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What is qualites of Germans?


Vlad123 7 | 204    
6 Feb 2013  #1
Many Poles pretend or maybe just dream that Poles have ``lot in common``
with Germanic people.From what I could conclude they look at them from down to top.
Does anyone communicated with Germans and could describe their qualities both
positive and negative?Thanks.
jimborup 2 | 12    
6 Feb 2013  #2
German good qualities: punctual, orderly, cultured, open minded, healthy and mostly friendly.

German bad qualities: sometimes too orderly, not social in public, very bureaucratic.

Of course these are generalizations and are not true in all cases.
zetigrek    
6 Feb 2013  #3
Many Poles pretend or maybe just dream that Poles have ``lot in common``with Germanic people.

You must be kidding.
ShortHairThug - | 1,103    
6 Feb 2013  #4
Is this the opinion of Russians? Many Russians pretend the same with regards to Poles, besides our common Slavic roots there's nothing that unites us. Why would you start a thread reinforcing the old stereotypes? I judge people on individual basis, for me to have a beer with you very much depends on how much of an A-hole you are not where you come from or what your roots might be.
OP Vlad123 7 | 204    
  6 Feb 2013  #5
German good qualities: punctual, orderly, cultured, open minded, healthy and mostly friendly.

I would be glad to hear mind of person who knows plenty of Germans personally and/or observed
their everyday culture and behaivour.

You must be kidding.

For example this is quates of people who pretend to be native Poles:

I'm polish born and I'm not so sure that before Hitler and Goebbels, German people hated Poles. I always thought that Poles had more in common with the German people then Russians.

ww2f.com/eastern-europe-october-1939-february-1943/13291-why-did-germans-hate-poles.html

And regarding origin I would claim that the modern Polish people are at least as related to Western European people as to Russians. Just imagine how many German settlers came to Poland in the Middle Ages. Most of them became part of the Polish nation very soon just like many people from Eastern Germany (Brandenburg, Mecklenburg and Western Pomerania and Saxony) have Slavonic ancestors.

https://polishforums.com/news/poland-support-idea-slavic-unity-57128/2/

Is this the opinion of Russians? Many Russians pretend the same with regards to Poles, besides our common Slavic roots there's nothing that unites us.

I did not hear that Russians would pretend to have many common with Poles.Usually they claim it in regard Ukrainians and Belorussians what usually energetically denied by Ukrainian nationalists.But the question was about Germans,not Slavic people.But you opened another interesting question:

Could you detail such an interesting statement that nothing unites Poles and Russians?What do you think could unite them?And what disunited?
APF 4 | 106    
6 Feb 2013  #6
Inventions, culture, art, music, multicultural lifestyle, beer
jon357 65 | 14,419    
6 Feb 2013  #7
Hypochondria, political extremism, neurosis
APF 4 | 106    
6 Feb 2013  #8
From where are you?

Political extremism??

You know that Brits had the same problem during WW2?? The normal Tommy only had enough in his stomach, so he fought against the racist from the BUF in the riots of the Cable Street .. Germans were back then too weak, too hungry, too poor to fight .. they saw hope in the psychopaths of the Third Reich ..

Today is Germany one of the most open minded countries ..
ShortHairThug - | 1,103    
6 Feb 2013  #9
usually energetically denied by Ukrainian nationalists.

What’s wrong with being proud of who you are? Do you automatically have to label someone a nationalist because it’s not conforming to your line of reasoning?

the question was about Germans,not Slavic people.

Perhaps I’ve missed judged your intentions. There’s too much negativity on this form as it is. It’s hard to imagine that people who regularly post here are not working with or dealing with foreigners on the daily basis so perhaps sharing their experiences on what their working relationships are like no matter the nationality instead of making a list of pro and con would make it a more interesting topic.

