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Some November afternoon in Warsaw... Poland Solidarity with France


InPolska 11 | 1,821
15 Nov 2015 #1
Earlier today I went to French embassy to sign register of condoleances. Inspite of very bad (rainy and cold) weather, there were a lot of people, huge lines, TV stations, including TVN... I was amazed, a lof of Poles came, both women and men, all ages, all walks of life, some could have some personal relationships with France but most probably did not, they were just p..sed and felt solidarity... Fortunately, real life Poles are most often very different from a lot of those met on the net, including PF ;). There were also foreigners, including just in front of me, some Russians, a Japanese couple and also (most interesting to me) a young Algerian. When the guy understood that I spoke French, he started to talk to me and I asked him where he was from. He told me from Algeria but he meant to show up at embassy and sign register because 1. France was the target 2. he had 2 (Muslim Algerian friends who as musicians played on Friday at Bataclan Theater in Paris and were shot dead by the terrorists (he reminded me that Muslims are by very far the no.1 victims of islamists, which I knew) and 3. to show that as a (moderate) Muslim he had nothing to do whatsoever with islamists. He told me that when he says that he is ... Muslim, people tell him "no, you can't be, you are .... normal" (....) and yes, because ignorants believe that all Muslims are dangerous terrorists... He also told me that he really liked yesterday Marine Le Pen's speech in which she clearly states that we all need to eradicate "fundamentalist islamism", which we all can agree to, including moderate Muslims who are of course (pure common sense but too hard for fascists to understand) respectable citizens and respect the laws of their countries of residence. Now, we know more about Friday's victims and of course a lof of Muslims, Jews, Blacks, or whatever you can think of were among them. Terrorists shoot at anyone.

Well, the Polish people have responded with compassion and solidarity. Thank you!

PS: no need for the fascists to vomit their racism and their lack of compassion to innocent victims.
dolnoslask
15 Nov 2015 #2
I am sorry for France, my thoughts and prayers are with the french people today, I am glad you were able to sign the book of condolences today, Vive la France

today.
Niko
15 Nov 2015 #3
Same in Moscow, a very touching video:

youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nIwHMJmOe1Q
OP InPolska 11 | 1,821
15 Nov 2015 #4
Yes, you guys! :) "Fluctuat nec mergitur" ("tossed but not sunk") as per motto of Paris.
dolnoslask
15 Nov 2015 #5
Nice video Nico, I hope that these acts of remembrance will help bond peoples of all nations, and send a message to all extremists that they will not succeed
OP InPolska 11 | 1,821
15 Nov 2015 #6
Yes, very nice, but in fact, I'm not surprised because all NORMAL people have compassion for others in misery. Only monsters don't feel anything for their fellow human beings...
dolnoslask
15 Nov 2015 #7
The monsters are in the minority, It is up to the rest of us to keep them there. the saying i "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"

there are good men/women, Poland stands with France today
OP InPolska 11 | 1,821
15 Nov 2015 #8
Yes, monsters are a tiny minority and so are islamists among the whole Muslim population but unfortunately minorities are often too loud...
milky 13 | 1,657
15 Nov 2015 #9
he really liked yesterday Marine Le Pen's speech

Let's hope these Islamo-fascist don't push normal people into supporting Le Pen's Fascist party.
Because, then the terrorist and their financial allies will have succeeded.
OP InPolska 11 | 1,821
15 Nov 2015 #10
@Milky: too late! Islamists + EU + Euro + refugees = victory for Le Pen on a silver platter. "normal" parties are so dumb and incompetent that they help LP (or they do it on purpose... I often Wonder).
dolnoslask
15 Nov 2015 #11
What has sad today, is how few people on this forum have taken a moment to add some words of empathy to this thread.
OP InPolska 11 | 1,821
15 Nov 2015 #12
@Dolno: my goal was to say that a lot of Poles of all ages, all conditions have reacted with compassion and in a civilized way and also to talk about the young Algerian guy I met at the embassy, whose 2 (muslim too) friends were killed last Friday by terrorists to explain to ignorants (quite a few in PF ;)) that Muslim is not synonym of islamist and ... NOTHING else!

The whole word has reacted and showed sincere solidarity so much the better but otherwise, no "big deal". It is not in our culture to whine around ...

I do know there a quite a few great people on this forum (I have already met one of them) but I would be shocked and humiliated to be approached by fascists, who are no doubt about it, the same garbage as islamists and other semi literate tabloid scum readers full of ignorance and of hatred... I am too proud not to be one of them ;).

Thanks a million, Dolno, but please no harm done ;).

I have heard an African president saying today "if one innocent person is killed, the whole mankind is killed"...
kaz200972 2 | 229
15 Nov 2015 #13
@In Polska
Firstly I hope that none of your family or friends have been hurt in the Paris incidents.
I'm afraid that the support for Le Pen is rapidly increasing. My brother who lives in Paris; often complains about the number of people who like Le Pen and the few people he spoke to today were rambling on about the need for change!!

