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Poles 'failing to integrate in the UK'?


poland_
11 Aug 2012  #1
The failure of young migrants to integrate with the community has been blamed for the closure of a Polish club in Northamptonshire.

Young Poles are in the UK, only to earn money and are therefore not interested in integrating into the local community, the same is happening in Poland as many expats and immigrants stick to their own communities and fail to integrate into Polish society.

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-16830802

Is it necessary to learn the language of your adopted country if you are there for the next few years, just to work and earn money?
isthatu2 4 | 2,708
11 Aug 2012  #2
Sorry, utter tosh. Why would young people come here and then spend their evenings in an old persons drinking club.
These veterens clubs have been steadily shutting down for years now as they come to the end of their natural life much as their core members have.

ps, Mods, why did you move this, its clearly about Polish sociaty and culture as much as it is about UK.......
tip for ya, read the post before changing what thread it goes in........
NorthMancPolak 4 | 648
11 Aug 2012  #3
What do you expect? Polish clubs in the UK are stuck in the 1950s - I'm in my 40s, but I feel too young to go in one. I grew up on raves, not the Polish equivalent of working-mens clubs.
Wroclaw Boy
11 Aug 2012  #4
Is it necessary to learn the language of your adopted country if you are there for the next few years, just to work and earn money?

No I dont think so, especially seeing as many Poles consider the average Brit to hold prejudice based on the numbers that came. Its easy to manipulate anything when it suits and many Poles all tell the same stories. 1. Its the UK govs fault. 2. Churchill sold us to the Soviets. 3. we need their labour because Brits are lazy. So its our fault

Theyre not blind as to whats happening and the first to admit how pissed they'd be if all of a sudden a few hundred thousand Ukrainian immigrants came to Poland, as i said its easy to believe certain stories when it suits ones agenda especially when its as serious as lively hood.
OP poland_
11 Aug 2012  #5
ps, Mods, why did you move this, its clearly about Polish sociaty and culture as much as it is about UK.......

Especially as the article touches on subject of the language evolving over the last 60 years, much of Polonia who left PL in the 50,60,70,80's are in a time warp, when faced with the new wave of Polish diaspora hungry for money and uninterested in nostalgia.

Why would young people come here and then spend their evenings in an old persons drinking club.

The one thing that springs to mind is firstly the beer may be cheap and it could also be a good place to network.

Churchill sold us to the Soviets

That old chestnut.

Don't forget we would all be eating turkish kebabs... if it was not for the brave ' Hussars '
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007
11 Aug 2012  #6
Don't forget we would all be eating turkish kebabs... if it was not for the brave ' Hussars '

The Poles might have been eating kebabs, I doubt the Brits would have been forced to. We eat the stuff when drunk :D

I must admit that I have a few social nights with the local Poles, but I'm the only Scot to be invited or even be talked to at work. Thing is integrating goes both ways. My Polish co-workers were happy to chat away when they found out I lived in Poland for so long. Before that they would either not talk or be too scared to loosen up as I was their boss. lol
grubas 12 | 1,391
11 Aug 2012  #7
Especially as the article touches on subject of the language evolving over the last 60 years, much of Polonia who left PL in the 50,60,70,80's are in a time warp, when faced with the new wave of Polish diaspora hungry for money and uninterested in nostalgia.

This is true.Same in the US.These people have nothing to do with today's Poland and completly don't understand young immigrants/expats from Poland.I mean,seriously 78 y/o dude who left Poland in say 1946 or whatever is to me as exotic as lets say Eskimo.Some of them are from what used to be Poland but since 1945 is ukraine or Belarus and have memories of Poland I never even knew.There is very little I can talk about with these people.
Vincent 9 | 809 Moderator
11 Aug 2012  #8
Before dishing out your usual threats, make sure you've quoted the right person.

There you go edited it! Incidentally it wouldn't hurt if you also had a look at the descriptions before starting threads.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
11 Aug 2012  #9
Thing is integrating goes both ways.

Since the crises do locals resent immigrants more?
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007
12 Aug 2012  #10
A few do. But when you question them they soon back down. Usually it's my friends cant find jobs because the foreigners work for less and have taken them all. Then I normally point out the Poles at work and they agree that they do brilliant. Though I'm in a specialised field, our Polish carers do a great job. Also a lot of my staff are also in the same boat so actually understand where the Poles are coming from e.g moving for work.

It's summer so we have taken on a few Polish students for these months knowing they will be leaving soon. We can't offer short term work to most of the locals as they are not prepared to do it. And the ones who do generally want longer term positions that we can't cover. Our full-time positions are all taken, but they get resentful towards the end of their contracts and start kicking up crap if we can't offer them full time placements.
hudsonhicks 21 | 346
12 Aug 2012  #11
They don't need to integrate.

They have their Polish friends at work
They have their Polish TV at home
They have their Polski Sklep to shop in

Translator available for important things like Benefit claims and NHS treatment.

If you take a look at their Polish language UK Community websites, it is practically rife with requests for the Polish GP
Gynecologist, Optician, Salon, Lawyers, Mechanics, etc etc.

They even have Polish driving instructors here.

They're trying to create little Poland here in the UK. Quite perverse.
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007
12 Aug 2012  #12
Oh Hudson, why wont you just take your flamming to other places. If anyone is accused of not integrating it will be the Brits abroad.

Mind to wipe the sh1t of the soap before you use it for ur ass.
isthatu2 4 | 2,708
12 Aug 2012  #13
Here's a little tip for you mate, before sticking your chest out and acting like you know better, read the short description under the title of each forum to see what it is about..

Ah, Vincent demonstrating his people skills again..... try, I posted my reply while it was still in society and culture,it moved to this section for,well,what reason?