To answer your question, I’ve worked with Germans and going out to a pub for a beer or us occasionally hanging out with our wives and girlfriends was not about dreaming that Poles have something in common with Germans or vice versa but rather what our working relationship was like. Occasional tease about our respective nationalities was not malicious in nature either but it was all in good fun, no one took it personally, it made the working environment that much more enjoyable.
TheOther 5 | 3,626    
6 Feb 2013  #10
I mostly agree with jimborup above, but would add that Germans are often very direct. They tell you without hesitation what they are thinking, which might come across as offensive for some people who are not expecting this. After getting used to it I actually enjoyed that character trait of the Germans.
Grzegorz_ 52 | 6,177    
6 Feb 2013  #11
Many Poles pretend or maybe just dream that Poles have ``lot in common``
with Germanic people.

You Russians are strange people.
Ironside 47 | 9,394    
6 Feb 2013  #12
wow i think this thread belongs to random
ismellnonsense - | 118    
6 Feb 2013  #13
Many Poles pretend or maybe just dream that Poles have ``lot in common``
with Germanic people.

since
when
OP Vlad123 7 | 204    
  6 Feb 2013  #14
If judge about Germans from German movies I cannot tell that they make some especially positive impression
on me.Well,at least they look quite far from those ``pure Arian`` types invisioned by Nazies.
In many German movies there is present some suicidal themes.
In one of the airports I saw some German couple about 40 years old and their behaivour differed a lot from
behaivour of North Americans for example.The husbend spoke to his wife with loud and orderly tone and behaived
like a boss and too protectively.Their behaivour seemed to me unusually patriarchal in comparison to many other people.And they somehow differed from other people.

But principally I do not judge about entire nation from a few accidental people.
jon357 65 | 14,419    
6 Feb 2013  #15
Political extremism??

The world's best known example.
Paulina 8 | 1,437    
  6 Feb 2013  #16
Many Poles pretend or maybe just dream that Poles have ``lot in common``
with Germanic people.

Vlad, I think you may have overdosed Ursa's translations ;)

I did not hear that Russians would pretend to have many common with Poles.Usually they claim it in regard Ukrainians and Belorussians

That's true, as far as I've noticed.

What do you think could unite them? And what disunited?

Vlad, wouldn't you prefer to discuss such matters with Poles on some Polish forum or blog? I've discussed these issues so many times and I've read so many discussions about this between Poles and Russians, Poles and Poles, Russians and Russians that I don't even have the strength to answer this...

Btw, jon357, do you have Russian roots or sth?
FlaglessPole 4 | 669    
6 Feb 2013  #17
Why would you start a thread reinforcing the old stereotypes?

exactly, what a moronic thread
Mykhaylo UA - | 56    
6 Feb 2013  #18
``lot in common``
with Germanic

It is interesting what you are writing about Poles dreaming to have a lot in common with Germans.
I have been many times (more than 20) to Poland, spoke a lot with people, read books and papers and --- failed to hear a thing like that. Poles are Poles and very proud to be Poles and have good reasons to be, - I have always thought and was wrong! So, there they are!

As far as I know, Russian people are very observant. But how do you know that: somebody said that to you, by behaviour, by reading thoughts, reading the mind in the eyes – I mean the very method.

Also, looking forward to reading your new interesting threads!
FlaglessPole 4 | 669    
  7 Feb 2013  #19
So do I, look forward to yet another thread by an aging red-scarf pioneer on: gee I wonder what the Germans are like 'coz what I see on TV ain't my cop of tea.. or for fook sake how old are you guys purely mentally speaking? - 5 year old ?

Since you so kindly frequent Polishforums how about you have a look at the map of Europe and if you're observant enough you may notice that Poland borders to Germany and she's been doing so for over a thousand years. Germans and German have always been a part the Polish society make-up. Even the ancient Polish capital Krakow had had a German majority for the good part of the Middle Ages.To this day Polish language has thousands of German words or derivatives of German words used on daily basis. As a Dane of partial Polish origin I've had a chance of being in and observing both societies and and so surprisingly considering the history and the geography I've noticed that in fact both have a lot in common, actually more than either side is willing to admit due their mutual prejudices ans so forth. Yet these similarities are quite easy to see for someone standing on the sidelines yet being, literally, able to understand both Poles and Germans. What it boils down is pure, simply logic: two societies coexisting for over 1000 years are bound to have a lot of things in common, duh. Not a dream my dear comrades (of the homo-sovieticus variety) but a reality.
jimborup 2 | 12    
7 Feb 2013  #20
I would be glad to hear mind of person who knows plenty of Germans personally and/or observed
their everyday culture and behaivour.

