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31 year old Polish man causes accident under influence of alcohol and kills 8


delphiandomine 83 | 17,730
27 Aug 2017 #1
Another day, another story.

This time, it concerns a drunken Polish driver Ryszard M, who was driving a truck that crashed into an innocent family on the M1 motorway in England.

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4827164/M1-minibus-driver-taking-family-Eurostar.html

Polish lorry driver Ryszard Masierak, 31, from Worcestershire, has been charged with eight counts of causing death by dangerous driving, four counts of causing serious injury by dangerous driving and eight counts of causing death by careless driving

The family were on their way for a dream holiday to Disneyland, and that dream is now dead and crushed at the hands of the Polish drunkard.

One can only hope that the British government seeks the maximum possible punishment for him. He should certainly spend a lengthy time in prison for this crime, not least because he's destroyed an entire family.
jon357 63 | 14,146
27 Aug 2017 #2
The original reports didn't give any details about his identity or nationality. Whether Polish, British, Mexican or Martian, what sort of person would get in to a huge truck after drinking alcohol and drive it down a motorway?

If he's found guilty, he'll be looking at a very long spell in gaol.
Crow 137 | 7,718
27 Aug 2017 #3
If guilty, brat Ryszard should be lobotomized and sent back to Poland.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,413
27 Aug 2017 #4
Another day, another story.

I did wonder how long it would take before you posted this story sad as it is.
OP delphiandomine 83 | 17,730
27 Aug 2017 #5
what sort of person would get in to a huge truck after drinking alcohol and drive it down a motorway?

Certainly the type that should face the death sentence, according to Patryk Jaki anyway.

Either way, after Brexit, one can only hope that Polish-registered drivers and trucks will be obliged to have alkomat-type devices installed to prevent this kind of thing happening again.
jon357 63 | 14,146
27 Aug 2017 #6
The newspapers say it is the worst loss of life on a British road for nearly 25 years.
mafketis 21 | 7,390
27 Aug 2017 #7
One can only hope that the British government seeks the maximum possible punishment for him

three whole weeks? He should spend many years in prison, as should the scum you've yet to denounce that brutalized a Polish couple in Italy.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,413
27 Aug 2017 #8
worst loss of life on a British road for nearly 25 years.

Terrible but sadly the norm n Poland, maybe the driver shuld be sent back to Poland where his sentance would be increased and his prison time would not be as comfotable.
OP delphiandomine 83 | 17,730
27 Aug 2017 #9
Unfortunately, he might also be released.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,671
27 Aug 2017 #10
I saw this story this morning. was not surprised when I saw the perp's name, to be honest, not in the least.
Sorry but what is it about Polish drivers? they even laugh about them in Czechia. This is so not a laughing matter though.
Another thing..do u think that maybe when people come to a new country, on some level they almost think that the laws of the land do not apply to them? NOt talking about Polish in Britain now, but as a general immigrant attitude? Like my ex brother in law used to drive around with no insurance, or the other one was always starting on black men when he was drunk? or the way that a certain kind of Brit can behave abroad?
TicTacToe
27 Aug 2017 #11
Immigrant with freedom of movement kills 8 immigrants who didn't.
jon357 63 | 14,146
27 Aug 2017 #12
Sorry but what is it about Polish drivers?

There's a horrifically high annual number of deaths on the road in Poland.

when people come to a new country

I don't know if it's that. The sheer reckless stupidity of getting in and driving an articulated lorry on a motorway when drunk transcends any other factors.

Unfortunately, he might also be released.

That possibility would have to be communicated to the Home Office before any transfer was allowed, and they would have to agree to that or deny the request. A good prosecution lawyer would communicate that to the relatives of the victims before they make their victim impact statement - this could affect sentencing.

If gaoled, he would probably find the Polish prison system far more unpleasant than the English one.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,671
27 Aug 2017 #13
Immigrant with freedom of movement kills 8 immigrants who didn't.

kind of irrelevent who had 'freedom of movement' though isnt it? none of them are moving anywhere.
peterweg 36 | 2,316
27 Aug 2017 #14
Either way, after Brexit, one can only hope that Polish-registered drivers and trucks will be obliged to have alkomat-type devices installed to prevent this kind of thing happening again.

He was driving a UK registered Fedex truck. Potential lawsuit incoming,..

