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Croats (Serbians) are Polish origin?


Babylon 16 | 192  
8 Dec 2006 /  #1
Croatians, Serbians came to the Balkans from areas of present Poland and they settled there. One of scientific theories assumes that Poles originated from Croatians (Serbians). Language of Croats and Serbians is very similar to Polish, much more then Czech or Slovak. so in my opinion Poles and Croats (Serbians) a long time ago were one tribe, that split into Croats and Serbians on the south, Poles (present-day Poland) and Sorbs (present day Germany, almost 100% germanized).

From wikipedia: The origin of the Croatian tribe before the great migration of the Slavs is uncertain. According to the most widely accepted[24], "Slavic" theory, in the 7th century, the Croatian tribe moved from the area north of the Carpathians and east of the river Vistula (referred to as White Croatia [present day Poland]) and migrated into the western Dinaric Alps.

I hope i was useful to know much more about our origin, to me it is the most possible theory due to almost the same language
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
8 Dec 2006 /  #2
All Slavs at some time were one tribe.
Templar  
8 Dec 2006 /  #3
I strongly disagree that Croatian and Serbian are more similar to Polish than Czech or Slovak. I would even say that of all Slavic languages Crt/Sbn is (are?) the most difficult for us, Poles, to understand. On the other hand, Czech or Slovac languages, what you claim are less similar to Polish than Croatian/Serbian, are the easiest. From my personal experience, I talked to Slovaks (or Czechs) in Polish, they answered in their own languages and we undestood each other very well. As it comes to my friend Croat, we communicate in English.

Out of 3 major branches of the Slaves, Croatians and Serbians formed so called "Southern" branch unlike Poles, Czechs or Slovaks who made up the "Western" branch.
YANTA  
8 Dec 2006 /  #4
From what I have read poles came from a mix of germans and russians. Is this true?
bolo 2 | 304  
8 Dec 2006 /  #5
Well, if you mean breed of dogs, it may be true. :)

But it fact, your theory is like saying that "Japanese came from Chinese and Mongolians."
Guest02  
8 Dec 2006 /  #6
I had an ancestry DNA test and my highest match was Poland, then Croatian, then Serbian. What a coincidence.
bolo 2 | 304  
8 Dec 2006 /  #7
I had an ancestry DNA test

How can they tell your nationality based on DNA test...?
Guest02  
8 Dec 2006 /  #8
Hi bolo. How are you doing, sexy? :) Sorry. I couldn't resist.

DNA is the same within certain ancestries.
YANTA  
8 Dec 2006 /  #9
The DNA test he is referring too is actually quite pricey to do.
Guest02  
8 Dec 2006 /  #10
She. I'm a woman.
YANTA  
8 Dec 2006 /  #11
przepraszam... :)
bolo 2 | 304  
8 Dec 2006 /  #12
Hi bolo. How are you doing, sexy? Sorry. I couldn't resist.

Good, thanks! I'm glad you (also) think I'm sexy :).
Guest02  
8 Dec 2006 /  #13
You're hot stuff. Mmmm.
bolo 2 | 304  
8 Dec 2006 /  #14
The DNA test he is referring too is actually quite pricey to do.

Well, so hitler was right then.. about human races at least :}
Crazy Horse - | 13  
8 Dec 2006 /  #15
The onlything hitler ever got right was how to hang wallpaper!
Guest02  
8 Dec 2006 /  #16
Well, so hitler was right then.. about human races at least :}

But no one is exactly like you, bolo. You're like no other. :)
YANTA  
8 Dec 2006 /  #17
Acutally he was quite inteligent. Got alote of things right. Don't buy into anti german WW2 propagada too much. Anyone who says the soviets were any better clearly has never lived through a soviet regimine
krysia 23 | 3,057  
8 Dec 2006 /  #18
But no one is exactly like you, bolo. You're like no other.

I've lost him......
Guest02  
8 Dec 2006 /  #19
Don't worry. No one can come between you and bolo. :)
krysia 23 | 3,057  
8 Dec 2006 /  #20
He's a cute little devil, isn't he?
But I'll share. I'm sure he'd like that!
Moralny 1 | 60  
9 Dec 2006 /  #21
From what I have read poles came from a mix of germans and russians. Is this true?

"Comparison of Y-chromosomes of Russian populations provides diwfferent results. Only the Pskov and coast-dweller populations are close along the paternal line to the Finno-Ugric and Baltic nations of the Northern and Eastern Europe, the overwhelming majority of Russians are relatives to the Poles, Ukrainians and Byelorussians. "

B. A. Malyarchuk
Differentiation and Genetic Position of Slavs among Eurasian Ethnic Groups as Inferred from Variation in Mitochondrial DNA:

"The results testified to a common origin of West, South, and East Slavs and revealed a central place of West Slavs among all Slavonic ethnic groups. Mixing was shown to play a substantial role in the formation of specific features of all three Slavonic gene pools."