I've lived in Germany several times, I have a German mother and German family, and most of my friends in Europe are German.

Plus, another great thing about Germans: Schnitzel.
Mykhaylo UA - | 56    
7 Feb 2013  #21
moronic

Moronic?
I beg to disagree with you, strongly!!!!!

I think that here we have to do with rather unconventional idea of applying the Russian-Ukrainian pattern of relations to German-Polish relations.

The Russian-Ukrainian pattern, better known as “Velikorosy – Malorosy”, is not so univocal as it may appear - “Great Russians – Small Russians” – as there is another understanding of it on the horizon, namely “Great Russians – Undergrowns”, based on the meaning of the word “Maloros” as “malo ros = ros malo”, that is “an Undergrown”.

This pattern implies, as a result of historical development, superiority of everything that is Russian over Ukrainian including “looking from down to top”, usage of a better language (majority of Ukrainians prefer Russian, as they consider their own a “peasant” language – and may be partially right as the usage of Ukrainian had been forbidden for a certain period in Russia in many areas with the result – it is not as developed as Russian) etc, etc.

And this brave application of the pattern to German-Polish relations is interesting, I mean the very methodology, and it is based on historical realities. Just to name only few: both Poland and Ukraine were partitioned (Ukraine in the 17th century by Russia and Poland; Poland in the 18th century by Russia, Germany and Austria); recent events: Polish President: killed – Ukrainian President: poisoned.

So, let us consider in how far the application of this methodology is justified, and not just bluntly reject the brave and unconventional thought.
FlaglessPole 4 | 669    
7 Feb 2013  #22
hello there, it is you who wrote

It is interesting what you are writing about Poles dreamingto have a lot in common with Germans.

to which I am merely replying (well maybe not merely as I truly am annoyed by Vlad's stupidity of which he had made himself noticed quite a few times on this forum) that is not so much a dream but a reality for obvious and very logical reasons. There is no need to stick up for a moron just because he or she happens to be your compatriot. I have no problem calling out people on their bullshit regardless of their nationality. They can be Poles, Danes or Eskimos for all I care.. this is not Ukraine vs whoever, cheers.
Tim Bucknall 7 | 98    
7 Feb 2013  #23
Your histories are so intertwined like England & Ireland, theres so many Polish Surnames in Germany, and before '39 the reverse was also true.
its good that relations are so strong at the moment.
I think it shows real political maturity and courage that the authorities in Opole have made German an official language of the locality

as I've mentioned in other threads i have good German friends i find them easy to talk to, and a calming influence on me.

when i get wound up about some trivial post someone makes online, i can rely on my mate Jurgen to tell me to ignore it etc

i'm amazed that some English people born in the 60's still have a residual suspicion of Germans, which i assume they inherited from parents who fought in the war.

my Dad was born in 1938 but was never indoctrinated with that anti-German mindset possibly because his own father was a foundry/munitions worker and never fought. however their home town was bombed by the Germans.
ShortHairThug - | 1,103    
7 Feb 2013  #24
The Russian-Ukrainian pattern, better known as “Velikorosy – Malorosy”

The problem with this methodology is that as far as most Poles are concerned Russians are just that to us – Malorosy.

and it is based on historical realities

What realities? Don’t confuse the false illusion of grandeur as some successor of Byzantium, the lie they sold you as it being a third Rome combined with the overgrown body of a rebellious teenager who is lacking proper upbringing and someone around to guide him and mold him into a man, keeping his emotions in check until the time of mental maturity arises which is needed in order to take his proper place among his peers and be considered equal of their stature. Muscovites are just peasants that grew too big for their britches. Because of their quick rise to prominence through strength bulling is the only form of governorship they know, they have never show any sign of wisdom needed to consolidate their gains and keep it all as one cohesive unit but have been acting up ever since, therefore they shall remain to be so.
Mykhaylo UA - | 56    
7 Feb 2013  #25
bullshit

Hello!

