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British court lets violent Polish racists walk free


Harry    
15 Sep 2017  #1
I'm disgusted to read about this decision of a British court. Two Poles who live in the UK attacked members of a wedding party outside a synagogue, physically assaulting them, whipping them and racial abusing them. The charming Polish lady (who in the photo does not look Polish) was convicted of three counts of racially aggravated assault and her Polish partner was convicted of two counts of common assault. They were both ordered to pay £40 to each of their victims.

Ben Herbst's father, Israel Herbst, rushed to protect his son from the attack and was hit by Ineta Winiarski in the shoulder, as she shouted anti-Semitic abuse throughout the incident, including shouting "Kurwa" (a Polish expletive) and reportedly telling the Jewish wedding guests in broken English: "Dog stay here England, you Jews go away."

Full details here: jewishpress.com/news/global/uk/uk-court-lets-anti-semitic-couple-in-london-walk-free-with-fine-lower-than-parking-ticket/2017/09/13/

I'm not sure if this should be in news or in Polonia (as it may involve two members of Polonia, given that the article identifies the criminals as both British and Polish). If it should be in news, could a mod please move it there, thanks.
spiritus 67 | 662    
15 Sep 2017  #2
I wonder what provoked the attack
Ziemowit 12 | 3,311    
15 Sep 2017  #3
in news or in Polonia (as it may involve two members of Polonia, given that the article identifies the criminals as both British and Polish)

What's the story about? About Polonia or about the British or about the Polish? Were the British attackers and the Polish suffered or the other way round? Did the Jews witness the attack or was it Polonia who witnessed it?
Ironside 47 | 9,501    
15 Sep 2017  #4
Are you sure that has really happened? Some Jewish press relate a shallow hole freshly dig in some bushes as anti-Semitic attack on same Jewish grave, with no more evidence that some Facebooks selfie of some obscure dude.

So I would be very careful with some type of Jewish press that whips up hysterical reaction based on some rumors/gossip.

I wonder what provoked the attack

A very good question.
OP Harry    
15 Sep 2017  #5
I wonder what provoked the attack

Probably the same thing that "provoked" the holocaust. I wonder why you seek to excuse these scumbags.

Were the British attackers and the Polish suffered or the other way round?

From what I can see the attackers were Poles who may also be British. It's hard to imagine British people who are not also Polish shouting "K*rwa" at people. Although the woman in the photo looks more British than Polish. I suppose that some of the victims could have had Polish origins, more than a few Jews who live in the UK do.

Are you sure that has really happened?

Yes, very sure: courtnewsuk.co.uk/couple-launched-anti-semitic-attack-jewish-wedding/
mafketis 17 | 6,756    
15 Sep 2017  #6
Ineta Winiarski

Not a cultural Pole with that name (though at least her father's ancestory is from Polish). She looks (and apparently acts) like a homegrown chavesse (chavette seems a bit young).
Roger5 1 | 1,463    
15 Sep 2017  #7
She looks like a homegrown chavesse.

Unlikely if the quote is accurate.

"Dog stay here England, you Jews go away."
These people appear to be common or garden scum of the type found in any country. It's a great shame that the wedding party had their day ruined, but a custodial sentence would just have cost the taxpayer a fortune. These lowlifes will now have to pay their fines out of their benefits and forego a few cans of super strength cider.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,311    
15 Sep 2017  #8
Not a cultural Pole with that name

They could have made a mistake and the name can be Aneta Winiarski. But - if she is Polish speaking broken English only, so a true contemporary Polish person from Poland - the name should definitely be Aneta Winiarska. That change of -ska into -ski set against her reportedly "broken English" makes this report really suspicious.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,456    
15 Sep 2017  #9
Just goes to show how soft the liberal (Or anti semitic) courts are in the UK, these two are a prime example of random loonies.

Now what I find interesting and maybe a bit sinister is that if you try and look up this crime in the mainstream press it only seems that the times mentions it. but it is all over the Jewish press and understandably so.

