Jews...and their Polish experience

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What does "Ashkenaz" mean...translated in regard to Germany?

it seems the Bratwurst is killing you brain cells

Umm....There was no "Germany" at that time...it can very well be that the Jews had their own name for the lands they now lived in.

Don't you think so too?

Just googled a bit....a possible meaning:

Book Moses, 10. chapter....Ashkenaze is one son of Japhet and some Rabbies think he is the "Ur-father (proto German so to speak)" of the Germans that's why middle european Jews called themselves Ashkenazim...

Ah ja...

'Ashkenaz' is a middle-age Hebrew translation for Germany...but the name is also interesting because: 'Nasi' is an Aramaic (Hebrew dialect spoken in Palestine during &

after the life of Jesus) word which means 'prince' or more simply 'leader'...so 'Askenazi' could be transliterated as 'Princes of Germany'...also, the Khazars, who were discussed earlier, considered themselves to be descendants of Japeth, a son of Noah, from the Bible...Ashkenaz was a great grandson of Japeth...now another son of Noah was Shem.

who the present Middle-Eastern people, or Semites are descended from...descendents of Japeth/Ashkenaz are not Semites...confused yet?...another twist: the German National Socialists, as far as I have studied, never called themselves 'Nazis'...this term

was a creation of the Jewish/Zionist organizations in America/NYC in the late 30's & early
40's when Hitler came to power...I mention this as a curiosity.

Hmmm...I've read in Shirer's "The rise and fall of the third Reich" the term "Nazi" originated in Bavaria first...

I have to say that was really interesting to me, my mother is dark skinned and dark brown eyes (obviously dark hair or was when she was younger) her grand father was jewish - he was adopted around the late 19th century (circa. 1875) but only used his own name when he joined the army to fight (he used his birth name - just to clarify - the name he had before he was adopted) Bachon, any ideas on the origin of this name.

Bachon is a surname of French origins. There were a lot of Jews in France, some were Ashkenazic and some Sepharadic (mostly in the Southern part of France, near the borders with Spain). Dark-Skinned? Most of the Ashkenazic and the Sepharadic Jews have a light skin. thats weird. But there were Jews that were dark-skinned in europe, although they were a very small percentage of the Jewish population there.


- You should read my message again. Most of the Ashkenazim are of Jewish origins, came from the land of Israel, and only a very small part of them is of Khazar origins.

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By the way, I'm new here, and I'll be the Israeli ambassador to this website :P

That is why they faced such a royal treatment in Germany.

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"Ashkenaz" in the Bible meant some other european or turkish ethnic group. But in the middle ages it was used by Jews to refer to the german areas and the rhineland. In those days there were three main areas of jewish communities: germany-france (called "ashkenaz") , Spain (called "sefarad") and Iraq (called "bavel" or babylon). There were Jews in many other places too, but these were the main centers.

Ashkenazi jews of today descend from the jews of france and germany who migrated eastward to bohemia, poland, lthuania and the rest of eastern europe. The khazars were much further east and their civilization had nothing to do with "ashkenazim".

People use the "Khazar" argument to deligitimize jews living in Israel. My question to this argument is: Do you want us to live in Poland or germany? Polish people always told Jews to "go back to palestine". We did. So what are you compaining about now?

Why should I care where you live? If you are here legally and don't have problem with Poles then people wont care about it. Why do you want to create problems that don't exist?


Religious Jews left, capitalist Jews left and those damn commie Jews still here! :)

In one post you say on the one hand that jews can live in poland, like there's no problem, and on the other hand you complain about "those damn commie Jews" that are still in poland. Your bigotry is so obvious it makes you look ridiculous.

Here's a bit of news: We have a country, Israel, and we don't need your permission to live there. We certainly don't need your permission to live in Poland, because no Jew is interested in moving to Poland.

No. You make yourself look ridiculous. You came to this forum and the only thing you do is pathetic attempt to play a victim. Now call me antisemitic.

