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Crnogorac  3 | 111  
14 Nov 2007 /  #241
Admin should lock It.

If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.

The offensive parts shoud be edited but the thread most definitely not locked.
hunfriend  1 | 38  
14 Nov 2007 /  #242
OK. I admit I was too quick, and hot tempered, and Armenian genocide issue deserves more, maybe another topic.
ShelleyS  14 | 2883  
14 Nov 2007 /  #243
It was proved more then once that the most furiouse anisemites were half-blooded people (partially Jews).

Hmmm, Im part jew and Im quite happy about it, no fury here :) also dating a Hungarian - he doesnt seem to mind either :)

hunfriend = fasz fej
Crnogorac  3 | 111  
14 Nov 2007 /  #244
I have to say that you are overdoing it a bit, with these positive stands on Jewry and masons, by people who usually do not understand the whole subject.

It was mentioned earlier the incompetence of those people who reputedly emphasize the Jewish threat and who see all around them some sort of conspiracies.

Someone said that all of them are paranoid teens and uneducated people.
Here are now a few quotations of these uneducated people and their thoughts on International Jewry:

jewwatch.com/jew-references-gentile-whatotherssay.htm

This is just some of the statements of individuals, famous persons from history about the chosen people. There is so much of it that its unbelievable.

About the objections I received where I quoted World famous men, I can say that the point was their attitude towards Jewry, and all of them were very competent people in different fields and surely their words left a deep mark.

Sure, the Revolution was warrantable end of monarchy in Russia, and sure Jews played significant role in it, but not as a Jewish nation, but only as a citizens and sure they were on the both sides. But in the same time, I confirm that famous POGROMS in the pre-Revolution times had a considerble grounds.

The biggest problem in this lies in fact that there are different approaches itself to the Jewish question, religious and biologic. Throughout history, expulsions of Jews were mostly based on the religious basis and it was thought they were the people who betrayed Christ, that they are the ones who serve an evil and dangerous religion. It means, the problem itself is within Judaism and the religious tendency of these people. It was believed that if the Jews were to abandon their religious beliefs and convert to Christianity, that then the problems with them would disappear. In the same way, some believed that Jews atheists would be just and altogether different to those devoted to Judaism. And they are capable like a chameleon to blend with their surroundings and change their jerseys, only to utilize current advantages which that period enables. Without consideration if a Jew marches in Palestine under the Israeli flag, if he marches over the Rhine under the German flag, or instead marches somewhere through Arizona with the American flag, or like your general marches with the Russian flag through Russia, he is everywhere in first place only a Jew. Only temporarily can he be a German, American or a Russian.

In every case, next to this approach which states that Judaism is the cause of Jewish destructiveness, there exists a biological approach, about which talked German racial theoreticians from the XIX and first half of XX century, that the situation is in reverse, instead it's that Jewish nature which also determines their religion in regards to the very philosophy of living. Just as European nations and their internal nature suits Christianity as a manifestation of their collective being, in that way the Jewish nation suits Judaism as a religion emerged from their collective unconscious.

Meaning the nature itself of one nation determines its religion, philosophy, ideology and overall behavior patterns. In that case neither Christianity, neither atheism cannot substantially change this inherited nature and those inherited patterns, that which was created for centuries and millenniums.
Lukasz  49 | 1746  
14 Nov 2007 /  #245
OMG

I see this thread have changed dramaticly, OK so I will tell you what I think

Our forign friends If you have problems with jews in your country, dont waist your time on PF, go and fight against them.

If any member of Jewish society reads this topic.

