order?
z_darius  14 | 3960  
31 Oct 2007 /  #650
all have a strong intention to excite me jointly, by your words against Russian government and order

I think everybody is cool with the Russian government and order, as long as both are kept within Russian borders.
ConstantineK  26 | 1298  
31 Oct 2007 /  #651
Next presidential elections are coming if i remember well, and Putin won't try it again...Good news or what...? ;)

It is neither good nor bad news, becase he strongly supports our Constitution and acts in according with it

Quoting: ConstantineK
all have a strong intention to excite me jointly, by your words against Russian government and order

I think everybody is cool with the Russian government and order, as long as both are kept within Russian borders.

Hemmm...I dont remember exactly but I think that there wasnt any war with any countries around RF, am i right?
Lukasz  49 | 1746  
31 Oct 2007 /  #652
ConstantineK

what about black mailing and nird stream what about embargo ?

why you avoid this dicussion
ConstantineK  26 | 1298  
31 Oct 2007 /  #653
Quoting: Polson
What are the problems apart from the energy issues ?...if Poland manages to stop being dependent of Russian energy, many problems would be solved...right ?

right it is main issue, what is more, they want to trade with old EU but in the same moment they make embargo on Polish products. We cant make embargo on their, because we are part of EU and we are part of EU trade union... so we have to react in different way ... when this problems will be solved we can forget about them ;)

Well it will be very interesting to hear some examples of solving this problem

ConstantineK

what about black mailing and nird stream what about embargo ?

why you avoid this dicussion

Who was blackmailed? Ukranians? It is not truth, they were just treatened by this fact. Gazprom pursueded only one aim, to solve a problem with ukranians debts. But ukranian government in the times of Timoshenko was just a thief.

Ambargo? Which emargo do you mean? On polish meat?

Besides, why do yo think that embargo is unacceptable tool in course of world economy and politic? Why US can impose a ban on the trade with whole countries like Cuba Irak, Iran, Yugoslavia, N.Korea, China, Russia, Siria and we, russians cannot? Why? I think that it is a double standards!!! We also have such countries which politic annoys us and we also have desire to improve it by soft power....
Lukasz  49 | 1746  
31 Oct 2007 /  #654
Besides, why do yo think that embargo is unacceptable tool in course of world economy and politic? Why US can impose a ban on the trade with whole countries like Cuba Irak, Iran, Yugoslavia, N.Korea, China, Russia, Siria and we, russians cannot? Why? I think that it is a double standards!!! We also have such countries which politic annoys us and we also have desire to improve it by soft power....

we are part of EU trade union, we cant make embargo on Russia, that is why we react how we can whta means we block agreements between you and EU ... it isnt our problem that you live in XIX century. And you use embargo without any reasons just to break us ...

Who was blackmailed? Ukranians? It is not truth, they were just treatened by this fact. Gazprom pursueded only one aim, to solve a problem with ukranians debts. But ukranian government in the times of Timoshenko was just a thief.

what with Lithuenia wheny you stoped sending oil just when they decided to sell Poland their rafinery, you had agreement with them and you broken it, and made embargo to breake them. The same with Estonia when they decided to move monument of Russian occupators form the center you used energetic black mail.

Ambargo? Which emargo do you mean? On polish meat?

not only on other porducts as well ...
ConstantineK  26 | 1298  
31 Oct 2007 /  #655
Quoting: ConstantineK
Besides, why do yo think that embargo is unacceptable tool in course of world economy and politic? Why US can impose a ban on the trade with whole countries like Cuba Irak, Iran, Yugoslavia, N.Korea, China, Russia, Siria and we, russians cannot? Why? I think that it is a double standards!!! We also have such countries which politic annoys us and we also have desire to improve it by soft power....

we are part of EU trade union, we cant make embargo on Russia, that is why we react how we can whta means we block agreements between you and EU ... it isnt our problem that you live in XIX century. And you use embargo without any reasons just to break us ...

Well it's you problem that you are in the EU trade union, as I know, russia is not a part of this respected union, so she may solve problems with embargo too. Eu standards is not the same in Russia! You can change your policy for the sake of trade and i think that there will be no problems...See on Hungarya or Czech!!!

Quoting: ConstantineK
Ambargo? Which emargo do you mean? On polish meat?

not only on other porducts as well ...

Well?
Lukasz  49 | 1746  
31 Oct 2007 /  #656
well hmmmm

there will be no arement between you na EU

and you will never join WTO until you will learn something. And now kiss our a s s

as to nord stream Finland Sweeden and Estonia rejected this project so you are in trouble not we ...

bye
ConstantineK  26 | 1298  
31 Oct 2007 /  #657
I offended you national pride? Sorry me Lukasz!!!!
Lukasz  49 | 1746  
31 Oct 2007 /  #658
no

I just noticed the fact, and as I good remember in case of Russia PO and PiS are very simillar

bye bye constantine
Crnogorac  3 | 111  
31 Oct 2007 /  #660
In 1941 when the German Nazi's invaded Yugoslavia, on stories which are spreading throughout cities and villages in Serbia, about how the Russians would now save us, one Serbian general addresses the people:

"Russia does not exist, only Sovietia does. They will not bring you freedom, those whom certain people describe as Russians, instead they would bring your freedom into question, remember this well, exactly from their, Soviet victory…

You should not forget these facts: Sovietia does not lead any Russian, and even less Slavic politics, instead only it's own communist one.

The aim of it's politic is neither World peace, neither European peace, neither Free World, neither freedom of individual nations, neither prosperity of the working class, instead only total world wide revolution from which should emerge upheaval of every national and Christian framework, from which should ascend the rule of the communists over all other people and countries."

Friedrich Engels was a social scientist and philosopher, who developed communist theory alongside his better-known collaborator, Karl Marx, co-authoring The Communist Manifesto (1848). Both were of Jewish descent.

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