I see a rise in anti semitism in the UK, Sadly it seems to be infecting the UK courts, press, and left wing oposition party. all that and the terror attacks plus Brexit, Darkness is descending on Britain, maybe thats why Jews are choosing to leave Britain.
OP Harry    
15 Sep 2017  #10
Not a cultural Pole with that name

Not a cultural anything with those actions. But who other than a Pole would be screaming "K*rwa" at Jews (or anybody else for that matter)?

I see a rise in anti semitism in the UK

Sadly there's also much the same in Poland, with shocking incidents such as effigies of orthodox Jews being burned in the street, and also a much sharper rise in anti-Islamic crime.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,456    
15 Sep 2017  #11
with shocking incidents such as effigies of orthodox Jews being burned in the street,

Yes from memory that idiot got 10 months jail, then reduced on appeal to 3 months jail with the rest community service, and he did not do any physically harm unlike the two muppets above.

What I am saying is that British law is being soft on this type of crime unlike Poland which is giving out hard sentences for this type of hate crime.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,311    
15 Sep 2017  #12
But who other than a Pole would be screaming "K*rwa" at Jews?

Well, it can be anyone who wants to pass as Polish. Now that the immigration of the Polish people to Western Europe has grown over the past several years, this famous Polish word is very likely to have acquired some sort of international recognition.

Notice what I said in my earlier post: The name Ineta Winiarski is very suspicious indeed and can have been made up by someone unfamiliar with the realities concerning Polish people. Ineta isn't a Polish name and if it is Aneta, a true Polish name, the surname of a Polish person shouting words in broken English should definitely be Winiarska.
Ironside 47 | 9,501    
15 Sep 2017  #13
40$ each? Walked free? Means that the court must has had recognize some mitigating circumstances like someone from the wedding party provoked those two. Possible, even likely if you consider that a physical assault took place.

Even so - so what?
I mean so what Harry?
OP Harry    
15 Sep 2017  #14
Means that the court must has had recognize some mitigating circumstances

Interesting assumptions, got any proof to support your claims?

someone from the wedding party provoked those two. Possible

Always amusing to see those who seek to defend racist scumbags whining about provocation.

the surname of a Polish person shouting words in broken English should definitely be Winiarska.

Unless she's sick of explaining why she doesn't have the same surname as her husband. I knew a woman called Mrs Gatski who was entirely Polish but had lived in the US for long enough to have had enough of being called Gacka and explaining why she doesn't have the same surname as her husband and so fixed both problems when naturalizing.
delphiandomine 85 | 17,657    
15 Sep 2017  #15
A truly shocking decision. They should have been deported for this, although I'm thankful that they're free to remain in the UK well away from me.
Ironside 47 | 9,501    
15 Sep 2017  #16
Interesting assumptions, got any proof to support your claims?

Only those facts you have posted here plus logical reasoning - after all we're not talking some slurs or insults but on a physical assault. That is serious and punishment doesn't fit the crime.

Unless you're suggesting that British courts are secretly anti-Semitic and racist themselves.

whining

The only winging whiner here is you!

They should have been deported for this,

Possible they have been born there. We don't know. Harry doesn't know, he only knows they are racists and scumbags and can read their minds from the distance. Maybe he should read their minds some more and tell us more.
G (undercover)    
15 Sep 2017  #17
Looking at the xenophobic jewish comments under the article, I wouldn't be surprised If those expats were actually provoked.
delphiandomine 85 | 17,657    
15 Sep 2017  #18
I think it's obvious they weren't provoked in any way, they just did it because they were trash.
G (undercover)    
15 Sep 2017  #19
Who ? Those expats ?
kaprys 1 | 1,608    
15 Sep 2017  #20
jta.org/2017/09/05/news-opinion/world/british-couple-pleads-guilty-to-anti-semitic-attack-during-wedding-at-london-synagogue

According to this article they were British. That would explain their names:Ineta and Kasimiersz. These are not Polish names. Most probably of Polish origin but raised in the UK.

