massacres of poles in volhynia 1943

Polish King


Michal Korybut Wisniowiecki

Reign From September 29, 1669
until November 10, 1673
Elected On June 19 1669 in Poland.
Coronation On September 29, 1669
in the Wawel Cathedral,
Kraków, Poland
Coat of Arms Korybut
Predecessor Jan Kazimierz II Waza
Successor Jan III Sobieski
Parents Jeremi Michal Wisniowiecki
Gryzelda Konstancja Zamoyska
Consorts Elenora Maria Józefa
Children with Eleonora Maria Józefa
none
Date of Birth July 31, 1640Events December 1 Portugal regains its independence from Spain and John IV of Portugal becomes king. Spain does not recognize the indepedence before 1668 Charles I summons and rapidly dismisses the Short Parliament in an attempt to fund the second of the

Place of Birth Olesko , Poland, (now UkraineUkraine Ukrayina in Ukrainian; in Russian) is a republic in eastern Europe which borders the Black Sea to the south, the Russian Federation to the east, Belarus to the north, Poland, Slovakia and Hungary to the west and Romania and Moldova to the west and)

Date of Death November 10, 1673
Place of Death Lwów, Poland, (now Ukraine)
Place of Burial Wawel, Swietokrzyska Chapel,
Kraków, Poland
buried on January 31, 1676

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Please don't represent such marasmic thing as was elective monarchy in Poland as generosity. It is not true.... Your Commonwealth was such a thing that if Japan had enough money at those times, sure enough you would tell me with a proud about Polish king of japanese origin now

So what my friend ?
Russian czars were 100% Germans.
Anything wrong ?

I knew that you would cite such instances back.
Ok, Russian tsars had traces of russian blood, even Catherine II, she had Rurikid ancestors.
But blood affairs are not the point, Vindsors are Germans too. The point is, that You always were trading with your crown. Knowing this, even most odious men like Henryk Walezy had had an aversion to rein over you.

Walezy had hadan aversion to rein over you.

Oh really ?
First when offered French crown he escaped from Poland.
About 'trading" with Polish crown - it's obvious to me that Russian cannot understand even primitive forms of democracy.

BTW. speaking of your German czars...
Do you know that even Ruriks were Finns not Russians?
With admixture of the noble West-Slavonic blood lol.
It's DNA proven fact.

The trading of your own independance on sejms and democracy? Do they have something in common? Think no! It is not democracy, it is a shame. Ancient Romans too had an elective monarchy by they hadn't permited such disgrace. There was one man who had tried to buy first place in empire, but afterthat he was killed by his own guardians with contempt (Julianus I)

Killings and intrigues were common in Russia when changing a czar.
Your beloved Sophie Zerbst von Anhalt murdered his own man.
You were already given some "good" examples from your own history.

In general European kings or rulers were not allowed to use mass killings (don't tell me about some exceptions) to maintain "law and order" like Asiatic Russia.

That's it.
Having such a neighbor Poland was simple too democratic.

I'm leaving for some days.
See you my friend.

President Lech Kaczyñski has been evasive about the 1943 Volhynia massacre, claims RZECZPOSPOLITA.

Do you want me to dig out some stuff Polish people did to Ukrainians then?

You either stay in the past or you move on. Take your pick.

BTW Julia Tymoszenko is visiting Poland today, so perhaps Donald and her are able to move on after all.

were there attacks on Ukrainians civilians by Poles during WW II ???
Hard to believe...

IMO This subject must be dealt with as it continues to hurt relations. We are talking 100,000 vs. 50 to 100.

Ukraine makes it a crime to deny 1932-33 while telling Poland to move on seems silly.

Question: If we (The people!) can shake hands, and agree that we're not that much different from eachother, and are all able to make the same mistakes every once in a while, then what else do we have to deal with?

Answer: A few politicians who are still bickering over historical events that most of us haven't experienced personally, that most of us know little next to nothing about, and that most of us didn't even start.. So why should a possible friendship, bussiness or even relationships with people from other countries have to suffer from all sorts of events that most of us didn't to eachother? That's right, I'm 27 and I wasn't there, and if you're 27 too then you weren't there. So what are we bickering about? Because our nationalities are different? We're all coming from the same mother you know.

If you would write a book, wouldn't it be silly to write on the page which was already written? Wouldn't it be better to turn the page? So why not use the blank page and write about something new tomorrow? Do you know the old saying? Only the victorious write history? Well, the victorious also have a tendency of only writing about their side of the story, and their version of the truth, when the truth usually can be found right in the middle..

I know it sounds a bit simple, and I realize that some people have actually been there, and have been suffering from these tragic events and wars, and it's a good thing that those people tell us about those events in order to teach us something useful so that we may learn from them, and I respect that. But the last thing those people should do is pass on their problems, dislike and maybe even the hatred they may harbour against certain groups or nationalities unto their children, or even the next generation.

I wish I were 27. This may not personally affect you but many lost family in a very brutal manner. Mother, fathers, grandmother and grandfathers and so on to the still living. This was not to very long ago and under "communist Poland" the victims could not speak of the crimes. In order to have a trusting relationship this part of history must be dealt with.

Read the responses in Poland news from the readers. You cannot just tell victim's that grew up without loved ones to stay quiet.

Airen,

Can I ask if you had a sex change, it says your male but your avitar looks female?

If anybody had any doubt about motivation of his behavior, this case should finally expose him. If this would be about the Germans or Russians, he would be present for sure and delivering long speeches. I generally oppose politicians whom love to talk about history but one could expect some consequent policy on these matter from him. Either raise all such historical issues or nothing.

