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Jewish love towards Poles


ConstantineK 26 | 1,259  
4 Apr 2008 /  #211
Sure, no problem, in what would you like me to change? (We Jews can change ourselves into virtually anything, according to local believe).

Mmm! That's why Hitler ordered to draw the yellow star on the dress?
isthatu2 4 | 2,704  
4 Apr 2008 /  #212
Now thats a slur too far,Just because he is Dutch doesnt automaticaly make him a dress wearing transvestite.....as far as I know ....:)
Ozi Dan 26 | 569  
10 Apr 2008 /  #213
I saw a 'documentary' on the History channel last night.

It spoke of Jewish insurgent groups, predominantly in Eastern Poland and near Lithuania. It had first hand accounts from Jewish insurgents.

One group specilaised in blowing up trains. The old bag reminiscing on her feats told of how the spot they were going to blow the train housed many Jews in the nearby vicinity, so they chose a spot that housed Poles. Accordingly, many dozens of Poles were executed. She had a look of mirth on her face when saying this. Why didnt they just go to some isolated spot?

If this was just one example, I wonder how many more there are.
isthatu2 4 | 2,704  
10 Apr 2008 /  #214
Dan,just google Bielski Brothers...If your one of the looney Jewish types that think nothing a Jew can do is wrong or evil you'll love them,if you have a shred of humanity and a teeny sense of the downright cowardice and hate displayed by them you will think of them as scumbags.

Examples of the feets of these "brave jewish partisans" include such lovely humane burnings of Polish farm houses with all the women and kids locked inside them........and these stories are documented not in some inane holocaust deniers acounts but in the biographies of the "partizans" themselves...

Another example,if you were a "Soviet" citizen and managed to join one of the real partizan groups you were provided with whatever you needed if it could be spared/found...the bielskis boast about how the had a propar econamy in their woodland lairs,where if a man came in without shoes he could buy them. Yes,buy them,if he didnt have the money....tough doo doos.
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389  
10 Apr 2008 /  #215
BIELSKI BROTHER

I am going to have to do some more research on them...when I Googled their names,
the whole first page had articles basically saying how great they were...in fact, their Wikipedia entry said, and I quote, 'Some contradictory stories about the Bielski Brothers has become available, mostly from 'anti-semitic' and Polish sources'!
isthatu2 4 | 2,704  
10 Apr 2008 /  #216
'Some contradictory stories about the Bielski Brothers has become available, mostly from 'anti-semitic' and Polish sources'!

Thats funny,Ive only ever read books written by former membes and jewish fans of them,and I still found myself repulsed by them....
WAKEUPPOLAND2 - | 35  
10 Apr 2008 /  #217
While we are off-topic on repulsive jewish brothers....Do some research on the FLEXNER BROTHERS.

sntp.net/fda/piper_griffin.htm

They are are responsible for the modern day DRUG establishment.

* drug-oriented "medicine" gets all the financial support because it has the largest profit potential
* The low state of medical education in the U.S. prior to 1910
* the importance of the Flexner Report in dramatizing the need for reform
* the role played by the Rockefeller and Carnegie foundations in implementing the Flexner Report
* the use of foundation funding as a means of gaining control over American medical schools
They are are the reason why kids in some states in the US are being diagnosed as unsable/depressed....and being prescribed DRUGS.

PHARMACEUTICALS IS BIG BUSINESS, and it requires us to be drugged up from birth. It also requires disease to be widespread in Africa and Asia so that big DRUG companies can sell for billions to governments and at the same time use the people as guinea pigs for the west.

If you think I am going off one one....look up the dangers of vaccines. Some intentional and some unexpected.

organicconsumers.org/articles/article_5728.cfm
Mercury-Laced Vaccines & Autism in Children: The Drug Industry Attack on Mothers
isthatu2 4 | 2,704  
10 Apr 2008 /  #218
dont use my posts about a specific set of bandits to further your distastefull little crusade Polsche Erwache !
Although I do share your disgust with the pharmo'industry in general.
WAKEUPPOLAND2 - | 35  
10 Apr 2008 /  #219
dont use my posts about a specific set of bandits to further your distastefull little crusade Polsche Erwache !

Dont they teach you manners up north? Please would be nice...!!!

Go back to sleep....is there anything else worth discussing? The world we live in has been poisioned in every way...and people like you are SLEEPING.
Ozi Dan 26 | 569  
10 Apr 2008 /  #220
Dan,just google Bielski Brothers

I saw a similar program on these people several months ago - what a distasteful bunch of people they were too. Members of this band, including the Bielski's themselves, were interviewed. I recall the eldest brother was lauded by everyone in the group - he struck me as something of a foppish robber-prince.

