Do Poles and EU Citizens exploit the British welfare state

Well, apparently it isn't the Poles that cameron is moaning about, it is the British.

It's funny how he goes on about families being dependent on wlefare culture. That was one of the flagstones of the Divine Margaret's Empire.

You’ve asked Poland to join the EU and then opened your borders, and then created generous welfare system and then hiss, b1tch and whine and about it, that makes perfect sense to everyone observing this from a distance.

Well if they have 30 million+ for a big Royal wedding, I dont really dont feel sorry for the British
They throw 400 million a year at that old Queen,,for nothing???
All that money could be used for social programs instead of paying for rich people and their Yachts,,,go for it!!!!!!


Hey Puzzler, How come the Chinese are building the Roads in Poland??
Is that kind of work beneath you, or is it just work that you so desperately try to avoid?

if they worked till then and paid taxes then why the hell shouldn't they take advantage of it? what about teenage moms who never worked a day in their stinking chavvy lives, living off the state and popping a new kid out every year, going on holidays and having a place to live and everything they will ever need provided by the taxpayers? oh but i forgot that's ok cos they're British, even though they never contributed and never will contribute to anything. some people should really look from a different perspective before they point their finger. supposed to have this massive benefits system overhaul yonks ago, still waiting. in the meantime, lets make the cost of living even higher so we can carry on supporting all these lowlives.

spot on Justysias..:)

I don't know guys. A citizen is called a citizen for a reason. I bet if that happened in Poland you'd be peed off too. I'm not saying that a Pole (or whoever) who's working and paying taxes in UK shouldn't have any rights there but to say that a foreigner should have more rights than a citizen (for no matter what reason) is wrong in my eyes.

Like I said before, if you bothered to read it. If a person works for a year and then lose their job they are entitled to 6 months of unemployment benefits just like in America, then after that you are re- evaluated.

If you dont have a job or refuse to look for one just so you can have a free ride is totally wrong, and they should get the boot or perform community service if they want to leach off the system.

Ive heard of Poles that cant get into the US go to England instead so they can get on the public welfare system.

Why did you leave Poland if its soooo great over there,,, no job, no money, was it worth leaving your family for a few little welfare bennys?

That's the whole problem, illegal immigrants undercut the wage scale. It affects the Middle Class and most importantly the poor, who compete for the same jobs.


Another problem, breaking the law. Mexico has virtually the same Constitution as the United States, but in Mexico no one believes it. They don't believe in civil law. That's why they are Third World.

Legal ones do just the same dont you think? Why pay 20 when some geezer from a 2nd/3rd world country will do the job for 5?

yes but they also have to prove they are actively searching for employment and go for interviews to keep getting those lousy what, £60 a week? now if you have kids or a disability (obesity is the new disability) it goes into more interesting figures and you have to prove nothing, this is where i think the problem is. a lot of times people make stuff up and you get an article in a paper almost everyday about people cheating the state out of thousands of £££ because they were lying and nobody checked on their story. even if they get caught, they have no means to pay it back so they get a few hours of community service and off they go, free to scheme some more.

yes, the immigrants legal or not, and lets not forget gypsies, are a strain on just about every service there is but those services need an overhaul themselves, such as perhaps less bureaucrats and 'admin' and more staff to cure people and catch criminals on the streets. and for gods sake, the standards of education, they are breeding a generation of morons. people have less and less incentive to educate themselves and have a career, after all why bother if you can be a single parent (that's when it pays most, forget about a full family with mum and dad in one house) with a bunch of kids and do nothing for a living, or figure out what disability you may want to fake, and still be better off than those of us who have jobs.


i don't think that this is how it works, definitely not why people leave Poland, it's for work not for the welfare. it's just a "bonus" and still not everyone knows how to figure out the paperwork, plus with constant errors with their computer systems, people find themeselves in a situation where they have to pay back a couple of thousand back to the state because they've been paid too much in child or housing benefit. happened to 2 Polish people i know anyway.

now people with Polish flags all over their house and backyard and cyfra+ satellite dishes stuck to their roofs, that's kinda laughable...

Legal or illegal immigration is just a drop in the bucket. The official policies of exporting jobs is the main problem. And companies that do export jobs out of the US get all kinds of government grants and subsidies, and I'm not even talking about banks here. Between 1999 and 2005 the US lost 1.9 million well paying jobs. They were replaced with 2.5 million jobs created overseas by US companies. Middle class is not destroyed by immigrants. It is destroyed by the upper class.

