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Poles and American Poles. What do you think about those two groups and their interactions.


George8600 10 | 636
22 Feb 2011 #31
An American Pole

He looks like a Semitic Jew, not Polish....
plk123 8 | 4,149
22 Feb 2011 #32
You are right, there are three groups actually - Poles in America, Poles in Poland and Polish Americans!

lol.. besides having issues with both polish and english you seem to have problems with the simplest math too.. lmao. good one.
Eurola 4 | 1,909
22 Feb 2011 #33
Poles and American Poles. What do you think about those two groups and their interactions?

'Polish' Poles don't like the American Poles and vice versa, that's a fact. Why? Beats me. Jealous maybe? But why? We left because we wanted a better life, you stayed because you did not have the opportunity, or love Poland for better or worse. Those who left might be better off financially but miss Poland; those who stayed might struggle more but live close to the family. It's about choices. And yes, our political views changed abroad too. We got to see the other side of politics. In my case, I left them behind.

Amazing that a Russian who's writing on a Polish forum has opinions on racism in America. Russia, the country whose citizens throughout many centuries have murdered more people on earth than any other nation ever even "dreamed" of, wow.

Yeah, David_18 is a perfect example of one side media brainwash.
plk123 8 | 4,149
22 Feb 2011 #34
'Polish' Poles don't like the American Poles and vice versa, that's a fact. Why? Beats me. Jealous maybe?

just like it has been demonstrated on this forum over and over again.
f stop 25 | 2,513
22 Feb 2011 #35
I don't think there is any animosity between Polish people in Poland and those abroad. For many years Polonia supported their families in Poland, many still do. Many are coming back (unfortunately, those I know of, changed their minds after a year or so and returned to the US), and we all are proud how well Poland is doing.

This forum is not a representation of those relationships at all. Here, if we don't like somebody's opinion, we fish for something personal we can blame it on.
Eurola 4 | 1,909
22 Feb 2011 #36
I don't think there is any animosity between Polish people in Poland and those abroad.

Do you know the political agenda of Chicago Polonia? It has not much to do with with Poland. It's a society of mutual admiration which does very little. All they know how to do - is to spoil elections in Poland. They try to save Poland but most of them barely speak polish (PNC comes to mind).The radio or the papers misrepresent the life in Poland and feed polonians with their version of the truth.

You right, there is no animosity between family members who left and who stayed.
plk123 8 | 4,149
22 Feb 2011 #37
You right, there is no animosity between family members who left and who stayed.

you are joking, right? hmm. Of course there are some both ways on this.

All they know how to do - is to spoil elections in Poland.

when has Polonia EVER spoiled and election in PL?
f stop 25 | 2,513
22 Feb 2011 #38
Do you know the political agenda of Chicago Polonia

I don't give a **** about political agenda of Chicago Polonia, and I care just as much about the agenda of beret brigade in Poland. Polish people are not divided by where whey live, but who they are: close-minded scared little people on one end of the spectrum, and fearless adventurers on the other. Whether you actually get an opportunity to travel has very little to do with it. How you deal with the changing world, and how you approach the unknown, does.
skysoulmate 14 | 1,296
22 Feb 2011 #39
'Polish' Poles don't like the American Poles and vice versa, that's a fact. Why? Beats me. Jealous maybe?

I disagree. I think Native Polonians ;) don't care and are mostly curious about what's going on here. Rather there's a great deal of distrust between the American Poles and the British Poles. The Rest-of-Europe Poles usually side with the Brittish Poles but not always.

This forum should really be renamed to Anti_American_British_Forum_About_Poland_and_Occasionally_The_Jews.who _gives_a_crap.com
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
22 Feb 2011 #40
'Polish' Poles don't like the American Poles and vice versa, that's a fact.

I have my doubts that their political views changed - given that many of the American Polacks are descended from poor Eastern peasants, it would seem unlikely that their political alliances have changed very much.

And yes, they don't like American Polacks. It's nothing to do with jealousy (after all, real Poles are able to work anywhere in the EU and earn just as much money, if not more) - but everything to do with the way that the Polacks are trying to ram what is "Polishness" down their throats. Can you blame them, when the Polonia media openly spreads nonsense about the Government, the President and so on?

I don't think it's even dislike, just mild irritation that they bang on about being Polish, yet can't speak Polish and don't do anything to help Poland.

when has Polonia EVER spoiled and election in PL?

Plenty of them certainly whined when Komorowski got elected. Keep the **** out of Polish elections unless you live here, is my motto. (and yes, I don't vote in UK elections).

Rather there's a great deal of distrust between the American Poles and the British Poles. The Rest-of-Europe Poles usually side with the Brittish Poles but not always.