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So I would say that Russians are from Poles. :)

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Ok. I have been reading about DNA recently and it's quite interesting (I noticed that americans are really crazy about finding their roots)

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I will use this thread to explain girls why 'East Europen men are truthful lovers' :)

About haplogroup R1a

Haplogroup is inherited from father by son (male line).
In human genetics, Haplogroup R1a1 (M17) is a Y-chromosome haplogroup, that is spread across Eurasia.

(source:

historycy.org/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=4618

Haplogroups today in Europe:
historycy.org/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=4582

About Aryan invasion
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_Invasion_Theory_(history_and_controversies)

About the Sanskrit language

The Sanskrit language is a classical language of India, a liturgical language of Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism, and one of the 22 official languages of India.

(source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit)

Sanskrit and Liuthuanian (source: postilla.mch.mii.lt/Kalba/baltai.en.htm)

Lithuanian is the most archaic language from Proto-Indo-European languages/Balto-Slavic language

Polish world 'budzic' means 'wake up'.

So I am going to heart.of the metter.

In Europe male population has mainly haplogroup R1b, I, R1a

Lets look above at maps from Ice Ages again:

What do You see?

West Europen people lived thousands years in small peninsule (Spain) I am sure that a live wasnt easy there. Simply It was a some kind of humen catalyst. The most inteligent and/or cunning and/or cruel men has the biggest chance to survive and to have a children/descendants. And today I think the procent of such kind of people is the biggest in West Europen countries and USA comparing to other regions, countries of the world. (My english ).

Have you ever heard about East Europen film like thriller 'the Silence of the Lambs'? I havnt. For me screenwriters of such kind of films are a little sick. You know 'dark side' and the differance between Hollywood and Bollywood productions is huuuge.

Hmm what about I was talking?

Och yea about lovers.

Kamasutram, generally known to the Western world as Kama Sutra, is an ancient Indian text on human sexual behavior, widely considered to be the standard work on love in Sanskrit literature.

Budda - R1a, Inventor of Kamasutra - R1a

So:
R1a = truthful lover
R1b = french/peninsula lover

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p.s.
:)

Dont take this seriously of course but this DNA tests are interesting. What about Hitler and Aryan-racist theory in that context, Slavic people etc.
YANTA  
9 Dec 2006 /  #22
Many of the soviets claimed they didn't want to fight the germans in the war , they had no choice. Certain laws of the third reich show some tolerance even with the jewish people. Alote of what you read and such is not all the truth after WW2 german was plauged with a curse and all kinds of things were promoted.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
9 Dec 2006 /  #23
And grandpa Adolf was a nice, friendly guy... People look you only make all others with national wievs look like idiots.
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510  
9 Dec 2006 /  #24
fair dinkums...perhaps not...

but they are used to illustrate a valid point, whether you like it or not...
Huegel 1 | 296  
9 Dec 2006 /  #25
Are you deliberately being obtuse bubba?

Acutally he (hitler) was quite inteligent. Got alote of things right.

and the big photos.... sorry, but i don't really want to read and view these topics as i find it offensive.
Wroclaw 44 | 5,386  
9 Dec 2006 /  #26
But also had a kind side.

Yeah ! Instead of death today, we'll put it off 'til tomorrow.

YANTA, you need to check the word 'Propaganda'
FISZ 24 | 2,116  
9 Dec 2006 /  #27
but they are used to illustrate a valid point, whether you like it or not...

That he may've been friendly for propaganda photos? The questione is...who really cares??

YANTA you're probably the person to believe they built a swimming pool for the prisoners in the concentration camp.
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510  
9 Dec 2006 /  #28
Are you deliberately being obtuse bubba?

no, pictures of hitler accepting flowers from young girls to provide contrast to those we normally see do not offend me to the extent that i have to shout for admin... as a brit, my people might not have suffered under his hands to the extent of poland but my family lost extensively during the war...so no, i dont think i am being obtuse...
Huegel 1 | 296  
9 Dec 2006 /  #29
as a brit, my people might not have suffered under his hands

i'm a brit too and I live in Hitler's home town. I only need to jump on a bus to Mauthausen concentration camp not 10 mins out of the city in order to witness what an intelligent man he was! I don't need to see staged pictures of him glad handing small children in a poor attempt to show him as some kind of man of the people.

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If admin wishes to allow people to post pictures of hitler then that's up to him/them, but the same behavior here in Austria would probably get you a visit from the police.

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In about 20-50 years when it may be possible for a computer script to determine who is on a picture a member is uploading, we will surely ban such pictures before they are uploaded. But today it's not possible to know that until the picture has actually been uploaded :)

Admin

Wroclaw 44 | 5,386  
9 Dec 2006 /  #30
Bubbawoo,

With respect to your family during the war years. You are being very naive when it comes to Poland. Generations of families were wiped off the face of the Earth at the whim of Hitler. But here it might have happened in a single day.

The photo of Hitler accepting flowers adds insut to injury.

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