The gist I got from their exploits was that of terrorising the local peasants into giving them food etc. With shoulders shrugged, they'd relate that if they werent given what they wanted, they'd simply kill, because they were purportedly hated anyway. The overall ambience, for those who are unfamilair with this period of history, would be that these guys were a heroic band fighting both the German and Polish oppressor.

The thing that really galls me about these shows is that they never mention some of the real Jewish heroes - those who fought and died alongside Poles amongst others. Why dont they make a show about those Jews in the AK (limited though they may be) and those numerous Polish Jews who fought in the '44 Uprising. Oh wait - that may promote reconciliation - certainly doesnt appear to be on these guys' agenda.
isthatu2 4 | 2,704  
10 Apr 2008 /  #221
The thing that really galls me about these shows is that they never mention some of the real Jewish heroes - those who fought and died alongside Poles amongst others. Why dont they make a show about those Jews in the AK (limited though they may be) and those numerous Polish Jews who fought in the '44 Uprising. Oh wait - that may promote reconciliation - certainly doesnt appear to be on these guys' agenda.

You have just summed up my thoughts on this perfectly Dan. I think one of the "problems" is that many jews did experience anti semitism among SOME of the ranks of the Home Army and most jewish partizans found themselves within less,shall we say,politicaly acceptable these days, partizan groups,ie communist.
Kilkline 1 | 689  
11 Apr 2008 /  #222
I've found some more Jewish brothers who have been up to no good. One of them even pretended to be deaf. They are a very cunning people and cannot be trusted..

geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/4337/mbbio.htm
miranda  
11 Apr 2008 /  #223
geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/4337/mbbio.htm

LOL
isthatu2 4 | 2,704  
11 Apr 2008 /  #224
lmao,and one of them was called Adolf! See the nazis MUST have all been jewish afterall.......;)
eric_the_nave - | 30  
12 Apr 2008 /  #225
I have not either read a book about the Bielski Brothers or watched a documentary so my knowledge of them is just gleaned from a few articles on the internet but here is my impression.

Firstly from the Bielski Brothers point of view.

They seemed more intent on their survival and the survival of the 1200 other Jews than they were in fighting in the Nazis. This is fair enough and at the end of the war they were fairly successful in this aim.

On at least one occasion they slaughtered an entire family for betraying a Jew. Ok we don’t know the circumstances behind the betrayal but the AK performed similar assassinations on Polish nationals that betrayed them (or for that matter betrayed Jews) without looking into the circumstances behind them and no one here would complain about that. It was harsh times and it called for harsh measures.

Now it is a matter of how they survived in the forest. Naturally they weren’t going to be able to survive by picking wild mushrooms. So in order to survive they inevitably had to get food from local farmers. And also they had to get weapons from somewhere. Inevitably that would mean getting in contact with Soviet partisans. Not the nicest bunch but the enemy of your enemy has to be your friend.

So if the local farmers would not give them food they would steal it. And if that meant killing a perfectly innocent farmer in order to do so, they would. Unpleasant yes but morals had to be compromised in order to survive.

It also appears that they got involved in more killing (Naliboki massacre) than was necessary to survive. If you’ve read the book or seen the documentary then you will probably know more about this.

From the Polish/Byelorussian point of view.

Firstly these guys had good reason to hate the Soviets having endured the occupation from 1939 to 1941. However it seems that whilst the numbers of Jews in hiding was small in number the local farmers still helped out when they could. However they had to meet Nazi quotas or face execution as well as attempt to feed their own families. Naturally they could not feed the Bielski (and other Soviet) partisans forever. And as the partisan raids got more aggressive they had to try to defend themselves (though pitch forks and the occasional rusty rifle were pretty pathetic defence against a bunch of well armed partisans)

From the AK point of view

Representing the Polish people naturally they had to help farmers who were being killed and robbed by Soviet and the Bielski partisans. So they decided to fight against the Soviet partisans.

Too many quite reasonable points of view to be fairly represented by a hollywood movie.

So from the movies point of view.

Bielski Brothers - great and noble.

Polish/Byelorussian farmers - badly dressed, evil anti-semites who wholeheartedly supported the Nazis and any who were killed did not suffer enough.

AK – evil anti-semitic organisation that declared war specifically against the Jews.

