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Is moving to UK now a good idea? - antipolish prejudice of the Brits


Seanus 15 | 19,706
14 Aug 2011 #61
Good first point, Midas.

I like the second too. If the boot was on the other foot, how would they cope? Poland has enormously benefitted from the EU and now they say they don't have the resources for foreigners? Tolerance is sustained til trespass sets in.
OP MyMom 6 | 137
14 Aug 2011 #62
The United Kingdom is a country with a long history of tolerance for outsiders. It has accepted waves after waves of people coming from very different cultures ( Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Chinese, people from the Carribean, Greeks, loads of Eastern Europeans since 2004 ) and has endured.

That fact makes it very strange that all their resentment is concentrating on Poles, don't you think?
Besides, many of those who come to UK HAVE ALL THE RIGHT TO DO SO - as they are coming from the former colonies, which were once exploited to make Britain a world power - so the Brits are not giving anything away, they are merely giving back, and in my opinion they are not giving back enough. In comparison I don't think many foreigners have the moral right to come to Poland - except for maybe Polish diaspora from the east.

I cannot honestly imagine Poland taking in 2.000.000 British people over the course of a couple of years right now, especially if said people went on to compete for jobs with the Polish.

Poland once had over 3 million Jews. That was almost 10% of society - totally culturally different.
UK has now 62 million inhabitants according to Wikipedia, so we could start to compare the two if some 5 million Poles lived in the UK.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
14 Aug 2011 #63
It's not all their resentment. Some Lithuanians have come in for stick. It's the sheer numbers people objected to, not Polishness per se. Poles often take things too personally and you've just shown it again.

Many foreigners don't have the moral right? Why not? I'd argue that many improve your culture, they add colour.

The Jews were roaming nomads for so long. It's not like they were from a specific country pre-Israel.

Poland is bigger than the UK.
PALOMA 1 | 15
14 Aug 2011 #64
MyMom
If you've been offered a decent job over here, just come over. There is some resentment about poles being in the UK but most british people will not show it and treat people well!

Ignore the riots, this is the result of 40 years of ridiculous government policies (all political parties included ) and these riots break out from time to time, they are not specifically aimed at any race! The polish lady in the Sun was only saying what everyone would in this particular situation,human nature! Give the UK a go, if you hate it you can return to Poland with a bit of experience of the world!
Seanus 15 | 19,706
14 Aug 2011 #65
Good post, PALOMA
Alfred
14 Aug 2011 #66
The people of Britain shouldn't be blamed and punished for the actions of their government.
Midas 1 | 571
14 Aug 2011 #67
That fact makes it very strange that all their resentment is concentrating on Poles, don't you think?

That "resentment" is mostly in your own head.

Bottom line here is - if you happen to be a professional whose skills are highly in demand and at the same time happen to be bothered by the fact that a very small percentage of UK's population aren't too happy with Polish people - by all means take your skills and knowledge to some other country.

That's the solution to your "problem", nobody in the UK is going to bend over backwards to have you here and if you honestly care so much about what a few ******** think then you going somewhere else will benefit everyone.

Besides, many of those who come to UK HAVE ALL THE RIGHT TO DO SO - as they are coming from the former colonies

Complete and utter nonsense. Doesn't apply to Poles anyway. Do the Ukrainians have the right to invade Poland by the millions due to Poland pretty much owning Ukraine until the Partitions?

In comparison I don't think many foreigners have the moral right to come to Poland - except for maybe Polish diaspora from the east.

Yeah, moral right people, let's form a circle and sing.

British people can come to Poland and work - Poland is part of the EU now. The fact that they're not doing it is grounded purely in economics.

Poland once had over 3 million Jews. That was almost 10% of society - totally culturally different.

And when exactly was that? Plus, didn't Poland once tell its Jewish citizens that they'd be better off in Israel? Hardly a good argument there, mate.

If the boot was on the other foot, how would they cope?

Assuming, for example, that the Polish will figure their shale gas in 10 years - I honestly don't see them being as open to immigration as the UK was/is. If 2.000.000 Englishmen immigrated to Poland in a span of a couple of years and started competing for the jobs on the local job market - my guess is there would probably be a civil war. I can honestly see Jarek Kaczynski right now, as he jumps on two stools and yells at the microphone :-)
OP MyMom 6 | 137
14 Aug 2011 #68
Justice and equality in mutual relations is nonsense?
If Ukrainians didn't murder thousands of Poles and expelled many more, if Poland kept Lwów, then we would have something to argue about - right now we owe them nothing.

Coming back to Britains debt towards former colonies - have there been any public debate about this? I mean, instead of offering welfare to immigrants, you could just pay directly, just a suggestion.

British people can come to Poland and work - Poland is part of the EU now. The fact that they're not doing it is grounded purely in economics.

Shall I call you Captain Obvious?

And when exactly was that? Plus, didn't Poland once tell its Jewish citizens that they'd be better off in Israel? Hardly a good argument there, mate.

The antisemitic campaign of 1968 was not started by "Poland" but by Polish puppet state, courtesy of Churchill and Roosevelt.

If 2.000.000 Englishmen immigrated to Poland in a span of a couple of years and started competing for the jobs on the local job market

"Competing for jobs" is so 20th century working class thinking. There is no "fixed number of jobs" in the economy.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
14 Aug 2011 #69
Likewise, Poles murdered thousands of Ukrainians. See a trend here?