Our friend if you want you can come here and invest your money, build private hospital, open factory you are welcomed.
ConstantineK  26 | 1298  
14 Nov 2007 /  #246
The biggest problem in this lies in fact that there are different approaches itself to the Jewish question, religious and biologic. Throughout history, expulsions of Jews were mostly based on the religious basis and it was thought they were the people who betrayed Christ,

It is not exact, because the hatered toward Juwes was wide spreade long before Christ, in the time of Romanes. I suppose that this hatred was connected with the kinship between Jews and Phoenicians who was main foes of Romans in the peson of Carthaginian. And even erlier, Alexander III the Great granted to Jews an extraordinary benefits for Jews in his empire and this fact caused hatred against them from the Greeks (who thought they were first nation) and other nations. After that there were huge wars with Jews in the times of Ttus and Hadrian. So, Christianity only absorbed past prejudices against Jews and converted them in according with its superstitions.

Quoting: ConstantineK
It was proved more then once that the most furiouse anisemites were half-blooded people (partially Jews).

Hmmm, Im part jew and Im quite happy about it, no fury here :) also dating a Hungarian - he doesnt seem to mind either :)

Well, just wanted to ask - "Had you circumcised or not?" But after saw that you are female...Then it's ok

In every case, next to this approach which states that Judaism is the cause of Jewish destructiveness, there exists a biological approach

Sure the biological approach or Eugenics as science has its ground, but sure it cant be viewed as a basis for extermination.
Crnogorac  3 | 111  
14 Nov 2007 /  #247
You probably heard of the The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion,

biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm#Table - of Contents

renowned booklet about global Jewish conspiracy, which by official accounts was a forgery by the Russian secret service. Regardless to everything, what's interesting is that majority of those things from that booklet later really started materializing, and so today, the World is in accelerated motion traveling through that what there is stated.

Also is interesting the data of national composition of soviet governing structures after the revolution in Russia, where Russians there are a negligible percent, somewhere around 1 or 2 % while the Jews, imagine, in a vast majority of some 95%. All this can sound too much or not true but these are the facts that exist and which surely say a lot.
OBSERVER  
14 Nov 2007 /  #248
I didn't take BABYLON'S list of names for granted (see start of this topic), so I did a little research of my own. As a half-Jew, I'd be proud to know that all those important Poles are or were Jewish. But I also know that it is an old anti-Semitic practice to label anybody one doesn't like as Jewish. I typed "Is Lech Walesa Jewish?" (1st name on the list) into GOOGLE, and sure enough, there was no entry to confirm BABYLON's claim. As a matter of fact, Walesa is known to have expressed anti-Semitic sentiments, as in the instance when he 'accused' Tadeusz Mazowiecky of being Jewish during a campaign. The same thing happened with the Jacek Kuron and T. Mazowiecki searches. The only claim that checked out was that for Adam Michnik. I just serched the first several names to confirm my own suspicions about the accuracy of the list. I encourage the other forum participants to do the search for some other names and get a first-hand lesson in the veracity of anti-Semitic scholarship.

Cuj, dzeticu, kako te nije stid lagat? Dze ti je to crnogorsko cojstvo kojim se tvoji zemljaci toliko dice? A sto ne podastres dokaze za ono sto tvrdis? Lako je nesto izvalit pa mislit da ce cijeli svijet da ti vjeruje.

Hey, Montenegro! Aren't you ashamed to lie so openly? Where is that Montenegrin humane manliness that your countrymen are so proud of? Why don't you offer some evidence for your claims? It's easy to shoot off one's mouth, but do you really think that the world will buy it?
Lukasz  49 | 1746  
14 Nov 2007 /  #249
As a half-Jew

what do you think about Israel forign policy ?
z_darius  14 | 3960  
14 Nov 2007 /  #250
I encourage the other forum participants to do the search for some other names and get a first-hand lesson in the veracity of anti-Semitic scholarship.

I wouldn't spent time on that. So what if someone is a Jew, half-Jew or 73.6% Jew? Polish ant-isemites often gather around an organization started by a Jew - the Roman Catholic Church. Loosers will always find a scapegoat for their own impotence and failures.

The irony is that, Poland having been a destination of Jewish immigration for centuries prior to late 19th century, some of the anti-semites here are likely to have a few drops of Jewish blood in them anyway.

