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Polish qualifications, what are they worth ?


Honest George 1 | 105
24 Jan 2010 #1
It seems Poles tend to be proud of their education,
but what worth have their qualifications, when.............

There is not enough jobs for people educated in the same fields as one another.

Employment is bought with bribes.

When there is a closed-shop. ( employment given to family/friends, regardless of qualifications ).

The qualifications are not recognized abroad.
Nika 2 | 507
24 Jan 2010 #2
your statements are ridiculous Honet George, really.
Think before you say something.
frd 7 | 1,399
24 Jan 2010 #4
Employment is bought with bribes.

When there is a closed-shop. ( employment given to family/friends, regardless of qualifications ).

That's how it is everywhere. You're watching too much of "Expres Reporterów" or some other agony aunt style programmes.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
24 Jan 2010 #5
Employment is bought with bribes.

Where ?

The qualifications are not recognized abroad.

Which ?
bullfrog 6 | 603
24 Jan 2010 #6
Nika, I agree, HG, you should rename yourself PG (provocative George).

Polish qualifications are good/very good, and are starting to be recognozed outside of Poland. In the (multinational) company I work for, we go regularly on Polish campuses to hire Polish graduates not only for our Polish operations but also for London , Paris, New York...
Nika 2 | 507
24 Jan 2010 #7
Patriotic, enough said.

Of course I am, thank you for the compliment. It doesn't change the fact that what you've said it total rubbish my dear, little Georgie.
SzwedwPolsce 11 | 1,595
24 Jan 2010 #8
The qualifications are not recognized abroad.

All Polish university degrees are recognized by all EU-countries.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,721
24 Jan 2010 #9
There is not enough jobs for people educated in the same fields as one another.

Isn't this the same all over Europe?

Employment is bought with bribes.

Happens everywhere. Look at France - where jobs and housing are very often given on the basis of personal contact and indirect bribery. Or the UK, where what public school you went to (the old boys network) is often far more important than your qualifications.

When there is a closed-shop. ( employment given to family/friends, regardless of qualifications ).

What's wrong with that? Better the devil you know, and all that. Look at ESL teaching - isn't it better to hire a teacher that you know and can rely on than an unknown? Personal contacts are *everything* in employment.

The qualifications are not recognized abroad.

By who? The Bologna Process has done a lot to ensure mutual recognition - certainly, professional associations in the UK accept Polish qualifications!

Let's not forget that Poland demands qualifications for certain jobs in which unqualified people can do in the UK.

The only thing to bear in mind with Polish qualifications is that cheating is rife. And this is certainly to the shame of Poland - why on earth it hasn't been stamped out is entirely beyond me.
Nika 2 | 507
24 Jan 2010 #10
Polish qualifications are good/very good, and are starting to be recognozed outside of Poland. In the (multinational) company I work for, we go regularly on Polish campuses to hire Polish graduates not only for our Polish operations but also for London , Paris, New York...

Thanks bullfrog. I worked for a big multinational in Brussels and nobody there questioned my Polish qualifications. It's the same for my PL friends working in London. But apparently, Georgie knows better.
OP Honest George 1 | 105
24 Jan 2010 #11
That's how it is everywhere. You're watching too much of "Expres Reporterów" or some other agony aunt style programmes.

Bit of truth in everything.

Where ?

acquaintance of mine works in ZUS, had to pay ????PLN after successful interview.

Polish qualifications are good/very good, and are starting to be recognozed outside of Poland.

Thats why graduates in law etc. are menial cleaners elsewhere in the EU.

my dear, little Georgie.

ow, you hussy ! haha.

Better the devil you know,

Not really, when you employ incompetents.
Only if 100 % sure of individual.

But apparently, Georgie knows better.

In a majority of cases.........YES.
Nika 2 | 507
24 Jan 2010 #12
Georgie give us a break, please.

Thats why graduates in law etc. are menial cleaners elsewhere in the EU.

hahahahahahahahahahaha. It's a good one Georgie. You must have confused nationalities, but that's OK, nobody's perfect.
You really discredited yourself far beyond my expectations.
OP Honest George 1 | 105
24 Jan 2010 #13
You must have confused nationalities,

Its about the many Polish acquaintances I write.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,721
24 Jan 2010 #14
acquaintance of mine works in ZUS, had to pay ????PLN after successful interview.

If it was agreed beforehand, more fool him for agreeing to pay a bribe. If the demand was made afterwards, why didn't he inform the Central Anticorruption Bureau? And more importantly - who the hell would PAY to work for ZUS? It's hardly a pleasant place to work!

Thats why graduates in law etc. are menial cleaners elsewhere in the EU.

I don't think so. Graduates of useless things like psychology might be cleaners, but what use is a psychology degree if you're not 100% in the language?