Antisemitism is on the rise everywhere, indeed.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,456    
15 Sep 2017  #21
names:Ineta and Kasimiersz.

Probably descendants of Ukrainian concentration camp guards you would be amazed how many of those nazi sympathisers came to Britain after the war claiming to be Poles.
Ironside 47 | 9,501    
15 Sep 2017  #22
Probably descendants of Ukrainian

Maybe maybe not. Is that matters?

According to this article they were British.

They could be or they could be not. Nowadays with PC and this leftie bias floating about you can never be sure. Although woman could be anything as they say partner but the name is the same, unless they are related it could his wife so she could be anything.

Saying all that I cannot imagine any Poles nowadays attacking Jewish wedding party out of the blue. From Anti-Semitism as they say. Hence I'm asking if there has been some kind of interaction between them and the wedding party prior to the events described on the news. We don't know that.

We know they don't have a criminal record.
peterweg 36 | 2,315    
16 Sep 2017  #23
thetimes.co.uk/article/racist-attack-shocks-guests-at-jewish-wedding-f90gt2xlg

Reported in The Times

Their names and clothing are not British, FWIW.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,679    
16 Sep 2017  #24
Their names and clothing are not British, FWIW.

? what do u mean by that? what point are you making?

that article is behind a paywall anyway.
peterweg 36 | 2,315    
16 Sep 2017  #25
That would explain their names:Ineta and Kasimiersz. These are not Polish names.

Poles born in the UK anglicise their names from unspellable, unpronounceable things like these.

Ineta is a Latvian name.
mafketis 17 | 6,756    
16 Sep 2017  #26
Their names and clothing are not British, FWIW.

A tiny bit of searching indicated that the British press still hasn't really come to terms with Polish naming.

They two are listed as Winiarski in the first article with a mis-spelling of Kazimierz.

Ineta is a Polish name (though pretty rare) and I found an Ineta Winiarska living in London with Kazimierz Winiarska(!)

My best guess is they were underclass in Poland and made it to the UK where they continue there 'marginesowe' lifestyle if they work(ed) it would probably be either off the books or just the minimum until they qualified for welfare.

It could be they use both Winiarski and Winiarska (which would be treated as similar be distinct names in English speaking countries) for different purposes. I remember an article from about 12 years ago on Polish people in the UK setting up accounts (phone, cable) under one name and never paying their bills, when the service is cut off they just change names (or slightly respell their names in ways that most in the UK wouldn't undersand - Anna, Asia, Ania Kazimierz -Kazik etc).
TicTacToe    
16 Sep 2017  #27
Labour voters, the left. They have a problem with holding back their anti-semitic views since Jeremy Corbyn has come to be leader of the Labour party. London, for a remain city really is a racist **** hole.
jon357 64 | 14,382    
16 Sep 2017  #28
Poles born in the UK anglicise their names from unspellable.

According to the media, this pair are from Poland.

they were underclass in Poland and made it to the UK where they continue there 'marginesowe' lifestyle

This is very possible.
OP Harry    
16 Sep 2017  #29
My best guess is they were underclass in Poland and made it to the UK.

Yes, they certainly are striking examples of the benefits of EU membership for Poland. One has to hope that Brexit won't in any way reduce the flow of scumbags leaving Poland.

this pair are from Poland.

Personally I'm far less concerned with where they are from than where they are. Or to be more accurate where they are not, i.e. not in Poland; the UK is welcome to them and their foul ilk.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,456    
16 Sep 2017  #30
i.e. not in Poland; the UK is welcome to them and their foul ilk.

I don't think that it's totaly fair to dump the scumbags in the UK, I think there should have been a mechanism where crimes involving violence would mean that they could be deported back to Poland where their sentancs could be reviewed under Polish law, and if that meant a custodial sentance then they could serve it in a Polish jail, where im sure as you know they would be "well" looked after.


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