Polish kings invited and encouraged Jews to come to Poland, and then consistently upheld the laws giving Jews privileges (Statute of Kalisz). When you consider that, then suddently Polish kings Boleslaus the Pious, Casimir III (Kazimierz Wielki) and Sigismund I were all Jews conspiring against Poland. It then follows that Jadwiga (Casimir's daughter )was Jewish. Hence, the first Polish university (in Cracow) was founded by a Jewess. Oh wait, as Poles we pride ourselves with having one of the oldest universities in Europe. Is it ours, or is it Jewish though?

While abhorrnt, anti-whatever has a hilarious property - it comes back to bite its own as.s.
OBSERVER  
14 Nov 2007 /  #251
I would die laughing at the hilarity of it too had it not caused the real deaths of countless Polish and other Jews throughout the centuries. I agree that the central irony of Catholic anti-Semitism is the fact that Jesus and the apostles were Jewish. One theory states that the prevalence of anti-Semitism, besides the Church's brainwashing about Jesus-killers, can be explained by the subliminal displeasure of the very moral dimension and a set of ethical rules that underlies Christianity, which were brought into it by Judaism. In other words, the human animal nature is constantly chafing under the constrictions of the ethical rules and is trying to find someone to blame for the tension.
Lukasz  49 | 1746  
14 Nov 2007 /  #252
You dont even know how many stereotyypes you have in your head ...

and maybe again ... What do you think about apartheid policy in Israel ?

Do you think Jews are better humans than Palestinians ? Why do you think Jews hold them in ghettos ?

ghetto walls in Israel.

sss

Church's brainwashing about Jesus-killers,

where have you heard that ? in synagogue ?
OBSERVER  
14 Nov 2007 /  #253
Regardless of what I think of the Israeli-Palestinian question, I don't get into any kind of discussion with tendentious, prejudicial, and non-well-meaning individuals, especially when they use name-calling and subject-switching instead of arguments. You have to find another interlocutor to sling mud at.
Lukasz  49 | 1746  
14 Nov 2007 /  #254
firstly :

besides the Church's brainwashing about Jesus-killers,

and when I notoced some facts :

I don't get into any kind of discussion with tendentious, prejudicial, and non-well-meaning individuals, especially when they use name-calling and subject-switching instead of arguments

You know what is my opinion

I think that you use WWII all the time and preset yourselve as victim, but when I see what do you do in Palestina ... I care more about African nations or Palestinias than baout Israel. As to Jews we have in Poland Jewis society it is estimated about 14 000 religous Jews and 100 000 not religous Jews. There are some politicians who have jewish origin.

Some exaples Dorn form Law and Justice (he was minister in Kaczynski's gov)

one of interviews when he says about his origin (in Polish)

pardon.pl/artykul/1170/_/1

Ludwik Dorn decided to be baptized in Poland. And that's because his heart chosen one turned out to be deeply religious person. Long matured to its decision , and when it finally took , reported that only his closest - writes " Super Express " .

His godfather was Peter Piętak friend Dorn , Undersecretary of State in the Ministry of Interior .

The religious life of Dorna little is known . The newspaper writes.


one of leaders LiD Borowski who tolad in interview that he has jewish origin ... no body cares about that ....

But it shouws the reality in Poland

What I want to show ... when sb is trying to critizes Isreael (not all Jews) he is anti-semit what is nonsense.

As to jewish history ... all nations have some events in their history they would prefere to forget, Jews arent different, because they are the same humans.

Germans holded Jews in Ghettos and now Jews hold Palestinians in Ghettos ...all in all both of them are humans
BIGLARRY  
14 Nov 2007 /  #255
Lukasz,

Since OBSERVER won't reply to your post about Jews as Christ-killers (and I don't blame him), let me refer you to a website that will: signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20060514/news_lz1j14thering.html

By the way, instead of wasting time at this forum, get a trade of some kind, get a job, a girlfriend, and be a useful member of your community. Or, at least maybe get some basic historical information about the history of your Church.
Lukasz  49 | 1746  
14 Nov 2007 /  #256
By the way, instead of wasting time at this forum, get a trade of some kind, get a job, a girlfriend, and be a useful member of your community. Or, at least maybe get some basic historical information about the history of your Church.