The poor, well, how can you destroy them? They're already a wreck but they can have a very good use - to be pitted against middle class so the two can have a nice argument going on, while the upper class continues screwing both.

absolute bollox J'. Anyone claiming disabilty benefits has to go through disgusting loops to prove their conditions.
My Grandma(bless her soul) had her first stroke and heartattack in the early 1960s after working as a head in a deaf school,in the late 90s she was asked to attend an assesment,after canceling the first apointment due to her being in hospital after another stroke the authorities sent a threatining letter demanding she attended the next apointment "or else". When she turned up at the offices she was told the interview room was on the third floor of a building with no lifts. Grandma was in a wheelchair,she could walk a few paces at a time but that was it. When it was pointed out that she couldnt possibly climb 3 flights of stairs she was told in no uncertain terms that if she failed to attend she would loose her disabilty benefit.

Now,are you still going to say being on disabled benifits is an easy life with no questions asked?

really? i know of people sat on their asses in a council flat playing playstation all day because they are 'autistic'. if you have to go through exams and embarassing questions then why the hell do so many people manage to lie their way through it?? i think that in case of your relative, they feel like they have to pick someone as an 'example' to show just how difficult it is to get money off the state but there are serious loopholes in the system and millions of people take advantage of it everyday.

I obviously don't know your laws but I thought that what she said kinda didn't sound right. To get that kind of money is never easy (at least here it isn't).

Rubbish J. Youve obviously been reading the Daily Mail too much :)
Dont get me wrong,there are loopholes in the system,but the main problem lies in just what gets lumped in as a "Disability", for instance, got a problem with Booze,sign off disabled. Ok,fair enough if they offered treatment but no,the system does tend to just hand out the cash without any plans to help people off disability.

As someone mentioned earlier,it all goes back to maggie T in the 80s. When she deliberatly chose as policy to do nothing regarding job creation in the industrial communities her fascist lite government had destroyed economicaly as putting people on benifits was short term a cheeper option,hence some areas where you can have 2 or 3 generations on benifits. It didnt help that just as the jobs market was beggining to expand in these areas that a million Poles suddenly turned up willing to work for less than half the wages that had previously been paid.

They do that here in Chicago as well, especially when there is a Polish holiday or when the Pope, Katyn etc
A lot of them hang flags on their cars and drive around blowing their horns all night, same with Mexicans, I dread cinco de mayo!


People have been caught here using their neighbors children as their own to cash in on extra money, the scams are endless!


I agree absolutely, If a person has worked and needs it thats fine in my book, but the scammers who keep making babies just to stay on welfare that has to stop. You cant have people on welfare their entire lives.

In Florida USA, they made the welfare recipients do community service for benefits, and after the first year the stats found a decrease of people in the program.

Maybe they figured out, if I have to work then Ill get a real paying job?


Its super easy here, they give it to them like candy!
I was in a Mexican supermarket and while I was in line, I noticed that I was the only one with cash in hand,,,wtf!!

The more babies the more money they get,,,,,It has to stop!

you mean, no paperwork, no prove whatsoever? I mean, I've never been in this situation and I don't know anyone who is but I thought it takes more than just apply for it and get it right away.

OK, my bad then.

It's not a government job to create jobs. If they do - it's always a disaster. And she was right to close those coal mines; they were bleeding money and they needed to be closed.


So you have bunch of bureaucrats, not thinking/feeling people in offices. How is that an immigrants fault?

Actually, some of them were profitable and yet closed as part of a political agenda.

What agenda was that?

It might be different because the law may vary from state to state, but in Chicago Ive been told that the state employees have been known to coach and aid the Illegals to get their benefits.

How many Illegal Mexicans have proper I.D.,,,,, none!

They just bring in their babies along with maybe their cousins babies as well to get as much as possible.

2 buildings away from me is this 2 bedroom apartment and there are 2 Mexican families that reside there, so Im guessing at last count Id say theres 8- 9 people living in the one unit. Every first of the month (food stamp time) I watch them pull up with a van filled to the roof with groceries, mostly junk food, twinkies, ho-ho`s etc.... Theyre probably getting $1000 a month just for food.