Perhaps the people claiming to be law graduates while working as cleaners aren't actually law graduates whatsoever?
bullfrog 6 | 603
24 Jan 2010 #15
acquaintance of mine works in ZUS, had to pay ????PLN after successful interview.

Well, why doesn't he/she goes to the cops? I have been living 5 years in Poland, never had to dole out any greaser/bribe (and never was requested one).. Whereas in the 8 years I lived in London, I had (british) builders explicitely request cash payments...
Nika 2 | 507
24 Jan 2010 #16
Its about the many Polish acquaintances I write.

And I write about my Polish acquaintances & friends, who live and work abroad. And believe me, they are doing just fine with their Polish qualifications, working for multinationals, EU institutions, small and medium business. But thanks for your concern anyway, Georgie.
OP Honest George 1 | 105
24 Jan 2010 #17
why didn't he inform the Central Anticorruption Bureau?

I guess some people are afraid and are just happy to be employed.

And I write about my Polish acquaintances & friends,

I,m not talking about your three acquaintances and two friends. Besides, go and see for yourself how some of them live and if in fact what they are telling you is true.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,721
24 Jan 2010 #18
I guess some people are afraid and are just happy to be employed.

Sure, but the only way to eliminate corruption is for people to blow the whistle. Given that the head of ZUS in Szczecin was recently busted for it, there is clear political will to do something about corruption in Poland.
OP Honest George 1 | 105
24 Jan 2010 #19
delphiandomine

I could not agree more, and I often question why a lot of Polish people live and let live. I wish they would be more forceful, instead of letting the hierarchy walk all over them.
frd 7 | 1,399
24 Jan 2010 #20
Thats why graduates in law etc. are menial cleaners elsewhere in the EU.

It's a flawed argument, why? Because Graduates of polish law know only POLISH LAW. How on earth would you like to work abroad being a polish law graduate. There's a really meagre trickle of people after polish law going abroad and working in law sector. Law is different everywhere and you'd need to study law abroad to get to know it properly. People with an universal set of skills such us IT workers can pretty easily find work everywhere.
OP Honest George 1 | 105
24 Jan 2010 #21
Because Graduates of polish law know only POLISH LAW.

That was only an example, I should have picked another profession.
Otherwise your statement is good.

People with an universal set of skills such us IT workers can pretty easily find work everywhere.

Only if they are proficient in the chosen language.
time means 5 | 1,310
24 Jan 2010 #22
It's a flawed argument, why

Cleaners are more valued than the legalised robbers that are solicitors/lawyers.
Amathyst 19 | 2,702
24 Jan 2010 #23
Thats why graduates in law etc. are menial cleaners elsewhere in the EU.

Lack of confience with the lanauge? Competition with the indiginous population? Lack of experience (you did say Grads)

G, we have Polish doctors and engineers in the UK..so, yes Polish quals are recognised.
OP Honest George 1 | 105
24 Jan 2010 #24
we have Polish doctors and engineers in the UK..so, yes Polish quals are recognised

Who speak fluent English, and had to re-sit the appropriate English examinations. I concur.
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,444
24 Jan 2010 #25
if one has transferable skills, one is successful in finding a job and that is what it often boils down to, plus the language.
strzyga 2 | 993
24 Jan 2010 #26
Who speak fluent English, and had to re-sit the appropriate English examinations

I don't know about engineers, but doctors don't need to re-sit any exams, they just need to pass an appropriate English test. A dentist friend of mine is moving to the UK next month, she has a contract signed already. The only exam she had to pass was medical English test organized by some university. Her Polish qualifications were absolutely sufficient to register her with the NHS. Her general English is at decent communicative level. Still, it's a lot of paperwork.
OP Honest George 1 | 105
24 Jan 2010 #27
I also have a Polish friend practicing dentistry in Scotland for some time now, so yes, what your saying is correct.
Nika 2 | 507
24 Jan 2010 #28
I,m not talking about your three acquaintances and two friends.

neither am I. I am Polish myself and know a little bit more Polish people than 3 acquaintances and two friends.

Besides, go and see for yourself how some of them live and if in fact what they are telling you is true.

oh I have gone and seen for myself. I lived in Brussels for over 5 years and had enough time and occasions to go visit them in London, Rotterdam and Brussels. They do not work as cleaners, I am sorry to disappoint you. Some of them even run their own business. Imagine that Georgie - a Pole running his own business abroad, unheard of!
OP Honest George 1 | 105
24 Jan 2010 #29
a Pole running his own business abroad, unheard of!

Not at all, and good luck to them.

a little bit more

Okay, so all five are doing well.

By the way, I am not anti-Polish, quite the opposite.
Nika 2 | 507
24 Jan 2010 #30
By the way, I am not anti-Polish, quite the opposite.

maybe you are not, but for me your thread is one of the most false ones that I've ever seen asked on here. Sorry...


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