The family were on their way for a dream holiday to Disneyland,

They were several Wipro employees, non family members. So I'm not sure the they were going on holiday.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,671
27 Aug 2017 #15
So I'm not sure the they were going on holiday.

it was a minibus full, comprising a family going on holiday on the Eurostar, and several people going to work, as you said.
jon357 63 | 14,146
27 Aug 2017 #16
He was driving a UK registered Fedex truck

Was that not the other truck driven by the guy from Stoke? Ryszard Masierak was as far as I know driving an AIM Logistics truck based at their Worcester depot.

They were several Wipro employees, non family members. So I'm not sure the they were going on holiday.

They were families going on holiday. Three worked at Capital One in Nottingham as IT contractors supplied by Wipro."Relative Soyimon Joseph said the minibus was taking a group of 11 people made up of two or three ­families to Wembley coach station in North West London.From there, the 11 passengers were due to go on a coach journey around Europe, according to friends. The group had been picked up in the Hyson Green area of Nottingham at 2am." mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lorry-drivers-charged-eight-counts-11063983
jon357 63 | 14,146
27 Aug 2017 #17
He was driving a UK registered Fedex truck. Potential lawsuit incoming,..

It was AIM Logistics.

"Ryszard Masierak, 31, of Barnards Close, Evesham, Worcestershire ...He was driving a lorry from Evesham company Aim Logistics Ltd."

I should think there'll certainly be a lawsuit (an automatic win if he was drinking and there is proof of this - there's no real defence if a driver has been drinking) against Masierak and AIM logistics, as well as a lawsuit againt Fedex and its driver Wagstaff (if he is found guilty).
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,671
27 Aug 2017 #18
it was a minibus full, comprising a family going on holiday on the Eurostar, and several people going to work, as you said.

ok correction it was a group of family and friends who were going on holiday together. Some of them had jobs in the UK, and some of them were just visiting.
jon357 63 | 14,146
27 Aug 2017 #19
family and friends

Just such a dreadful tragedy. It will be very hard for the few survivors of the crash, and also awful for the lorry drivers and their families because of the guilt.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,413
27 Aug 2017 #20
Yes people need to think before they drink and drive, sadly Poland is back in the sixties when it comes to booze and driving, they are blind to the harm they do to others and their own families. Education is the answer but how long is it going to take before it sinks in.
brexit *yay*
28 Aug 2017 #21
Poland and the polish do not belong in western civilization, nor even the EU.
They still have the take, take, take, thief mentality
Arrogant ass holes who should be sent back to their home !
England does not want nor need these minimum wage, unskilled dross.
Bring in a points system and get the dregs of poland out of our country.
Many polish will be drunk at the wheel after a weekend of drinking.
jon357 63 | 14,146
28 Aug 2017 #22
do not belong in ...civilization

Nor does anyone, regardless of origin, citizenship or identity who gets into an articulated lorry and drives it while drunk. His nationality is only relevant because it's the topic of the forum here. I doubt his victims were bothered where he came from.
mafketis 21 | 7,390
28 Aug 2017 #23
The sheer reckless stupidity of getting in and driving an articulated lorry on a motorway when drunk

It's almost as if opening the entire job market to people from very different cultures was not the brightest idea ever. In addition to the infrastructural differences (left vs right) the driving culture in different countries tends to be very diffeent. An excellent reason to limit professional driving jobs to those who've lived in the country for a time who demonstrate a deep understanding of the relevant laws.

You are on fire with arguments for restrictions on movement today, jon! What has gotten into you?
Marsupial - | 888
28 Aug 2017 #24
Who cares just another car accident, people die from them every day.
Roger5 1 | 1,458
28 Aug 2017 #25
people die from them every day.

as jon said

The newspapers say it is the worst loss of life on a British road for nearly 25 years.

The pictures are horrific. The minibus was almost flattened. Drink driving among truckers is a problem that needs to be aggressively addressed.
jon357 63 | 14,146
28 Aug 2017 #26
Drink driving among truckers is a problem that needs to be aggressively addressed.

A breathalyser in every cab, linked to the ignition.

arguments for restrictions on movement today

None at all. Very few (if any) Brits in PL involved in fatal drink/drive accidents.

Who cares

Classy. Not.
Marsupial - | 888
28 Aug 2017 #27
Well there was heaps of death world wide yesterday and evey day from cars. Just another few there. Drink and drug driving is also bad here. Shrugs shoulders.
jon357 63 | 14,146
28 Aug 2017 #28
heaps of death world wide yesterday and evey day from cars

Did you read this:

The newspapers say it is the worst loss of life on a British road for nearly 25 years.

Marsupial - | 888
28 Aug 2017 #29
The newspapers in uk are fake news.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,671
28 Aug 2017 #30
obviously it's not 'fake news' - dont be silly.


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