Anyway this is ridiculous, I mean to appease to minority of Ukrainians whom worship Bandera.

a few words about those who commited these crimes.it looks like UPA was similar to the german's SS but more sadistic
vikipedia says:
Brutal methods such as beheadings, disemboweling, and killing with knives and axes were employed against Polish villagers. In addition to the UPA, Ukrainian peasants also participated in the violence [11], and large groups of armed "bandit" marauders unaffiliated with UPA brutalized civilians. [62] so the exact number of Poles killed specifically by UPA is unknown. The UPA also killed ethnic Ukrainians who did not cooperate with them, as well as those Ukrainians who had intermarried with Poles. In anti-Polish actions from autumn 1943 in Galicia, the UPA conducted cooperative actions with detachments of regiments of the Galician Division [11]. The estimates of the number of Poles murdered in Ukraine range from 100,000 to 500,000; [63] many more Poles left the area because of the UPA actions.

- Perhaps not. Poland should never interfere in any of the Ukraininan matters, ever! Polish supporting the orange revolution was the dumbest act that imbeciles like Walesa could pull away. Again risking relations with Russia just so they can do the dirty job for Americans, trying to destabilize the region. We have nothing to do with Ukraine or Bialorus and it cant be us that shows them "democracy", at the end it will turn against Poland.

I don't think it actually did by supporting the Orange Revolution. Support and interfering are two different things.


I think that you are right.


this is a statement of somebody who is afraid to move on from the victim position. Poland is a fairly independant country and of of the reasons for siding with the Ukraine was to go against Russia.

if I am not mistaken you said a way back that you dont like Gerries because you are Dutch, considering that the war was even more brutal in Eastern Front, why are you demanding Poles to turn the page ?

- No. It’s a statement from somebody who believes that you have nothing to offer in return and not even economically but culturally. My family owns two large houses in Lvov which there robbed from; I still believe we should build the Chinese wall along the border. Poland should not be siding with anybody - it is healthier this way. Our only concern should be maintaining good relationships with business partners and I view Russia as such.


- We should not be supporting any revolutions, especialy there.

I hope you don't meant it literally, because I cannot see who would build one.
I understand your appetite for total separation form other countries including Ukraine, however it seems that Kaczynki's government was trying to do that and the consequences are obvious.


to tell you the truth I was in Poland at the time of Orange revolution and I was quite surprised by the enthusiasm of Poles. Walesa was not the only one who was supporting the Orange revolution as far as I am concerned.

I really am indifferent to what happens to the Ukrainian- Polish relationships.

- Just Ukraine. And its not appetite, only pure decency.


- I was there also and I haven’t met one single person that supported Polish involvement, other than of course puppet “politicians” size of Walesa.

What is the point? You seems to dislike Ukrainians so much and on other hand express your love to Russians. Any common sense here?


Of course Poland did interfere, this is obvious. We could discuss whether this was good or bad move, however this is other issue.

Is Donald Duck her boyfriend?

- I just don’t see one single reason why we should be kind towards primitives that on a first occasion they get show up with a hammer and crush your child’s skull with it; supporting their orange uprising was the dumbest thing Poland could do. They cant even admit of wrongdoing always pointing for reasons and calling psycho- murders heroes worth of statues in Ukrainian parks…There are no reasons for bestial acts, period. As much as loving Russians...don’t go that far. We should by now learn our place living near them instead of pissing them off on every single occasion we can get. Making money should be our only concern instead of idealistic and patriotic mumbo jumbo. I hope this is clear enough.

I am so impressed. It turned out that Poles have sane persons too....

yes. alot of the world feels this way towards the polish


again. a very polish trait


yes. definately polish

- a lot of the world doesn't know the difference between: Slovenia and slovakia (including US president), left and right, WWI and WWII, a lot of Americans doesn't know that Canada has no president (including Obama), binary and hexadecimal... Learn to live with it.


- Its commonly associated with a good will, remorse and ability to work with the past not forgetting it.


- Well, not too many communistic countries still left for you to live in buddy, so hurry before Cuba converts. And its actually associated with Semites.

there is nothing to be proud of since it is a basic knowledge and it unfortunately shows in your posts as well. Hard core, black and white thinking which cannot be changed.

There was a really good comment of PF once about thinking and it had to do with learning HOW to think and not WHAT to think. Just comes to mind when I read your posts.

- I merely stated the fact that some children are slower...

I am appalled by the lack of knowledge on the part of responders about the crimes of OUN-UPA and its various military and para-military formations, namely the SS and auxiliary police. It seems that no one knows the scope of these crimes. At least 120-160,000 people were murdered in Wolyn alone.. SS-Roland murdered thousands of Jews and Poles in Lwow and surrounding regions when they accompanied the German army in June of 1941. In the first six months in 1944, 50,000 of the remaining Poles were murdered by SS-Galizien and UPA. Even Germans were appalled by the bestiality of these deranged hateful people.

For the “forgive, forget and lets get on” crowd, let me ask you what it is that you are trying to forgive. Would it be the hanging of dead Polish children on fences, a most popular expression of the hatred of these people? Did the OUN-UPA perpetrators ask for forgives? Would you forgive the Nazi party and its SS? That is what OUN and UPA were respectively and still are. There can not be any “forgiveness” until the Ukrainian nation as a whole condemns the Extremist Nazis among them, the OUN and UPA instead of building monuments to them. Most you are oblivious of the depth of hatred among Ukrainian ultranationalists towards Poland and Poles. Even during Stalinist era when as many 1.5-2 million Ukrainians form Wolyna, Tarnopol, Lwov and Stanislawow were deported to Syberia or killed, the hatred of OUN was directed against Poland.

Please, no more lying, distorting and apologizing for some of the most hideous crimes of WWII, not committed by the Germans or the Soviets, but by the Ukrainians.