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Do Poles and EU Citizens exploit the British welfare state


sledz 23 | 2,250
19 Apr 2011  #1
Polish workers losing their UK jobs in the economic downturn are choosing not to return home but to stay and take advantage of the generous benefits system.

Immigrants from eastern Europe who have worked in Britain for 12 months or more can claim the full range of UK state benefits, including child and housing benefit and jobseekers' allowance.

Its sounds exactly like our problem with the Illegal Mexicans, but they sneak in!

Im glad for US visa restrictions and all in favor of deportation, maybe a little jail sentence first would detour some of these criminals that enter Illegally or dont return when they promise.

England is being stretched almost to the point of economic collapse, joining the EU is going to be their downfall.
Marynka11 4 | 675
19 Apr 2011  #2
Immigrants from eastern Europe who have worked in Britain for 12 months or more can claim the full range of UK state benefits, including child and housing benefit and jobseekers' allowance.

Its sounds exactly like our problem with the Illegal Mexicans

Exactly the same indeed. Think of all the benefits the Mexicans are getting in the USA. Not only housing and child benefits, but also ice cream money from the American government!
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,681
19 Apr 2011  #3
Think of all the benefits the Mexicans are getting in the USA.

well let's think about this.....what about the cheap labor they provide?

Exactly the same indeed

well hardly.....perhaps you mean .."vaguely similar"
Marynka11 4 | 675
19 Apr 2011  #4
well hardly.....perhaps you mean .."vaguely similar"

Sarcasm.... that's what I was going for in my post.

And I would say, not similar at all. Polish aren't illegal in Britain, and Mexicans aren't in the US for the government benefits.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,681
19 Apr 2011  #5
Polish aren't illegal in Britain, and Mexicans aren't in the US for the government benefits.

gotcha marynka...sorry I was being slow....my comments should have been aimed at the OP..;)
Stu 12 | 522
19 Apr 2011  #6
Unfortunately not only in the UK but in the Netherlands too. That's why the government wants to change the rules and only give benefits to those who speak the Dutch language. And if you don't have a job after three months, you are required to leave the country. Fair enough, I think.
OP sledz 23 | 2,250
19 Apr 2011  #7
Think of all the benefits the Mexicans are getting in the USA. Not only housing and child benefits, but also ice cream money from the American government!

Its like they get rewarded for breaking the law, If I were to get caught working in Mexico Illegally they would put me in a prison.

well let's think about this.....what about the cheap labor they provide?

There are many migrant workers that come here to work and return home.

Im not against Immigration as long they do it legally and pay taxes like the rest of us.

I dont know how the UK will accommodate the influx of people on welfare, because theyre all citizens,,yes?

Were broke over here as well and have to stop giving out free handouts to Illegals, thats for certain!
Marynka11 4 | 675
19 Apr 2011  #8
Were broke over here as well and have to stop giving out free handouts to Illegals, thats for certain!

It's illegal to work without permit and to hire illegals. Americans are criminals as well in the whole process. There is an easy way out of this: increase control, give extremely high fines to those who hire illegals and the problem will be solved faster.
guesswho 4 | 1,289
19 Apr 2011  #9
Unfortunately not only in the UK but in the Netherlands too. That's why the government wants to change the rules and only give benefits to those who speak the Dutch language. And if you don't have a job after three months, you are required to leave the country. Fair enough, I think.

This is how it should be allover the world, no matter Poles or whoever. Each country should be responsible for its own people before worrying about everyone else.

There is an easy way out of this: increase control, give extremely high fines to those who hire illegals and the problem will be solved faster.

agree
z_darius 14 | 3,969
19 Apr 2011  #10
Unfortunately not only in the UK but in the Netherlands too. That's why the government wants to change the rules and only give benefits to those who speak the Dutch language. And if you don't have a job after three months, you are required to leave the country.

Few Dutch spoke Ndebele, Sotho, Swazi, Tswana, Tsonga, Venda, Xhosa or Zulu and yet they didn't leave after 3 months. In fact they overstayed for over 300 years, so your proposition sounds unfair, and you strike me as someone who'd love to be fair, no?

Were broke over here as well and have to stop giving out free handouts to Illegals, thats for certain!

Brits were illegals around the world for a few of centuries. In some countries they still are. They murdered and plundered far away cultures for far too long, so cry me a river.

I actually find it hilarious that the old adage seems so true in the case of the so very great Britain - what goes around comes around - and the Brits' land is now being ... colonized :)
Stu 12 | 522
19 Apr 2011  #11
Come on, z_darius ... what on earth has colonialism some 300 years ago to do with today?

Fact of the matter is that people from Central and Eastern Europe come to the west, work a couple of months and then go on and abuse the welfare system.