Sadly I have noticed a massive increase in support for NOP amongst the Poles that live in my area. Poles I know, who had never spoken about politics in years, were posting anti immigrant memes on FB today.
dolnoslask
15 Nov 2015 #14
My fingers slipped on the keyboard I meant to say is what made me sad today'

my dad (Who went through wwII) once said to me when I was very young, that people would forget the errors of the past and make the same mistakes again, I didn't understand what he meant then, but I do now.
Dougpol1 32 | 2,673
15 Nov 2015 #16
Well done Inpolska. You must be choking up, but feeling very proud of your heritage today.
Something that Poles are going to be lacking with this government I fear, like I do with the government in my country. You are winners, and will come through.
Yosemite 2 | 88
15 Nov 2015 #17
the media is absolutely nailing this one. Great job.

Lets not talk about the real reasons of how ISIS exist at all, ohh no, that would be bad for business. People die by the thousand everyday from structural violence, but lets not talk about that either. Lets not talk about the (capitalsim casued) Indonesian fires pumping out pollution levels equivalent to Germanys total annual Co2 emmisions within days. Terrorism is a great seller.

Ive been away for a few days so missed all this. Frankly im utterly devestated by Ronda Rousey being so brutally knocked out by Holly Holm yesterday. That really p1ssed me off.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
15 Nov 2015 #18
Ive been away for a few days so missed all this, frankly im utterly devestated at Ronda Rousey being so brutally knocked out by Holly Holm yesterday. That really p1ssed me off.

Is it just me, or did it look like Rousey had fallen to the same thing that Lennox Lewis did before the Lewis-Rahman I fight? She didn't look to be in shape at all, whereas Holm looked to be bigger and stronger even though there's only an inch between them.

the media is absolutely nailing this one. Great job.

Don't look at the German media...
OP InPolska 11 | 1,821
15 Nov 2015 #19
As in Paris "Fluctuat nec mergitur" ("tossed but not sunk") or the kids now to terrorists "Même pas peur" ("not even scarred"). Thanks you guys but as I said I just wanted to say what I saw this pm and nothing else. We are a strong and we know it and also very proud (some say "arrogant", nie wiem) and don't need to cry around.
dolnoslask
15 Nov 2015 #20
Mods how can you possibly throw this into "Some November afternoon in Warsaw... Poland Solidarity with France"

This is a polish forum I am Polish, I am standing in solidarity with this poster who took time to go to the french embassy to sign a book of condolence.

This is topic important to both Poland and France. Shame on you .

some postings may be off this topic, but there is no excuse for you to do this.

Edit why throw this into the off topic bin.
johnny reb 31 | 6,245
16 Nov 2015 #21
Yes, monsters are a tiny minority and so are islamists among the whole Muslim population

Who are you trying to convince that is a true statement as you keep repeating it ?
I see the French military retaliated already by dropping twenty bombs on an ISIS strong hold.
I like seeing NATO allies start stepping up their support for the cause.

Frankly im utterly devestated by Ronda Rousey being so brutally knocked out by Holly Holm yesterday. That really p1ssed me off.

Me too big guy.
Rousey came out and bloodied Holm's nose in the first round and I thought here we go again.
Rousey attempted to dominate the second round, pushing Holm around the ring until the challenger snapped a massive kick to the head that instantly dropped her opponent to the canvas.

Holm's did nail her with a good one for sure.
No concussion but Rousey is now suffering from depression because of losing.
The bookies took major hits with one guy walking away with $240,000 on his bet.
A rematch is already being talked about which is only fair.
Yosemite 2 | 88
16 Nov 2015 #22
Holm fought at a distance and commanded the fight right from the start, her counter punches and kicks were very effective. Ronda looked beat within about 3 minutes i would say. Holm fought an excellent fight and you could see that she definitely did her home work and stuck to her game plan. Rondas wins almost exclusively come from floor work, mainly the arm lock, she couldnt get close to Holm, Holm being an already accomplished boxer and martial artist utilised her strong points to win. Ronda was also well out of shape, she needed to stop chasing and let Holm come at her.

I remember thinking i wonder what would happen if somebody could keep Ronda at a distance, and thats what we saw here. I might even go as far as to say she was psyched out by Holm at the wigh in.
Paulina 12 | 2,229
16 Nov 2015 #23
Fortunately, real life Poles are most often very different from a lot of those met on the net, including PF ;).

One does not need to have a personal relationship with France to be shocked and horrified by what happened, I assure you...
Me and other Poles I know stayed up late watching the news on Friday night... I still have tears in my eyes from time to time when I hear the accounts of those who survived that carnage. I was touched when French fans were singing La Marseillaise when they were being evacuated out of the stadium and I'm not even French...

