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Education in Poland - system and structure


jamesams1357 - | 35
3 Jan 2010 #31
whats there point of studying for years and getting a degree in poland when you can not get a job in poland waste off time and brain stress i never been to polish school
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
3 Jan 2010 #32
whats there point of studying for years and getting a degree

Yeah! what's the point in reading them there book things!
Burn your local library, all that brain stress is bad for you, I am sure!
:)

you can not get a job in poland

There are jobs here, 9.4% unemployed in the U.S, 11% in Poland.

i never been to polish school

It shows.
Raj_ryder 10 | 106
4 Jan 2010 #33
have the americans taken responsibilty for the number of people they have slaughtered over the last 60 years or so and continue to slaughter today???
ChrisPoland 2 | 123
4 Jan 2010 #34
I have lived in Poland for quite some time and I can assure you that the opinion of Karolina that Poles are better educated than the British or Americans is quite a common opinion here. I have encountered countless times the opinion that Americans are uneducated excluding those who attend the best internationally known universities.

I am American, educated in America so I do not want to agree with that opinion but I sat next to a classmate at university who asked me where Mexico was on the map and another classmate who spelled "education", "ejucation". In addition, I was a teacher in the US and had to teach my high school students the CONTINENTS and BODIES OF WATER!!! I also had a student who couldn't read and I had to fail him. His failure was overruled by my supervisor. I think a lot of kids fall through the cracks in America and many people are under-educated for whatever reasons.

I have noticed that students in Poland have a lot more material to learn by heart than in the US. Has anyone else noticed that?

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convex 20 | 3,978
4 Jan 2010 #35
His failure was overruled by my supervisor.

It's the "everyone's a winner" attitude. It's picking up over here too.
Gaa
4 Jan 2010 #36
Has anyone else noticed that?

i've never lived in the US. in every country you will meet people who are exceptionally dumb and exceptionally smart. the bigger country the more dumb people but also more geniuses.

however, i have cousins who've spent most of their lives in USA, they are studying at University of Chicago so you'd expect them to be smart.they know a lot about the topic they are studying but i have noticed they lack the basic knowledge of the world,politics, they also think that USA is the best at everything..it is at many things indeed but for sure not at everything,their ignorance sometimes irritates me.

on the other hand , in Poland we learn too much theory and not always we can turn theory into practice.Americans are more practical ...
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
4 Jan 2010 #37
I also had a student who couldn't read and I had to fail him. His failure was overruled by my supervisor.

Wait, wait - this exists in the USA too?!

I always thought this practice of allowing superiors to overrule teachers on grades was a particularly Polish problem!

I have noticed that students in Poland have a lot more material to learn by heart than in the US. Has anyone else noticed that?

Oh yes. The Polish system is very very classical - vast amounts of hard theory and very little practical knowledge. I suspect that part of the problem is due to the massive underinvestment in primary and secondary education combined with teaching being seen as a career for those unable to do anything else - as a result, talented people just won't go near teaching as a career.

The Polish educational system leaves a hell of a lot to be desired - and I suspect a large part of the problem is communist thinking combined with "how it was in the 2nd Republic" which just creates a huge mess. They did improve things by abolishing the 8+4 system, but the way that they're pushing everyone into high school is causing endless problems, too.
Magdalena 3 | 1,837
4 Jan 2010 #38
They did improve things by abolishing the 8+4 system,

And what was wrong with that system, pray tell?
Lenka 3 | 2,697
4 Jan 2010 #39
The 8+4 system was very good.Psychologist proved that moving children from one school to another in the age of 13 is a bad idea.I'm the child of that educational project and believe me-it was stupid idea to change our system like that and in such hurry.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
4 Jan 2010 #40
And what was wrong with that system, pray tell?

The big one - what kind of sensible establishment has 7 year olds in the same school as 14 year olds? There is so much difference between the two ages that it just doesn't seem sensible at all. I know many Polish people are sentimental about the 8+4 system, but 11 is almost universally seen as the break point between schools in the world.

The 3+3 system isn't ideal either though.
Lenka 3 | 2,697
4 Jan 2010 #41
I was in 8 years school system(before it was changed) and with sensible organization it works all right.As a 7 years old I never had any problem with older kids.
Magdalena 3 | 1,837
4 Jan 2010 #42
what kind of sensible establishment has 7 year olds in the same school as 14 year olds?

I see absolutely nothing wrong with it. Kids of all ages learned to get along and cooperate. There used to be no stronger ties of friendship than those from primary school.

Actually, I thought your opinion was based on something more substantial.
Lodz_The_Boat 32 | 1,535
9 Dec 2010 #43
Merged thread:
Education and Environment for Polish Children

So what do you think of it?