He had to state it, MyMom. Brits can travel to Poland, simple.

Competing for jobs is a reality and quite a few are the victims of being pushed out unfairly. Want a reliable documentary that shows that?
Vincent 9 | 864 Moderator
14 Aug 2011 #70
This thread is not about Jews or shale gas. There are already threads about these subjects. Please keep to the topic of the thread.
BritishEmpire - | 148
14 Aug 2011 #71
If you want me to be honest your all kidding yourselves if you you think that the UK is not racist, there is a long history of it that goes back longer than any of us have been alive. What you happen to see in your every day lives is lots of people trying to reassure that it is otherwise, the reason you may ask is very very simple. The English class system is nothing more that an effective way for the richer members in society to continuously f*** over the working man in society and the government provides an effective middle man in which the job can be done with out leaving a paper trail. The papers might pedal stories of sympathy and support but it is backed up by very few on the street, the polish are nothing more than the latest edition to the UK economy (like the blacks and asians before) that provide a very effective way (like before and proven) of driving down labour cost, its as simple as that so while miss poland may have had her life turned upside down for a few weeks whilst she searches out a new flat then may we take a moment to think about all the British workers that have had their living standards driven into the dirt because the reason for the "antipolish prejudice" and general anti immigrant felling in general springs from that very issue.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
14 Aug 2011 #72
BE, I've had enough of this rubbish. Small parts are racist and big parts aren't. Simple enough?

The rest of your post is good though :) :)
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007
14 Aug 2011 #73
Go to Glasgow. There are the most lovely working lads there.

Glasgow is Glasgow. It has it's problems but not many people who live there would change their city.
AdamKadmon 2 | 508
14 Aug 2011 #74
That is why I have compared Glasgow to Warsaw.
Alfred
14 Aug 2011 #75
Coming back to Britains debt towards former colonies - have there been any public debate about this? I mean, instead of offering welfare to immigrants, you could just pay directly, just a suggestion.

They would do that by introducing a new tax, it would cause more resentment towards immigrants and I wouldn't be surprised if civil war broke out. Wat Tyler et al.

I think MyMom is a wind up merchant from one of the former colonies with a chip on each shoulder bigger than St Paul's Cathedral.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
14 Aug 2011 #76
I wouldn't be so sure, Alfred. I've seen quite a few Poles expecting special treatment. I'm glad those around me are thoroughly decent people whom I can trust and enjoy the company of. They will see as I see.

MyMom, what is your definition of a first class citizen? What are your expectations? I ask because you said you didn't want to be treated as a second class citizen.
AdamKadmon 2 | 508
14 Aug 2011 #77
Isn't it better to sit in Poland an just listen to the best of the good old Britain not worrying about how would the people there treat you if you happen to go there?
Seanus 15 | 19,706
14 Aug 2011 #78
Let's hear some stories of Poles who are in the UK then. JustyS was nice enough to give us her account. Her biggest problem? Other Poles. My wife's? Other Poles. My students who went there and came back? Other Poles. See a trend here?
plgrl
14 Aug 2011 #79
I had a look at the comments on The Sun and most were about her outlook, not about her being Polish at all.

If you read comments on Polish sites they're also very negative towards this Polish woman and things what she said...
Seanus 15 | 19,706
14 Aug 2011 #80
Precisely! There needs to be fairness. Views are views, regardless of nationality. It's not an Us Vs Them thing
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007
14 Aug 2011 #81
Nobody here really moans about the Polish. Everyone has their own lives to lead and only moans when they can't come up with a viable excuse as to why there own lives aren't full.

Let them moan, won't change a thing.
Alfred
14 Aug 2011 #82
Someone should start a group on Facebook to get opinions of those already living in broken Britain.
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007
14 Aug 2011 #83
Oh come, its far far from broken.
isthatu2 4 | 2,703
14 Aug 2011 #84
Basically the OP comes across as a whinging fekker,best stay at home ,too many whinging fekkers with a lazy arsed sense of entitlement in this country already..............
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007
14 Aug 2011 #85
aye, and the thousands of them are being put through court as we speak!

Do you think its too late to send them off to oz again?? :D
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,849
15 Aug 2011 #86
makes it very strange that all their resentment is concentrating on Poles, don't you think?

thats just your (skewed) perception, isn't it? I reserve my resentment for idiots and arrogant feckers of any nationality. Sounds like you could join the club sweetie, no prob xx
JustysiaS 13 | 2,240
15 Aug 2011 #87
Just went over your thread Justys and no bones to pick, where are you in Hampshire at the moment? im in Hampshire.

no bones to pick, seriously? ;) i live in the Rushmoor district area, to narrow it down a bit, but planning to move to Surrey next year to be closer to work
isthatu2 4 | 2,703
15 Aug 2011 #88
Do you think its too late to send them off to oz again?? :D

Well,if we only sent the under 18s it wouldnt be a problem for Oz as theyd ship them straight off to malaysia to be pimped out to chinese kiddie fiddlers............as for the adults,nah,send em to the 13 colonies.
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
15 Aug 2011 #89
Oh come, its far far from broken.

David Cameron disagrees with you.
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007
15 Aug 2011 #90
And what the fu(k does he know?!

Wait a minute, very working class job he does eh?


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