There are 3 women that must weigh 300lbs each, her daughter probably around 20 years old is pushing maximum density as well.
The children are all over weight, but they are living the American Dream now!
The 2 Husbands cant speak any English and they dont have jobs either, all they do is drive up and down our alleys looking for scrap metal all day.

Thatcher was hellbent on privatising everything and destroying the unions - it was somewhat of a personal obsession with her. You can see her single minded, stubborn approach with things such as British Airways and the sell off of many nationalised companies - however, because of the militant attitude of the NUM (national union of miners) and especially their leader - it turned into a personal mission to destroy them once and for all.

I don't recall what provoked her into closing even profitable mines - but there was definitely one incident where she "lost" to the Unions, only to come back stronger and more determined to defeat them.

Nowadays of course, it's far cheaper to import subsidised Polish coal than it is to mine the stuff in the UK.

Doncaster (heart of South Yorkshire coalfields) surrounding pit towns devestated by maggies war on the NUM, profitable mines closed in the 80s under the lie of no coal left are now being touted as being our next great hope for homegrown energy............30 years too fcukin late for entire communities...........I mention this because while at Doncaster collage we visited our twin Town in Poland,one of the tutors a former miner, we both saw the irony of being twinned with Gliwice..............................

Not totally true Poles like Mexicans who come to the States work hard. Maybe where you live some are like that but here I haven't met a single one on welfare.

Good for her; unions are evil. It's a myth that unions are for the workers, unions are for unions, just as corporations are for corporations and politicians are for politicians. They are into the extortion from the government business, which is an art they have been practicing for decades now. They will do anything to protect their racket, even if they will have to destroy the very people they pretend to protect.

It's true what you are saying about unions but thanks to them more crumbs fell off the tables of te rich for the poor to enjoy.

This reminds me of one of the usual spats a couple of years ago on this form. I think it was isthatu who wrote something along the lines that life wasn't as peachy for all in the UK when compared to Polish reality at about the same time. I remember some news on Polish TV from the 80's about miners' strikes in the UK but, as usual, we brushed those off as communist propaganda. Then I saw a movie "Billy Elliot" and the reality shown look very shittty. I don't use movies as history materials so I started looking into it in more serious source and yes, it looked like those Brits didn't have it all that easy. In fact, I was shocked. I lived much better than that in a commie country.

Similarly, here in Canada, some realities of the past transpire through daily chats with m co-workers. Once the fellas were saying how fast tey would go downstairs soon after being awaken by their parents. As it turned out, their bedrooms were unheated to save money. I am aware that many Poles experienced similar situations in municipally heated apartments but that wasn't my personal experience. We opened windos in winter because the place too damn hot.

I heard stories, here in Canada, about people giving up their children to strangers because they couldn't afford food for them. Those kids are now in their 40's and 50's. An eye opener.

But, Bzibzi, worry not abut the unions. They are being dismantled and hardly any survive. In the US ony 10% of the workforce has soe kind of union to stand behind them. Canada is a little better but the neighbors won't allow that to continue forever. Just watch cerafully, there will be even fewer bread crumbs falling off the tables for you and me. Well, I work for the government so I'll be fine. Hope you're doing OK too.

(my keyboard skips characters, to lazy to fix all the typos, I'll get a new laptop tomorrow)

Not all unions are evil - there are some out there that genuinely do a good job without getting involved in politics, but they're sadly in the minority. When you see the salaries of some unionmen, you really do have to wonder if they're more interested in their own pockets than worker rights.

But yes, with the mining industry, both the NUM and Thatcher combined to destroy the business. If they had sat down from the very beginning and negotiated the closure of unprofitable mines as well as the selling of profitable mines, they'd still be here today. But as they were ideological enemies of Thatcher, they got drawn into a battle that they just couldn't win.

Do employers bend the rules and exploit cheap labourers? Did politicians go along with that? Do these twinkies blame the very same people *they* invited?

;)

Well it makes sense, the fickle lazy and stupid don't generally vote conservative, they tend to vote Labour, BNP and sometimes Libdem, in short for parties who tell them that the reason why they are ugly, stupid, fat, and unlucky is because it is always somebody else's fault.

So Labour naturally want be the the one to tell them that the party is over, otherwise they would loose their support....

this is what I figured from various distant sources too - and I wasn't even vaguely researching the topic