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What About The Poles In The Netherlands?


OP MareGaea 29 | 2,752
18 Sep 2010 #61
My friends are currently working in holland and are not very happy because they were promised Euro 5 an hour but they are paid only 3.21 Euro after tax + free accommodation (for 18 yrs old) and 4.01 Euros for others (without a room).

You didn't happen to forget that pay in NL is always mentioned before tax? So if these guys get 5 Euro/hr, they indeed will get sth of 4 Euros or less, given the fact that NL knows a taxation of about 33 to 37 per cent. And since it's including accomodation, they should not be complaining at all. They probably don't speak Dutch and since it's probably some low level job, it's like that. Actually, it's correct as 37 per cent of 5 Euro is 1,85. So they shouldn't complain at all. They are getting their 5 Euros. And besides, I don't believe that in Australia low level work like that will pay 20 bucks after tax.

Edit: Again, wages are always mentioned before tax in NL as they are in most countries in the world. Given the nature of their stay they pay 35.8 per cent, which makes sense.

>^..^<

M-G (coffee break)
Plastic Pole52 - | 67
19 Sep 2010 #62
It seems like slavery is alive and well in the old Europe.

Now it's all clear to me.Those working for slave wages are not Poles.You guys bash the wrong people.They are Australians pretending to be Poles.Now seriously ,I highly doubt what she says is true.It's hard for me to imagine anybody from Australia or even "poor" Poland would be working for Euro 3.21/h.I personally know 2 guys working in NL and one makes euro14/h (driver,delivers some cookies to the stores ,5 years on the job),the other one makes euro12/h (cutting grass on some high end golf course, he says Clarence Seedorf plays there,3 years on the job).Both wages are before taxes and accomodation.Neither is employed thru work agency (they already did their time for agencies and now are employed directly).Still, working thru agencies they claim they were making euros7-8/h (before tax and accomodation).Both speak ok English and some Dutch.

And besides, I don't believe that in Australia low level work like that will pay 20 bucks after tax.

Neither do I.
southern 75 | 7,096
19 Sep 2010 #63
This Australia must be excellent country since Aussie Stella lives in.
AussieSheila 5 | 75
19 Sep 2010 #64
minimum wage for such unskilled casual work in a transport, logistic and retail environment is $ 20.59 before taxes (such as stacking shelf, packing, loading, cleaning floors, check out chick, trolly collector etc) . The first $ 6000 is tax free and the rest are taxed at 15 cent per dollar up to $ 35,000. 18 yrs old get 70% of adult wage (21 yrs and over). My friend is NOT lying, this kind of abuse must stop!
sascha 1 | 826
19 Sep 2010 #65
Everything easter of Oder and below the Danube fits my purposes.

If you MUST choose one region , which would it be? ;-)
AussieSheila 5 | 75
3 Oct 2010 #66
I need urgent help regarding my friends.

They were made redundant from their jobs and kicked out of their accommodation and are sleeping rough in the forest. They cant find jobs without having a proper address, can anyone give some suggestion. Also if you know a cheap backpacker hostel somewhere near the big cities please let me know.
Wroclaw Boy
3 Oct 2010 #67
My friends are currently working in holland and are not very happy because they were promised Euro 5 an hour but they are paid only 3.21 Euro after tax + free accommodation (for 18 yrs old) and 4.01 Euros for others (without a room).

It seems like slavery is alive and well in the old Europe.

Sounds like your friends didnt do a very good job after all, hey??

They were made redundant from their jobs and kicked out of their accommodation and are sleeping rough in the forest.

I dont think any Poles are going to help you after the crap youve spouted on here, and most of the Dutch members are not around at the moment.
George8600 10 | 637
3 Oct 2010 #68
some Dutch can't even speak or write Dutch properly

I think thats when a country's language begins working against itself. I once met a Swede who claimed that many of their people didn't engage in literature of higher form because it wasn't pleasant to read or write.
Lyzko
13 Nov 2010 #69
That seems the height of political correctness. Swedes communicate more easily, not to mention effectively, in Swedish than in any other language. Whoever told you that must have been joking. I know that language fluently and can assure you that the Swedes think their English skills are much better than they actually are-:))
Levi 12 | 450
14 Nov 2015 #70
Merged: Only 2.1% of the Poles in Netherlands claim benefits

Interesting news: Among the main immigrant communities in Netherlands, by far the Poles are those that less claim benefits.

While 68.9% of the Somalis are on benefitis, only 2.1% of the poles depend of the government to survive.

That shows how benefitial for a country the polish immigration can be and how welcome they should be everywhere.



InPolska 11 | 1,821
14 Nov 2015 #71
sources? Some fascist sites?
Levi 12 | 450
14 Nov 2015 #72
No. The CENTRAL BUREAU OF STATISTICS FROM NETHERLANDS.