WHAT IS HISTORY OF MY RELIGON ? personaly I m not to religous person ... ;) but what kind of propaganda is it, you tell my to dont waist my time ... so why OBSERVER waist his tme on writting anty-christian postes here

Żegota ([ʒ:gɔta] (help·info)) was the codename for the Council for Aid to Jews (Rada Pomocy Żydom), an underground organization in Nazi-occupied Poland from 1942 to 1945. It operated under the auspices of the Polish Government in Exile through the Delegatura, its presence in Warsaw.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zegota
BIGLARRY  
14 Nov 2007 /  #257
You must be a very fast reader. Plus, you didn't comment on anything in that article I cited, which proves without any doubt that the Catholic church was officially antisemitic for some 2,000 years of its existence and only stopped being so in 1965, with the Papal declaration 'Nostra Aetate'. If you want to tell me that not all Poles or Catholics were or are anti-Semites, you're preaching to the choir. After all, the person instrumental in overturning 2,000 years of official Jew-baiting was a Catholic nun, and may she rest in everlasting peace. All the Jews know about the few Catholics who were able to overcome their indoctrination in favor of their humanity, but you are a prime example of the majority of Catholics who don't acknowledge the full humanity of the Jews and the contributions they have made to the world far in excess to their numbers. Maybe envy is one of the guiding principles of anti-Semitism too.
miranda  
14 Nov 2007 /  #258
By the way, instead of wasting time at this forum, get a trade of some kind, get a job, a girlfriend, and be a useful member of your community. Or, at least maybe get some basic historical information about the history of your Church.

likewise
Lukasz  49 | 1746  
14 Nov 2007 /  #259
Poland was catholic country since X century and Jews from whole Europe were coming to Poland because it was safe place for them. And Poland is considered as very catholic country ...

And just before Germans invaded Poland in 1939 and started to kill Jews in concentration camps, the bigest European (second all over teh world) jewish society was in Poland. Why Poland ? There were so many more tolerant non catholic countries like UK or Germany (partly protestant) or Russia (ortodox) or Middle East ... Why Poland? one of the most catholic countries all over the world ? We were so rich ? Or Poland was such a peaceful place without wars ?

One of the most Catholic (antisemits) countries was the place where Jews by hundrets years were looking for safety ... oh yes ...
BIGLARRY  
14 Nov 2007 /  #260
Miranda,

If your imperfect English 'likewise' is supposed to mean that I should do the same - I do have a college degree, a great job in America, a wife, kids, and am a useful member of my community. I stumbled upon this forum while Googling something and decided to chat for a while. This is probably the one and only time that I'll be crossing paths with you and Lukasz, but something tells me that you and he will keep spending a lot of unproductive time trying to defend something that cannot be defended.
lesser  4 | 1311  
14 Nov 2007 /  #261
As to Jews we have in Poland Jewis society it is estimated about 14 000 religous Jews and 100 000 not religous Jews.

This could be explained in this way:

- most of religious Jews were murdered by Germans, almost all the rest escaped at that time aboard or left Poland during communist period when they have such opportunity

- the same about capitalist Jews

- Zionist Jews should belong to two above mentioned group

- Majority of those who still live here are former communists or more precisely apparatchicks of the former regime. Excellent example is Mr Borowski mentioned by Lukasz, also Adam Michnik or Bronislaw Geremek. (This group also must deal with Germans before)
Lukasz  49 | 1746  
14 Nov 2007 /  #262
BIGLARRY

it is noticable you are american ... but tell my your opinion, Why there was the bigest european jewish society i Poalnd ? (you can check figures). as to americans (it was posted on this forum) but special for you :
BIGLARRY  
14 Nov 2007 /  #263
Lukasz,

To be an effective debater, you have to stay on the subject and answer argument w/ argument and facts that relate to the topic. Otherwise, your evasion of the topic will give the impression that you don't have valid arguments for your position and that you concede the ground to the other debater. The topic is defined by the initial speaker, not by the responses to it.