And if there are to be any shades of grey in the movie –then possibly the other Soviet partisans.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
12 Apr 2008 /  #226
So if the local farmers would not give them food they would steal it. And if that meant killing a perfectly innocent farmer in order to do so, they would. Unpleasant yes but morals had to be compromised in order to survive.

According to this logic a guy showing Gerries where Jews are hidden to get money to feed his family wasn't doing anything wrong. Bielski bros and their buddies were damn trashes and If Jews want to rewrite history so much that they want to make heroes even out of these creatures then It can't be tolerated anymore.
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389  
12 Apr 2008 /  #227
While we are off-topic on repulsive jewish brothers....Do some research on the FLEXNER BROTHERS.

Well, I know about all the machinatons of the Rockefellers, that great American family dedicated to the 'service of humanity'...but I had never focused on this Flexner...he was a piece of work!

And read about this character, Wolf Schmuness:

The working link for the Wolf Schmuness story is this:

cyber-north.com/ufo/weapon.html
Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
12 Apr 2008 /  #228
cyber-north.com/ufo/weapon.html

... no comment joe
isthatu2 4 | 2,704  
12 Apr 2008 /  #229
apart frm...The Truth is Out There...or I want to Believe.....or maybe...Its life Jim,but not as we know it :)
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
14 Feb 2009 /  #230
There does seem to be a lot of mutual respect between Poles and Jews.
1jola 14 | 1,879  
14 Feb 2009 /  #231
True.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
14 Feb 2009 /  #232
There does seem to be a lot of mutual respect between Poles and Jews.

Oh yes personally i respect them with a passion :)
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
14 Feb 2009 /  #233
That's good to hear :0
kimel.net/jewpol.html
cultural bias more than anti-Semitism, true. As I said, Poles don't think about Jews that much.
HatefulBunch397 - | 658  
15 Feb 2009 /  #234
I think there can be a great relationship between jews and poles and think this is outcome should be cultivated.
The truth about the Bielski Brothers is they wouldn't have acted the way they did had the Germans never invaded. The Poles wouldn't have if the Soviet Union hadn't invaded as well.

What can you do when you have no choice?

Well, I know about all the machinatons of the Rockefellers, that great American family dedicated to the 'service of humanity'...but I had never focused on this Flexner...he was a piece of work!

Joe, you are an American on this forum obsessed with jews in a way that is sort of strange.
1jola 14 | 1,879  
15 Feb 2009 /  #235
That's good to hear :0 cultural bias more than anti-Semitism, true. As I said, Poles don't think about Jews that much.

You visit websites like that one? Why? The guy is an idiot, don't you think?

"Some Polish underground organization like the NSZ, existed for the sole purpose of killing the Jews hiding in the forest."

"Generally, In Poland the rate of survival of the Jews was abysmal, about 1 percent only, compared to 75 % in France"

There is lots of other drivel, but it's not even worth my time.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
15 Feb 2009 /  #236
That's good to hear :0 cultural bias more than anti-Semitism, true. As I said, Poles don't think about Jews that much.

Neither, justified reservations about an ethnicity that is hostile to Poles is neither racism nor bias.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
15 Feb 2009 /  #237
Let me ask you this, where do you see this on a daily level in Poland? How does this 'hostility' manifest itself? I don't see it frankly.

Poland is not a country like America where the media plays a huge role. It's fine to have reservations tho, I agree there.
Rafal_1981  
23 Feb 2009 /  #238
Israel Singer, General Secretary of the World Jewish Congress stated that "More than three million Jews died in Poland and the Polish people are not going to be the heirs of the Polish Jews. We are never going to allow this. (...) They're gonna hear from us until Poland freezes over again. If Poland does not satisfy Jewish claims it will be "publicly attacked and humiliated" in the international forum.

zaprasza.net/a_y.php?mid=21357
celinski 31 | 1,258  
23 Feb 2009 /  #239
How sick is this. Like I have said in the past, Holocaust always claimed for 6 million Jewish, now that the truth is 3 million, where is the 1/2 that should have gone to Poland?

"Israel Singer, General Secretary of the World Jewish Congress stated that "More than three million Jews died in Poland and the Polish people are not going to be the heirs of the Polish Jews. We are never going to allow this. (...) They're gonna hear from us until Poland freezes over again. If Poland does not satisfy Jewish claims it will be "publicly attacked and humiliated" in the international forum."
lesser 4 | 1,311  
23 Feb 2009 /  #240
Israel Singer, General Secretary of the World Jewish Congress

If I recall correctly Singer later defrauded a lot of cash from WJC!

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