British Poles don't care about the American Polacks - they integrated exceptionally well into society and really couldn't care less. The ones who are economic migrants - well, they're Polish, not British in any way.

For what it's worth, no-one here seems to consider the American Polacks as being Polish.
skysoulmate 14 | 1,296
22 Feb 2011 #41
For what it's worth, no-one here seems to consider the American Polacks as being Polish.

First of all, if you want to participate in a debate then show respect. You know very well that the term American Polack is derogatory, it's called American Pole in English or Polak in Polish. There's nothing in-between. If you don't knock it off I'll start calling you a Russian ****** wannabe or whatever name I can find that's derogatory.

...Today, in the English-speaking world, the word "Polack" is sometimes considered an ethnic slur:
Slang: Disparaging and Offensive (Random House Unabridged Dictionary)
Offensive Slang Used as a disparaging term for a person of Polish birth or descent (The American Heritage Dictionary)...


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polack

Second of all, your views on Polish Americans are as ridiculous as it gets. You know nothing about us except a bunch of nonsense you've read on various websites. Frankly you're way to biased and too close-minded to even be engaged in a discussion on that subject.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
22 Feb 2011 #42
Frankly you're way to biased and too close-minded to even be engaged in a discussion on that subject.

Of course I'm biased - when you read the average Polonia newspaper (consisting almost totally of stolen material from dodgy right wing Polish newspapers) , you'd be biased against them too!

Polack is perfectly acceptable though - I hesitate to associate "Polish" with them.
f stop 25 | 2,513
22 Feb 2011 #43
no-one here seems to consider the American Polacks as being Polish.

And who is that?
puella 4 | 172
22 Feb 2011 #44
edit.
deleted because I'm not sure is it worth to involved in this pointless and stupid discussion... My suggestion to skysoulmate and other peeople of American Polonia who feel hurt by comments of delphie is just to ignore him.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
22 Feb 2011 #45
And who is that?

The vast majority of educated people that I meet.

There's definitely some interesting correlation between "Polacks vs Polish" in the eyes of real Poles and their political allegiances.
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,441
22 Feb 2011 #46
the truth is that at the moment every country has diaspora, which contributes to the well being of such country to a larger or lesser degree speaking in general terms. It is what it is.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
22 Feb 2011 #47
That's an interesting comment and worthy of comment.

I think Jonni brought it up a while ago - the British diaspora (not the expats, but real diaspora) behave very much like the Polish ones from America - very much longing for a time that's long gone, with precious little understanding of what's actually happening these days in the home country.
Teffle 22 | 1,321
22 Feb 2011 #48
'Polish' Poles don't like the American Poles

In fairness I can understand this to an extent. I'm not condoning it wholesale but I can imagine a bit of friction sometimes. Irish Americans often rub Irish people up the wrong way with half arsed perceptions, ill informed opinions and fake misty eyed devotion to "the auld country".

Michael Flatley springs instantly to mind - although maybe a bad example as I assume he is widely despised anyway among those with any sense ; )
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
22 Feb 2011 #49
In fairness I can understand this to an extent. I'm not condoning it wholesale but I can imagine a bit of friction sometimes. Irish Americans often rub Irish people up the wrong way with half arsed perceptions, ill informed opinions and fake misty eyed devotion to "the auld country".

Probably there's a lot of similarities between Irish and Polish Americans in terms of how they perceive the "homeland". The two countries, after all, share a lot in common - independence was gained and secured in the early 20's, vast amounts of poor people left, the elite during occupation were the ones who became the elite in the new country, etc etc.

I know someone who is passionately involved with the peace process who got really, really, really hacked off with one American who visited and who showed absolutely no understanding of how delicate it really was. The same person also didn't understand that the Republic didn't particularly want Northern Ireland either.
f stop 25 | 2,513
22 Feb 2011 #50
The vast majority of educated people that I meet.

I was wondering why vast majority of people here get so annoyed by you. Up to now, most of your arguments were at least readable. Now you've lost me.

If having been born and raised in Poland, of Polish parents, carrying Polish passport and still speaking with the Polish accent does not make me Polish, then you and the questionable "vast majority of educated people" you've met are just looking for something to argue about. I'll leave you to it.
puella 4 | 172
22 Feb 2011 #51
There's definitely some interesting correlation between "Polacks vs Polish" in the eyes of real Poles and their political allegiances.

What about this man?

Tadeusz Kościuszko

I'm the real Pole and I say you talk nonsense. What is more you don't have any rights to talk on behalf of Poles. Not every American Pole is a far-right bigot. You've hurt feelings of many people by writing such stuff, have you ever thought about it? What kind of man you are to deny anyone a right to identify with a nation of one's ancestors???
jonni 16 | 2,485
22 Feb 2011 #52
What about this man?

