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Many Polish in England don't study or work. How is it possible?


godzilla853 2 | 6
6 Feb 2013  #1
Hello i'm studying in England (London) and notice many Polish living in my area don't study or work.. they are taking the money of England to live?

How can they do this ?
ismellnonsense - | 118
6 Feb 2013  #2
its strange
last time i was in the uk
i noticed many people not working or studying too

they were all native
APF 4 | 106
6 Feb 2013  #3
Why is it strange?? Natives are in their OWN country and get help from their OWN government .. the threadstarter is asking how FOREIGN Poles get money to survive?
zetigrek
6 Feb 2013  #4
As a native ismellnonsense is eligible to give opinions about life in Great Britain while you as a German - are not.
APF 4 | 106
6 Feb 2013  #5
you as a German - are not.

I am, because the English are the sons of Germany.
zetigrek
6 Feb 2013  #6
Just wait on a British person seeing that!

btw. what's your problem, why have you come here and stir up? It's so silly the thing what you do.
jon357 63 | 14,134
6 Feb 2013  #7
Just wait on a British person seeing that!

He didn't have to wait long. Daft really - the two cultures are chalk and cheese.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
6 Feb 2013  #8
they are taking the money of England to live?

Do you expect us to know ? Go and ask them.
ismellnonsense - | 118
6 Feb 2013  #9
Why is it strange?? Natives are in their OWN country and get help from their OWN government .. the threadstarter is asking how FOREIGN Poles get money to survive?

they arent foreigners
they are residents
legal residents
and entitled to the same as any other resident

the poles helped us during ww2
they deserve something in return
and the uk can afford it

what is it to you?
not your money

may i remind you
that the european union exists
to stop your type murdering half of europe
OP godzilla853 2 | 6
7 Feb 2013  #10
is this man really english lol ??
ToryRight - | 17
16 Feb 2013  #11
David Cameron is finally going to do what the French have done and that is screw EU laws and stop bending over for immigrants.

It isn't right that a British persons benefits are being cut when will still give handouts to migrants.

Be happy, DC is going to stop this soon.
zetigrek
16 Feb 2013  #12
what the French have done

What have the French done?
ToryRight - | 17
16 Feb 2013  #13
Defied EU law.

EU migrants benefits have been cut to 17% of what French nationals get and they've limited public services for EU migrants.

I never thought I'd say this but we need to be more like the French.

I wish Francois Hollande was our PM :-)

Can I also add that EU migrants in France aren't given homes for free, instead they're left on the streets.
zetigrek
16 Feb 2013  #14
EU migrants benefits have been cut to 17% of what French nationals get and they've limited public services for EU migrants.

Why have they done that if they had had no problems with immigrants from Eastern Europe? At whom were the cuts aimed?
Could you provide a source?
ToryRight - | 17
16 Feb 2013  #15
eutimes.net/2012/12/french-government-cuts-immigrants-welfare-by-83/
mfs-theothernews.com/2012/12/french-government-will-cut-immigrants.html

Will we do it? Yes. David Cameron needs to keep UKIP of his back.

Good news yeah?

independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/pm-targets-benefits-for-eu-nationals-8494030.html

Read this as well.

I think we can all agree it would be best for the country if this happened.
zetigrek
16 Feb 2013  #16
ToryRight

Where does it say it concerns EU immigrants? There is only one sentence concerning EU immigrants in supposed cuts in allowence (which one?), which make no sense given the fact they struggle with emigration from Muslim countries (as it is acknowledged in the article further). Actually what is "EU Times"? I've never heard about them.

No mainstream media news about that?
ToryRight - | 17
16 Feb 2013  #17
Err the Independent?

And its for ALL immigrants.

A source isn't necessary anyway since it is already implemented in France and will hopefully be implemented here as well.

:-)
zetigrek
16 Feb 2013  #18
Err the Independent?

No, I mean the previous piece of information.

And its for ALL immigrants.

Why would they break the rule about same "treatment" of eu migrants and its citizens if they had no influx of eu immigrants causing any problems? That makes no sense that's why I ask you about mainstream media news article.
ToryRight - | 17
16 Feb 2013  #19
What are you rambling about? France has loads of EU migrants, they just don't have an absurd amounts of Poles like we do.

It is for all immigrants, so don't argue that please.
zetigrek
16 Feb 2013  #20
France has loads of EU migrants, they just don't have an absurd amounts of Poles like we do.

Haven't they opened their job market for new eu members just last year?

Don't you have better source for that piece of information? I've just read very unfavourable reviews of the site. And the article is very vague for me.