With the greatest respect, but firstly: I think it’s too strong.

Secondly, we seem to have different approaches: Don’t you enjoy unexpected ideas, something out-of-the-way and fresh in its originality, for there may be something, which appears first not to be something we expect or have been used to but which in the long run is right although not in the sense of the rightness as generally accepted or in the spirit of the time but the rightness in itself?

Has your mind been zapped with admitting new bursts of creativity of persons who can’t wait to share original ideas and have this PF forum as an outlet – I think we must be grateful to be the first to hear THEM!!!!

For I think that truly original ideas come around about as often as a winning lottery ticket in your life!!!! So, let us get enthralled by the newness, call it strangeness but no stronger of the type WTF/BS etc, of this or other approach or methodology!!! Otherwise we are doomed to boredom and routine convetionality!!!
Radders 3 | 47    
7 Feb 2013  #26
Plus, another great thing about Germans: Schnitzel.

Uhm, schnitzel is Austrian. The relationship between the two nations means it's a bit like describing Guinness as an English beer ;)

I first knew Germany as a young subaltern posted to BAOR. Leading a squad through a live-fire training ground we came to a clearing to find it occupied by a large German family, all entirely naked, eating their lunch. Soon I came to know that Germans (a) think forests are mystical (b) like to take all their clothes off in them. Some places in Germany, you can't move for naked Germans. All very innocent and non-sexual.

Then there's the obsession with their faeces. All German toilets have an inspection shelf; once they've emptied their bowels, they like to take a good look at it before they flush. Sometimes they call their wife or husband in for a second opinion, or take a picture with their cellphones. I'll bet there are entire German websites devoted to the classification and typology of turds. They hate squat toilets where the turd disappears from view - maybe they feel they are being robbed.

Apart from the weird naked thing and the weird turd thing, they're generally good fun.
FlaglessPole 4 | 669    
7 Feb 2013  #27
Has your mind been zapped with admitting new bursts of creativity of persons who can’t wait to share original ideas and have this PF forum as an outlet – I think we must be grateful to be the first to hear THEM!!!!

Excuse me... what is so creative about statements, seemingly pertaining to sociology and anthropology, which are rooted in complete ignorance? How's that for creativity : the earth is flat, yay! - wow I think I need to lie down, I'm so overcome with creativity after this one...
Mykhaylo UA - | 56    
7 Feb 2013  #28
lie down

Do not lie down - too early, you may fall asleep and sleep till tomorrow morning!
Eat a Schnitzel instead, or a Bratwurst!
OP Vlad123 7 | 204    
  7 Feb 2013  #29
and so surprisingly considering the history and the geography I've noticed that in fact both have a lot in common, actually more than either side is willing to admit due their mutual prejudices ans so forth.

Very well.So could you detail it?What exactly they have lot in common?Usually, if person is eager to prove something he will provide lot of details and arguments.Why to avoid this interesting part?

Not a dream my dear comrades (of the homo-sovieticus variety) but a reality.

Why should I assume as a highest truth that this is reality?I do not know to much details which could prove it.
isthatu2 4 | 2,708    
7 Feb 2013  #30
The normal Tommy only had enough in his stomach, so he fought against the racist from the BUF in the riots of the Cable Street ..

Rubbish.....BUF there were not *racists* the BUF were anti war.
Most of its members were working class or struggling middle class who had fought in WW1 and did not want their sons to go and have to be killed fighting the sons of germans that they had come to see as just fellow victims of WW1.

The veterens of WW1 on both sides made efforts to not make the mistakes of the past,in the 30s there was a lot of british and german families making friendships and with that hoping to avoid another pointless war,so,when a few immigrants turned up in the country and started demanding britain stand against germany the BUF got very popular.


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