What has sad today, is how few people on this forum have taken a moment to add some words of empathy to this thread.

Well, I can't speak for others, but I haven't been reading or writing on this forum lately and, to be honest, I came here today only to express my condolences since I remembered that there were some people from France on PF... I spent greater part of the weekend glued to the TV watching the news...

Our thoughts and prayers are with the French people. Stay strong!

Warsaw

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Btw, I'm sorry, but in my personal opinion this guy's reaction is... I don't know how to put it even...:
nypost.com/2015/11/14/charlie-hebdo-cartoonist-doesnt-want-you-to-pray-for-paris/
;/

Who is he to say something like that on behalf of all the Parisians or French people in general? Or maybe his compatriots share his sentiment? It made me feel as if the prayers of religious people praying for people of Paris and France in this difficult time are somehow unworthy and unwanted by them ;/ Are they really?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
16 Nov 2015 #24
In a sense, they've got a point - religion is causing all this carnage in the first place, so more religion is the least of what they want.

Bear in mind though that Charlie Hebdo is very left wing and regards religion as being nonsense.
Paulina 12 | 2,229
16 Nov 2015 #25
In a sense, they've got a point - religion is causing all this carnage in the first place, so more religion is the least of what they want.

Wait, say that again...? Islam is causing this and not psychopaths using religion to their own twisted, psychotic purposes? It's a bit as if I were saying that atheism was causing all the carnage done by bolsheviks, stalinists, maoists, etc. Hmm, I wonder what InPolska has to say about this as a Frenchwoman...

And for religious people it's a way they show they care, their solidarity, etc. - it's not like they're somehow introducing "more religion" into that one man's life, ffs. It's just a simple gesture from the bottom of their hearts.

Bear in mind though that Charlie Hebdo is very left wing and regards religion as being nonsense.

Of course, I know that, but don't you think that displaying such attitude at such moment is a bit inconsiderate? What if there were religious people among those that were killed? Does he have the right to speak on behalf of them and their families? I wonder - do all the French people share his sentiment?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
16 Nov 2015 #26
Islam is causing this and not psychopaths using religion to their own twisted, psychotic purposes?

Well, Communism is a religion too, is it not? There's just something about humanity that makes a religion out of anything and then uses it to persecute others.

It's a bit OT, but I was shocked recently to discover that even Buddhists have been taking part in violence towards Muslims.

Of course, I know that, but don't you think that displaying such attitude at such moment is a bit inconsiderate?

Well, being inconsiderate and hurtful is part of their raison d'etre :) In a sense, I'm glad that Charlie Hebdo didn't do anything other than remain their usual mocking self.
Paulina 12 | 2,229
16 Nov 2015 #27
Well, Communism is a religion too, is it not?

Religions, ideologies, fanaticism of all kinds, greed, hunger for power, etc. - it's human nature causing all kind of carnage in the world.

It's a bit OT, but I was shocked recently to discover that even Buddhists have been taking part in violence towards Muslims.

I wasn't. That's a point I was trying to make for years on this forum - people are pretty much the same everywhere and with the right circumstances they turn into animals/monsters/you name it.

In a sense, I'm glad that Charlie Hebdo didn't do anything other than remain their usual mocking self.

Well, I guess I just hope other French people aren't as asswholeish as that guy is o_O
Yosemite 2 | 88
16 Nov 2015 #28
One does not need to have a personal relationship with France to be shocked and horrified by what happened

Absolutely, effective media campaigns can have people rioting in the streets over pretty much anything they want.

Islam is causing this and not psychopaths using religion to their own twisted, psychotic purposes?

Thats what the media is brainwashing you to believe, truth is that religious extremism has always and still exits in most religions. Some more than others.

It's a bit as if I were saying that atheism was causing all the carnage done by bolsheviks, stalinists, maoists, etc

Not really those were resource wars, like most wars are.
Paulina 12 | 2,229
16 Nov 2015 #29
Absolutely, effective media campaigns can have people rioting in the streets over pretty much anything they want.

Yes, WB, effective media campaigns made me have human feelings about the death, pain and fear of other human beings :) I wouldn't have them otherwise. You're spot on :P

truth is that religious extremism has always and still exits in most religions. Some more than others.

The truth is that political extremism has always and still exits in most political ideologies/systems. Some more than others ;)

Not really those were resource wars, like most wars are.

Ah, wait a minute, so are you saying that ideological wars weren't really about ideologies, but about resources? At the same time, in your mind, religious wars weren't really about power, land, recources, but about... religion, yes? :))
johnny reb 31 | 6,245
16 Nov 2015 #30
Picture of the master mind of the Paris attack.

msn.com/en-us/news/world/reports-suspected-mastermind-of-paris-attacks-identified/ar-BBn3wuD?li=AAa0dzB&ocid=U348DHP


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