I'm sure that such news concerning eu expats would hit the headlines somewhere in the mainstream.
Warszawette - | 128
16 Feb 2013  #21
Hi! Where the hell have you read this? It is - unfortunately - not true. Foreigners get exactly the same benefits (often without having worked a single day in France and even upon their arrival) as the French and unfortunately very often more easily; thus a strong hostile reaction from a lot of citizens. The current government is just continuing what all other governments before them did although they stopped a few weeks ago to give 300 euros per adult and 100 euros per child "accepting" to return (plane ticket paid ;)) to Rumania where the minimum salary is 158 euros(month), which was a - stupid - measure taken by Sarkozy. Roms used to take the money, to spend a few weeks in Rumania and then to return to France and so on and so on.... "lol"

(ps: I'm French so I know the situation in that country, I don't need to rely on false info transmitted by foreign media)

(ps: although am a "liberal", I believe that welfare should be given only to nationals and if to foreigners as well, only after several years of residence in the new country - this would reduce immigration ;)
ToryRight - | 17
16 Feb 2013  #22
Oh, I'm mistaken then, but it was considered right?

Our government are looking into EU benefit tourism/abuse and they cite France as an example.

I agree though, immigrants should only get benefits after years of residency and tax paying.
zetigrek
16 Feb 2013  #23
Foreigners get exactly the same benefits (often without having worked a single day in France and even upon their arrival) as the French and unfortunately very often more easily; thus a strong hostile reaction from a lot of citizens.

To specify, who sponge French benefit system: eu immigrants or non-eu immigrants?

they stopped a few weeks ago to give 300 euros per adult and 100 euros per child "accepting" to return (plane ticket paid ;)) to Rumania where the minimum salary is 158 euros(month

To straighten things out, those Romas were not entitled to any benefits, right? I'm asking you, please, to spell it out.
Warszawette - | 128
16 Feb 2013  #24
ToryRight: France opened its labor market to central Europe very recently but already around 300,000 Poles in the construction industry (heard last night on French tv) (the "plombier polonais" ;)) + probably as many (when registered) in cleaning (Polish women have been cleaning French homes since the 1990's), agriculture, hotels and restaurants. Although most French hate this situation, most people do not hate Poles and Poland since there are a couple million French of Polish origin (a lot of Poles came before WWII to work in the mines in North and East) and they are perfectly integrated (a lot of them are very successful).

I believe that in those times of economic hardship, labor market should be protected instead of having the UE bs... Foreigners should be accepted only if no local can do the job....

And sorry, the British government was wrong to let so many Poles in. It was a way to bring British salaries and working conditions down but who is guilty? The government are, the Poles are not.
ToryRight - | 17
16 Feb 2013  #25
I agree completely with everything you posted.

I really wish the EU didn't accept poor countries like Poland, Romania, Bulgaria.. Ect
zetigrek
16 Feb 2013  #26
I really wish the EU didn't accept poor countries like Poland, Romania, Bulgaria.. Ect

So what are your gripes against Poles?
Warszawette - | 128
16 Feb 2013  #27
Zetigrek! Unfortunately, like I said, anybody just arriving can and do get welfare (especially when kids). I've seen cases of for instance Bulgarian families just arriving from Bulgaria getting hotel rooms paid + money for the kids, for food, free transportation and free medical care ("CMU" couverture médicale universelle, not "sécurité sociale"). Of course, most people are fed up of this but no government shall ever do anything especially since they have their hands tied up by Brussels

Sarkozy got the - brilliant - idea to pay Roms to spend vacation in France. A family of let's say 3 kids (but of course most of them have huge "tribes") were getting each time 900 euros (600 for the parents and 300 for the kids) + plane ticket paid and doing this several times a year, they had a luxurious life in Rumania ;). Fortunately, the current government has just stopped that nonsense; Roms are expelled and leave with 0,00 euro.

To summarize it is not true what Tory says about welfare cuts in France to foreigners. 90% of the French would be happy but it shall never happen
ToryRight - | 17
16 Feb 2013  #28
They oversaturate an already crowded job market. It's not just Poles though.

As Warszawette said, immigrants should only be given jobs if the locals can't do them.
Warszawette - | 128
16 Feb 2013  #29
Tory: I share your opinion 100%. Those countries were not ready but I believe they were accepted only so western companies would go there very easily because of cheap labor and thus destroying jobs in the west.
zetigrek
16 Feb 2013  #30
I've seen cases of for instance Bulgarian families just arriving from Bulgaria getting hotel rooms paid + money for the kids, for food, free transportation and free medical care

Why were they given that? What was the circumstance?

As Warszawette said, immigrants should only be given jobs if the locals can't do them.

I can tell you as a Pole, that at the beginning (2004-2007) it was advertised like that.


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