I'm not a victim. I don't live in Poland so it doesn't affect me if Poles hate me or not. It has no importance. But i am interested in Polish history and Jewish-Polish history, and I think it's fascinating how Polish attitudes towards Jews has nothing to do with actual Jews. Most of the things you think you know about us have no connection to reality.

There is no such thing as "Polish attitudes towards Jews".


You don't know what I think I know.

No such thing as Polish attitudes toward Jews? Look around this forum. Look at your own posts.

You come here, write in each and every of your posts about Jews, so who the hell should I write back about ? Aborigines ?

You know I'm a bit different :) I have some amount of German blood in my veins. The first sentence was from a Pole, the second was prepared by this German part of me. So in general you cannot blame Poles for this. Blame Germans :)

By the way this is funny that so many Jews I met on the internet have problem with history of Poland while they rarely raise the German issue. It is linked with amount of compensation that both states pay the Jews? Since you appeared in this forum, please answer. Let me know this interesting phenomena.

I don't raise the german issue because the role of the germans in killing Jews is so obvious that there's nothing to discuss. The germans don't deny it. We also have no argument with the Poles that the germans are the perpetrators - nobody claims that the holocaust was done by the Poles. The discussion between Jews and Poles is about the relationship between two ethnic-religious groups that lived in the same country for hundreds of years, sometimes in harmony, but more often with hostility and suspicion. It's an interesting topic and it has a lot of emotional baggage.

From my observation, majority of the Jews (at least from the US that I discussed with) complain about some rare pogroms (often with exaggeration) or other less serious misbehaviors of Poles. OK, I don't say that Poles are so innocent. On other hand those Jews are completely unaware (or completely in denial) of crimes committed by their compatriots against Poles. Add widespread opinion that they are not responsible to some extend for the rise of anti-Jewish sentiments because lack of willingness to truly assimilate among native population. The point is that before they start complain they should also think a bit about their own history.

I agree that any group that is hated might be partly to blame. In fact Jewish writers in the 19th and 20th century had all kinds of ideas of what Jews shoul be doing to stop people from hating them. But after a while they realized that no matter whether they assimilated or not, spoke Polish or Russian or german, dress like their Christian neighbors and ate the same food, were nationalists, communists or traditionalists - it made no difference. Jews can't remain Jews in some else's country. That conclusion is what led to political Zionism. The idea was that if we want to live as Jews, we have to live in our own country. And that's what happened. Unfortunately, most Jews waited too long.

This is human nature in action. Do you think that treatment of Polish minority in Germany or German minority in Poland were so great? Currently when Zionists realized they dream, the Jews should realize that they are not better than other nations. How many Jews would wish to get rid Arabs from Israel?

Human nature, as you say. I have a lot to say about that, but the thing with the Arabs is for another forum altogether.

All Europe grabed the chance the nazis gave to get rid of Jews one way or another.

One cannot blame all countries. Some like Poland have not much too say. Bulgaria or Spain for example saved many Jews. Although I suppose that number of Jews in these countries wasn't that big.

Jews of Greece begged Franco to accept them to Spain when the Germans invaded Greece.The german authorities agreed to expell them to Spain as Jews of spanish ancestry.Spain refused to accept them and they all died in Auschwitz.(50000-100000 Jews).

I never heard before this story about Greek Jews. I will try to find what is about later. Franco did saved many Spanish Jews from German hands. He was awarded by Jewish institute Yad Vashem with the title of "gentile". I believe the Jews analyzed his biography before granted such award.

I fully sympathise with you, but please do not look at the world through your perspective only.
There is about three millions of Palestinians who are denied access to their homes.
It is not Polish fault a Jew is denied access to his ancestral home in Poland. About 10 million Poles cannot get to their homes in what is now Ukraine and Lithuania.

I think that all Jews should unite and finally start to bark at the right tree.

Very good attitude.You could say ''how have I never heard of this''?Or if I was not informed about this,it means that it did not happen'',or ''if it happened and I did not watch it means it is not important'',or ''I have the right not know it since I was not informed about it'',or ''people who decide what I watch,have not showed me this,so I do not need to know it or ''hey smartass,do you think we are stupid?We ignore you mothafucka'' etc.

But you have a healthy attitude.