An answer or sarcasm,its your choice ,demonstrate maturity or pettiness,over to you.

Especially as the article touches on subject of the language evolving over the last 60 years, much of Polonia who left PL in the 50,60,70,80's are in a time warp, when faced with the new wave of Polish diaspora hungry for money and uninterested in nostalgia.

Yes,but I doubt you will get an answer,or even a polite response from Vincent .

Incidentally it wouldn't hurt if you also had a look at the descriptions before starting threads.

Just cant help yourself can you.....if it makes you feel the big man though,lashing out at people when you have been a plum, who are we to take that away from you.....

But hey, it was only the OP and two or three other people asking why the thread was moved...
Like I said,anyone actually reading the content of the thread and link provided would look beyond the few simple words in the title......
hudsonhicks 21 | 346
12 Aug 2012  #14
They wont even drink our beer.

Britain makes some of the finest proper ales known to man.
We have beer from all over the world in our supermarkets,

Yet they still insist on drinking that mediocre lech or Tyskie because it's Polish.
I won't knock it. It tastes liek Stella Artoi

Polska Stong!!
Vincent 9 | 809 Moderator
12 Aug 2012  #15
An answer or sarcasm,its your choice ,demonstrate maturity or pettiness,over to you.

The answer is simple, it's news from the Uk, about Poles in the UK, from a news site in the UK.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,671
12 Aug 2012  #16
Britain makes some of the finest proper ales known to man.

well I don't know, last time I had a few pints of IPA I spent the evening vomiting.
give me a good cold Tyskie or similar any day.
hudsonhicks 21 | 346
12 Aug 2012  #17
rozumiemnic

well I don't know, last time I had a few pints of IPA I spent the evening vomiting.
give me a good cold Tyskie or similar any day.

Doesn't have to be an IPA or anything particular fancy.
Why don't you check out the bottles in your local Asda or Tescos. Newcastle Brown is quite famous

Or if you don't like that style, get some Leffe Blonde, or some German weissbier.

Just because you're Polish doesn't mean you need to drink a Polish brand al the time in a foreign country.

Are you even Polish btw? There's alot of wannabes here.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,671
12 Aug 2012  #18
IPA isn't fancy FYI.
no I am not Polish, nor do I 'wannabee' thanks.
I stopped drinking Newky Brown around the time I graduated.
tbh Polish beer is better than German....
p3undone 8 | 1,135
12 Aug 2012  #19
I always thought the Germans were noted for having the best ales and beers,though I'm sure everywhere has some good ones.I wonder how the Poles like English beers and ales?
hudsonhicks 21 | 346
12 Aug 2012  #20
There's a million Poles living in the UK, yet we struggle to find any of them speaking on an "Polish - UK" English language forum.

This speaks a thousand words in itself.

You'll find them all here - mojawyspa.co.uk/forum Discussing Benefits, Where the local Polski Sklep is, and moaning how terrible our NHS, Food, Beer, Weather is.
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007
12 Aug 2012  #21
I always thought the Germans were noted for having the best ales and beers.

No the Czechs and Poles. IMO
English real ale is good, but as a standard beer you cant get better than the Polish stuff. In Scotland our mainstream beer is Tennents, its ******* awful only those homeless dossers would drink it. Same with Bells whisky, that in Poland goes for about 25-30 pln a glass....... god awful crap!
p3undone 8 | 1,135
12 Aug 2012  #22
dtaylor5632,how about English vodkas,can Poles find any good ones?
Magdalena 3 | 1,837
12 Aug 2012  #23
Where the local Polski Sklep is, and moaning how terrible our NHS, Food, Beer, Weather is.

So a lot like expats on Polish Forums then?
hudsonhicks 21 | 346
12 Aug 2012  #24
Polish beer is the best?

Nice to see the uber polska strong contingent is out in force :D

Poland isn't even listed in the Beer counties league. hah
p3undone 8 | 1,135
12 Aug 2012  #25
Hudsonhicks,what is Polski Sklep?
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007
12 Aug 2012  #26
dtaylor5632,how about English vodkas,can Poles find any good ones?

Most common vodka is Glens, made in Ayrshire Scotland, its good if u want to get drunk, but for taste not so.
OP poland_
12 Aug 2012  #27
I must admit that I have a few social nights with the local Poles, but I'm the only Scot to be invited or even be talked to at work. Thing is integrating goes both ways. My Polish co-workers were happy to chat away when they found out I lived in Poland for so long. Before that they would either not talk or be too scared to loosen up as I was their boss. lol

Have you been to the Sikorski Club in Glasgow?

We have beer from all over the world in our supermarkets,

Any of the following available in your supermarket ratebeer.com/country/poland/163/
jon357 63 | 14,122
12 Aug 2012  #28
The failure of young migrants to integrate with the community has been blamed for the closure of a Polish club in Northamptonshire.

Working mens' clubs are closing by the dozen, Polish or not. And the generation coming to the UK are products of the post-communist 'free for all' - suspicious of community involvement unless there's something tangible in it for them. Normal in Poland.
4 eigner 2 | 831
12 Aug 2012  #29
Poles 'failing to integrate in the UK'

OK guys, no need to argue about it, we all know that you (Poles) tend to build your own, little communities, no matter where you live and basically don't like to mingle much with the locals (just look at Chicago).
boletus 30 | 1,366
12 Aug 2012  #30
No kidding; how observant! Chicago, ancestry (2007 survey):
African American: 37% => (1,054,469)
Spanish or Latino: 23% => (741,330)
Irish: (201,836)
German: (200,392)
Polish: (179,868)
Italian: (96,599)
English: (60,307)
...
Total: (2,851,268)


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