What are you suggestions for the children in Poland? ... Their future and their today?

Are you satisfied with our education system? What about the kids of foreigners in Poland, are they finding it ok?

What about the immigrants in Poland ... what are their perspectives? ... What about integration and learning how to deal with foreigners being a part of the curriculum because it seems that in future we might meet an inflow.

What about out environment, atmosphere ... both intrinsic and extrinsic? Are we doing good? ... what are your suggestions ppl?

Its the most important asset for Poland.
Wroclaw 44 | 5,384
9 Dec 2010 #44
Are you satisfied with our education system?

put it this way. two of mine are educated in germany.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
9 Dec 2010 #45
It's very good in some areas and not so good in others. Why say more? The most practical thing would be to establish bridges between said education and jobs. The unemployment rate in Poland wouldn't make for good reading if many Poles came back. That has to be borne in mind.
zetigrek
9 Dec 2010 #46
I thing that only people who are Poles or have children in Poland can say something truthful in this thread.

I'm not satisfied. I don't like when people in Poland are so boastful of their education and points finger on others (American, Brits) that have lower educational standars... which is utterly bullsh1t. People stop living under an illusion. It's dramatic! And it's become dramatic since they made that stupid reform with gimnazjums and Nowa Matura.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
9 Dec 2010 #47
Well, you SEE how education manifests itself, Zeti. Therefore, you can comment. You can tell educated people from uneducated ones quite far away.

Plus, are you really saying that stats are null&void in this case?
zetigrek
9 Dec 2010 #48
Plus, are you really saying that stats are null&void in this case?

yes.

As I said some time ago that a 18 y.o. (my classmate, few years ago) couldn't tell what's the capital city of Madrit. And it was quite renowned high school.

Many 17 y.o. couldn't properly count % from a number. The change of units from m2 to cm3 etc is also a great problem.

It is not that many don't learn at all. It's that many forget too quickly what they have learnt. Kids (and even college students) in Poland don't know how to learn/work sistematically (to be honest I also have problem with that)
Seanus 15 | 19,706
9 Dec 2010 #49
Where is Madrit? I don't know the capital of a place I don't know. Madrid maybe? It has no capital but is the capital of Spain. I'm beginning to see now, Zeti ;) ;)

So what's the merit of the korepetycja system here? Another waste of time? The moment young people stop giggling like buffoons when they endlessly utter k****, Poland can move forward. Until then, the perspicacious among us can see through the hopelessly defensive pride in youngsters here.
pgtx 30 | 3,156
9 Dec 2010 #50
what's the capital city of Madrit

what's the capital of Madrit? :)
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007
9 Dec 2010 #51
Are you a callan teacher now who cant spell? :P
Seanus 15 | 19,706
9 Dec 2010 #52
That was my first impression too, Davie, until I saw that she had quoted :)

Education in Poland? Not used effectively :)
pgtx 30 | 3,156
10 Dec 2010 #53
until I saw

good job, redhead... ;)
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
10 Dec 2010 #54
So what do you think of it?

It needs deep reform, from the pre-school right through to the post-doctoral level and even beyond. The whole thing needs to be torn down and started again with a brand new start - and absolutely everything must be considered for change.

The worst thing is that Poles want to learn, they have a positive attitude towards the value of education - but the system fails them. badly.
zetigrek
10 Dec 2010 #55
Where is Madrit? I don't know the capital of a place I don't know. Madrid maybe?

pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madryt

I don't need to know English spelling of every capital city of Europe. And ues of course I meant capital city of Spain.

Are you a callan teacher now who cant spell? :P

Oh, laugh, laugh. In Polish we spell it with "t".

good job, redhead... ;)

not good "polish girl tx". Scots don't need to know that we spell it with t not d, but you should. My mistake was fairly justified.

So what's the merit of the korepetycja system here?

No, but not everyone takes korepetycje.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
10 Dec 2010 #56
Everyone takes it, hmm.
zetigrek
10 Dec 2010 #57
I took only once but it wasted time.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
10 Dec 2010 #58
It's only according to the vision of the teacher but so much I've learned in the past is basically useless and redundant. It's, yet again, people giving themselves work without really explaining the significance of what is being taught.
zetigrek
10 Dec 2010 #59
Actually they explain it. It's all to teach you some learning skills and values. Why do you think little kids are said to learn some poems or nursery-songs?
Seanus 15 | 19,706
10 Dec 2010 #60
That value gets lost by many somewhere along the line. How is that experience helping you in your present life, Zeti?


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