Not exactly modern Poland, is he?
OP Ironside 51 | 11,510
22 Feb 2011 #53
Have you actually been to the US

David was born here if I understood him correctly.

'Polish' Poles don't like the American Poles and vice versa, that's a fact.

Who do you have in mind? Poles in Poland or Poles in America?I think that you exaggerate greatly!
I wouldn't say that Poles don't like Poles in America, they just don't understand each other!

his forum should really be renamed to Anti_American

What are you talking about? You must have been reading only that part of PF which is dedicated to America.

the British Poles.

What British Poles ?

What kind of man you are to deny anyone a right to identify with a nation of one's ancestors???

Hard to say, you claims to be a Scot, maybe some grandchild of Polish Division in Scotland.?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
22 Feb 2011 #54
If having been born and raised in Poland, of Polish parents, carrying Polish passport and still speaking with the Polish accent does not make me Polish, then you and the questionable "vast majority of educated people" you've met are just looking for something to argue about. I'll leave you to it.

But who said it didn't? The Polacks (being the ones who don't have Polish passports, don't have citizenship, don't have any idea what's going on, etc) are the ones who aren't Polish. People like you? You're Polish, not American, irrespective of what any piece of paper says.

Not every American Pole is a far-right bigot. You've hurt feelings of many people by writing such stuff, have you ever thought about it? What kind of man you are to deny anyone a right to identify with a nation of one's ancestors???

Sadly, many of them are. You just need to read the nonsense posted on here by a few of them to see that - they freely throw racist insults around, they talk about how they're "100% Polish" despite not knowing the history - heck, I have a keen interest in Polish history and yet I don't know half of it.

What the whole point is that they often don't know who their ancestors are - and are often completely refusing to admit that they could be anything other than Polish.
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
22 Feb 2011 #55
Sadly, many of them are. You just need to read the nonsense posted on here by a few of them to see that

Assuming "many" from a "few" is an example of fallacious inductive reasoning. That being said the racism of some Polish-American posters on this forum is very disappointing.
puella 4 | 172
22 Feb 2011 #56
You just need to read the nonsense posted on here by a few of them to see that

Well I've read and I don't like it as well. But note that skysoulmate, plk123 and many users who seems to be open-minded kind of persons here feel offended by your posts.

What the whole point is that they often don't know who their ancestors are - and are often completely refusing to admit that they could be anything other than Polish.

Once I've made a mistake and I excluded from discussion people of Polish ancestry by asking about Poles living in Poland. And I felt ashamed when some user told me that he was attending Polish sunday schools and was trying to do everything to cultuvate his gradparents' traditions and maintain national identity. Who I am to exclude anybody from being a part of Polish society or telling anyone that he is not a full value Pole?

I don't like people like those all Pol-Am PF users who make extreme statements on racial/cultural issues and who think that Poland is a last preserve for such ideologies. But note that when you are trying to needle them, you offend or make upset many other people by the way...
ender 5 | 398
22 Feb 2011 #57
Assuming "many" from a "few" is an example of fallacious inductive reasoning.

I wouldn't bother of delphiandomine he is more example of 'falluscious' then 'fallacious'.
And as I see any Polish is good reason for delphiandomine to be called Pollack.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
22 Feb 2011 #58
Well I've read and I don't like it as well. But note that skysoulmate, plk123 and many users who seems to be open-minded kind of persons here feel offended by your posts.

PLK is an ass who deserves to be offended for his vile insults towards other people - though sadly, he's no Polack. Skysoulmate on the other hand - well, he gets upset with my use of Polack and I get upset with his use of Communist and we're equal ;)

I think that part of the problem is simply ignorance - if they're told all sorts of nonsense by their family (for instance : grandmother insisting that Busha/Busia is the right word) and their peers, what hope have they got?

The most sensible Polish American I know came here, lived here, got the dowód osobisty - and refused to vote in the Presidential election. His own political views agreed with Kaczynski, yet he refused to get involved because - as he said - you guys have to live with the President for 5 years - I don't. And that - I had a massive amount of respect for him for considering himself to be an American with the right of Polish citizenship.

Same guy really did throw himself into Poland - and to his credit, never once compared Poland to America apart from as a joke. That - I can respect.

I've never understood why the sane Polish people in America tolerate the nonsense from others, though.
ender 5 | 398
22 Feb 2011 #59
delphiandomine
Some people will not become Polish ever they will always be who they are parasite and nomad delphian is best example.
jonni 16 | 2,485
22 Feb 2011 #60
parasite and nomad

Not that there's any shortage of either of those among the Polish community...


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