Also, since no individual, nation, or religion is perfect, admitting to their faults is not going to destroy their credibility. On the contrary, it will show maturity, even-handedness and generosity of spirit on the part of the person who is capable of doing so.

That's all I have to say in my brief guesting at this forum. Gotta go. Have a great life.
Lukasz  49 | 1746  
14 Nov 2007 /  #264
typical american

Polish death camps

Great Israel

Arabs = terorosts

F*** them

Just how this sick americans falsed our history (again)

Polish death camp(s)" and "Polish concentration camp(s)" are misleading terms that have appeared in the media in reference to World War II German concentration camps located in German-occupied Poland involved in The Holocaust. Poland was occupied by the Nazis from 1939 to 1945. The Polish government had no administration or political influence over captured territories during this period.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_death_camp

You know they sold us for Soviets ... so they made form us German alies (it was easier to look into mirror for their sick society) ...

now all arabs are terrorists ... and propaganda works

unproductive time trying to defend something that cannot be defended.

what kind of horribke things I deffended here ?
witold  
14 Nov 2007 /  #265
Lukasz must be fuc*ked in in the brain - talks to himself. Not only that. He quotes wikipedia, where everybody can write something they want, true or untrue. Great job, Lukasz. You really make me proud of being Polish. And he talks about Arabs, soviets, germans - this was not the subject of this forum. The guy from America is nice to him and says Have a good life, but Lukasz talks behind his back and swears. I think this sorry person Lukasz cant find girlfriend so he spends all his time on computer and when somebody wins in forum over him he goes crazy and writes to himself
Lukasz  49 | 1746  
14 Nov 2007 /  #266
let me gues ... are you American with Polish origin ?
witold  
14 Nov 2007 /  #267
No I'm Peruvian with chinese origin. I was named after a shoeshine polish brand.
Grzegorz_  51 | 6138  
14 Nov 2007 /  #268
Catholic church was officially antisemitic for some 2,000 years

Yawn... First Christians were persecuted by Jews.
osiol  55 | 3921  
14 Nov 2007 /  #269
Has anyone mentioned that Moses never spoke Yiddish?
Crnogorac  3 | 111  
14 Nov 2007 /  #270
I agree with the thesis about Jewish influence on American society, in particular through activities of secret societies, so-called Illuminati Masonry. Majority of American presidents were Masons, and complete hegemony over the American administration and American society overall they began to realize during the time of Woodrow Wilson and the period of First World War, when the American people against their own will were drawn into one foreign war. Until then stood the Monroe doctrine of an America which belongs to Americans and which does not intervene in disputes of other nations. After all this was trampled on and we received today's America the most destructive force on the planet.

Its interesting to mention that during the time of president Roosevelt, circulated a one dollar note on which resides a pyramid with an all seeing eyeball, symbol of Illuminati, furthermore Illuminati symbols can be found on the big stamp of USA. In reality, many researchers these Masonic symbols discover in many American monuments which supplements the thesis that American society is utterly engrained by this dangerous ideology.

According to occultists/Satanic doctrine, the upper four points of the Goat head (left) represent the four elements of the world, Fire, Water, Earth, and Air. The bottom fifth point represents the spirit of Lucifer. In the above photocopy of the Goat head Pentagram, the fifth point extends down into the mind of the goat, who represents Lucifer. Notice the above pentagram of the Washington Streets layout in which the south part of the pentagram falls on the White House. Where the Spirit of Satan is to dwell.

The demon goddess Lilith is represented throughout history as an owl.

Notice the owl on the dollar bill.

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