You'd hate it when people would abuse the welfare system of your country (if it has any) and so do we. Nowadays even more, since we all are facing the consequences of the economic crisis. The time of free handouts is over.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,681
19 Apr 2011  #12
Come on, z_darius ... what on earth has colonialism some 300 years ago to do with today?

everything, stu...it's called massive post colonial hangover and quite honestly both Britain and Netherlands deserve it. Our ports and stations and art galleries were built on slavery and exploitation and our motorways built by cheap immigrant labour. The Queens massive jewel collection is mostly stolen from India, etc etc...

(rants a bit)
Quite honestly we owe the Poles more than they owe us. Who held the Ottomans off at the gates of Vienna? Benefits are paltry anyway, and a drop in the ocean of the arms and war budget. Sadly we are distracted from this by propoganda and hatred published in various red top papers....:) Don't be a sucker for it..
guesswho 4 | 1,289
19 Apr 2011  #13
it's called massive post colonial hangover

yeah, it's like being wasted for 300 years, LOL
Stu 12 | 522
19 Apr 2011  #14
I'm sorry ... I see it quite differently.

What we did then has nothing to do with what is happening now.

Post-colonial hangover ... yeah right!

And by the way ... the Polish motorways are built by cheap immigrant labour as well ... the Chinese.

If people abuse the English, Dutch, German welfare system or the welfare system of whatever country, they should be expelled. And that is exactly what the Netherlands will be doing as soon as this law is passed. No job for over three months and then it is bye bye, EU-citizen or not.

I for one applaud it.
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
19 Apr 2011  #15
Polish workers losing their UK jobs in the economic downturn are choosing not to return home but to stay and take advantage of the generous benefits system.

Wouldn't you? if you lost your payroll job and could get benefits and work for cash on the side?
z_darius 14 | 3,969
19 Apr 2011  #16
Come on, z_darius ... what on earth has colonialism some 300 years ago to do with today?

A lot.
In short, one might be tempted to go as far as saying that UK never had economy to speak off. Take away the effects of plunder by the British and do you have left? Haggis?

Although honestly, no one really knows how it would be to rely solely on themselves as the Brits never tried.

Fact of the matter is that people from Central and Eastern Europe come to the west, work a couple of months and then go on and abuse the welfare system.

Nowadays even more, since we all are facing the consequences of the economic crisis. The time of free handouts is over.

That's a drop in the bucket. If you're serious about fixing Britain's economy then start here. That's where real handouts go, and this is just a tip of the iceberg.

You'd hate it when people would abuse the welfare system of your country (if it has any) and so do we.

I certainly would, and I detest the fact they some indeed do.

If people abuse the English, Dutch, German welfare system or the welfare system of whatever country, they should be expelled.

I wouldn't lump Germans in the mix. While they did try to be like Brits they got kicked in their collective rear end really bad and yet they picked themselves up and are on top in EU. For that, IMO, unlike Brits that they deserve much more respect than the Brits.
Stu 12 | 522
19 Apr 2011  #17
Who held the Ottomans off at the gates of Vienna?

So since the Dutch gave the Russians all their nautical knowledge in the time of Peter The Great, we can cheat them as well (not that the Russians have such a great welfare system, but anyway). Come on ... rozumiemnic ... I do hope you are just joking cause otherwise you are making a complete nuthead of yourself.

And people defrauding the system withhold those who are really in need of the money they are entitled to. So your contention is not only ridiculous, but also short-sighted.

Well ... you guys can complain all you want, but the time that people from Central and Eastern Europe can defraud the Dutch system are nearly over. Three months out of a job and it is back to your own country, EU-citizen or not.. Hope a lot of people read it and heed the warning. And by the way ... in the Netherlands unfortunately it is NOT a drop in the ocean ... that's why the government decided to pass a law. And I am all for it.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
19 Apr 2011  #18
And by the way ... the Polish motorways are built by cheap immigrant labour as well ... the Chinese.

That's far from true, the overwhelming majority of the roads are being built by German and Spanish companies.
Very few were carried out by Chinese but the anti-immigration tabloids homed in on.

If you're serious about fixing Britain's economy then start here.

Absolutely!
We all turn on each other while the culprits get away Scot free.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,681
19 Apr 2011  #19
That's a drop in the bucket. If you're serious about fixing Britain's economy then start here.

spot on z darius.....:)
isthatu2 4 | 2,708
19 Apr 2011  #20
Its sounds exactly like our problem with the Illegal Mexicans, but they sneak in!

Not really,"your" ilegals have not been paying tax have they? The Polish workers have atleast contributed,some Brits round here have never contributed a penny in income tax and still get welfare,so...........