Does this looks like a fascist website for you?

cbs.nl/nl-NL/menu/themas/arbeid-sociale-zekerheid/publicaties/artikelen/archief/2015/zeven-van-de-tien-somaliers-in-de-bijstand.htm

It is really sad how you struggle to deal with the Reality and do everything to not see it, InPolska......

The reality is not your political correct world. It is a violent and dark place.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,671
14 Nov 2015 #73
anyway apart from anything else, it is true, in general Polish people are v hardworking and would definitely not like to rely on government handouts.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
14 Nov 2015 #74
There are quite a few sites, including but not only e-mama.pl in which a lot of Poles request info about how to get welfare money if moving to UK. I also know several Poles currently on welfare in France, including some Erasmus students who receive accommodation allowance ("allocation logement") from French State ("CAF") and I also know one Polish student who was refused a knee surgery in Poland because she could walk ;)and who went to France 6 years ago to have surgery + rehabilitacja" all free of charge - I know because I helped her to fill in the papers ;).
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,671
14 Nov 2015 #75
oh sure there will always be a few people happy to play the system, of course. Butin general, I think Polish people would rather just work.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
14 Nov 2015 #76
@Rozu: sure but maybe it would be better to compare Poles and other Europeans ;). Blacks and Muslims have a hell of a time to be hired because of racism and xenohobia from many employers (cf. my recent answer re France but of course it applies to ALL western countries).

It would be more interesting to compare the % of Poles on welfare and the % of Germans, French or Spaniards or even Hungarians on welfare in the Netherlands ;).
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,671
14 Nov 2015 #77
yes that would be a better comparison.
Ironside 48 | 9,888
14 Nov 2015 #78
Blacks and Muslims have a hell of a time to be hired because of racism and xenohobia from many employers

Maybe because they don't want to work if they can be supported by other people with blessing of Bolsheviks like yourself, the one who always is ready to bend backwoods to find or invent excuses for Blacks and Muslims, just because their are Black and Muslims. Your place is in the circus with all that gymnastic you practise just to stay in line with your ideological bias.

Reality is knocking at your door. We all know you can't hear it.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
14 Nov 2015 #79
Yes, Roz, of course better to compare Poles with for instance other Eastern Europeans (very unlikely too that other Western Europeans need welfare in NL ;)).
JanekP
14 Nov 2015 #80
That stat just prove that we can be labeled as the Somali of Europe 😢 sigh
JanekP
14 Nov 2015 #82
Polskie 😥

As we're the first European foreigner group to figure in that list

Also how many poles are there in the NL?

Guess not much more than. 100k
That's the number of poles officially residing in Italy, for example
Ironside 48 | 9,888
14 Nov 2015 #83
As we're the first European foreigner group to figure in that list

Fact is you are not Polish, so I though you are talking about people you belong to i.e. a group of creatures that traditionally dwell under bridges and other structures providing shade and water.
Lyzko 24 | 6,761
14 Nov 2015 #84
From which country then do you hail, JanekP?
JanekP
14 Nov 2015 #85
I'm polish although are years that I live and work in Italy, but ATM I'm in Poznan.
My family is from Owinska

What are these"facts" that make me not a pole?lol
Lyzko 24 | 6,761
14 Nov 2015 #86
Ironside's just trolling, that's all:-)
Ironside 48 | 9,888
14 Nov 2015 #87
What are these"facts" that make me not a pole?lol

The fact your Polish sucks for example.
Lyzko 24 | 6,761
14 Nov 2015 #88
Faulty language use is scarcely any reason to openly doubt the veracity of someone asserting their country of origin, Ironside!

By your logic, Lech Wałęsa must be a foreigner, as I've heard tell his (NATIVE!!!) Polish is nothing to write home about:-)
mafketis 21 | 7,448
15 Nov 2015 #89
Blacks and Muslims have a hell of a time to be hired because of racism and xenohobia

Three points.
Blacks and Muslims (for various reasons) tend to have .... less than stellar academic qualification.

French labor laws make it hard to fire people and this means employers are risk adverse. If French employment were loosened up somewhat maybe more would take a risk.

There's also the problem that if you hire a muslim at some point they're liable to cause trouble about they way they or others dress or people keeping pork in the communal fridge or pig figurines on their desk or want a reduced schedule for Ramadan etc (these are all real cases)
InPolska 11 | 1,821
15 Nov 2015 #90
@Maf; What to do with Poles in Holland? I understand and I know that you don't know anything in France. Religion is considered only as a private matter in France (no public financing, no religion at school, no religious signs in any public building ...) is also forbidden at work either so hardly unlikely to keep "pig (?) figurines" on one's desk.

Nevermind, no need to talk with bashers who of course have no knowledge whatsoever of topic.


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