Bet you didnt expect that from a Brit ;)

Quite honestly we owe the Poles more than they owe us. Who held the Ottomans off at the gates of Vienna?

oh FFS.......seriously,you think jacek the chav from posnan should have a job and welfare in britain because his great great great great great great etc etc etc Grandady might have been a Winged hussar? Get tha feck outa here...;)

Its the 21st C,no one alive owes anyone an apology or a favour because of 70 or 700 year old events ffs....but we are all in Europe,and hopefully slightly more civilised so......
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
20 Apr 2011  #21
Not really,"your" ilegals have not been paying tax have they?

Wrong, almost all illegal immigrant workers in America have tax taken out of their paychecks, just like citizens, and they are ineligible for welfare, so they pay into a system whose safety net they do not use.
isthatu2 4 | 2,708
20 Apr 2011  #22
Well thats just criminal then.
Incase you missed my tone I was sticking up for Immirants full stop.
Gets a bit tiresome when people sat at £500 + pcs and laptops can b!tch and moan so much about people wanting a better life for their family.

(and note the question mark at the end of the,er,question,I wasnt writing in an aussie accent :) )
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
20 Apr 2011  #23
Its sounds exactly like our problem with the Illegal Mexicans, but they sneak in!

It doesn't sound like our problem with illegal immigration. Two different things, entirely. Anyone within the EU can go to Britain and live, if I am not mistaken, and they earn privileges the longer they stay.

Illegal immigrants come here, open restaurants, make a lot of money and buy big houses, not relying on the government for anything.
Did you know that many illegals start their own businesses, can become contractors and small business owners without ever getting caught or deported? It's not a matter of them getting benefits, it's a matter of them coming in, working for less, then realizing the American dream without getting deported (of course, the entire time, they are competing with American businesses, taking money from them, which is the real issue here.)

Although most don't want to hear it, the majority of welfare goes to caucasian Americans simply because they are the majority in the US, so they have the biggest numbers getting benefits from the state.

It's, most likely, the same in the UK. Most of the people milking the system are British, they just want to scapegoat small minorities so they can't be blamed for bankrupting their own system.
BBman - | 344
20 Apr 2011  #24
what goes around comes around - and the Brits' land is now being ... colonized :)

This is what i was going to say.
isthatu2 4 | 2,708
20 Apr 2011  #25
In short, one might be tempted to go as far as saying that UK never had economy to speak off. Take away the effects of plunder by the British and do you have left? Haggis?

lols mate, you bumped your head or something? Your not usually one of the mouth breathers on here.............

and the Brits' land is now being ... colonized :)

Thank you for your concern....so tell me,how does it feel to be a part of the genocide of many nations?
I ask simply as,living in America you are no better than a german settler in occupied Poland yet you have the nerve to start accussing modern day british people of crimes commited centuries ago....we brits are living in our country,the one where our ancestors are part of the soil and have been for thousands of years.

You however are living in a land stolen from a people who were murdered and the few survivors marginalised to this day and yet you talk about empire, christ sake mate,the land you walk on is not yours,its stolen from others,the nation you live in was built on the blood and sweat of slaves and near slaves,you have "overseas" territories till this day that you have zero intention of giving back, I mean,fcuking Samoa? Not exactly mainland US now is it?....get some perspective....
Al Paca
20 Apr 2011  #26
the majority of welfare goes to caucasian Americans simply because they are the majority in the US, so they have the biggest numbers getting benefits from the state. It's, most likely, the same in the UK. Most of the people milking the system are British, they just want to scapegoat small minorities so they can't be blamed for bankrupting their own system.

In sheer numbers, sure, for the reason you state. But the percentage of lazy minority system-suckers is much greater, particularly blacks over here, who expect whitey to support them like it is owed to them.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
20 Apr 2011  #27
But the percentage of lazy minority system-suckers is much greater, particularly blacks over here, who expect whitey to support them like it is owed to them.

Yeah, but it doesn't matter because the number is so small. You get whitey off welfare and the deficit will go away.
Al Paca
20 Apr 2011  #28
As Mexican numbers continue to grow and they assume more of a dominant role in our society, it will be interesting to watch the conflict between them and blacks unfold. They might be on the same Dem side right now, but hardworking Mexies don't much care for lazy blacks either and are much more likely to resist paying for them to sit on their black butts complaining expecting to be carried. And blackie won't be able to play the slavery card on Mexies like they have for eternity against whitey.
He2
20 Apr 2011  #29
Most of the people milking the system are British, they just want to scapegoat small minorities so they can't be blamed for bankrupting their own system.

bingo!

What do you mean saying - abusing system ?Getting something you are entitle to, is not abusing, isn't it?

of the generous benefits system.

generous benefits - you must be thinking about Dubai or the-like, British system is anything but generous, well maybe if you are professional benefit's recipient, having almost free housing, allowances on this and that, kids benefits, and you don't pay tax or bloody council's rates.....possibly making some monies on side in shady transactions.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
20 Apr 2011  #30
As Mexican numbers continue to grow and they assume more of a dominant role in our society

Nah, they will probably smush them all in the same catagory like before.


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