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More technology, but less common sense in Poland - Rydzyk?


Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
13 Jul 2013 #1
'We have greater possiibltiies but less time and more academic titles but less common sense, more knowledge but fewer healthy evaluations. We are multiplying our assets but trimming away our values. We learn how to make money but not how to live. We have stable buildings but weak characters. We are creating more and more computers and storing more and more information but we talk to each other less and less.'

What say ye PF-ers one and all?
polskieradio.pl/9/396/Artykul/886197,Dokad-zmierza-nasze-zycie-Wzorujac-sie-na-innych-przestanmy-wzorowac-sie-na-innycho
sobieski 107 | 2,128
13 Jul 2013 #2
He is of course an excellent example of this. Speaking of how to shoot in one's own foot.
Harry
13 Jul 2013 #3
What say ye PF-ers one and all?

If Father Maybach thinks that there are too many academic titles, he can help by closing that joke of a college he makes money from.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
13 Jul 2013 #4
Only your sidekick Harry replied to this thread. You chose to reply in another Father Rydzak thread, prpobably to find a pretext to call the original poster names. There were two Rydzyk threads today -- he is a prominent enough perosnnage to deserve more than one measly thread.
Wroclaw 44 | 5,385
13 Jul 2013 #5
actually i was tempted to merge them.

we all being equal makes Rydzyk no more important than anyone else.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
13 Jul 2013 #6
Might I suggest a general "Polonius reports on the sayings of Rydzyk" thread?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
13 Jul 2013 #7
How many PF-ers have ever watched TV Trwam? If so, once for 1 minutee or so. Occasionally. More or less regularly?
pawian 176 | 15,395
13 Jul 2013 #8
Never because I don`t watch TV at all.

PS. 2 hours a month is never, right?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
14 Jul 2013 #9
If you watch Trwam 2 hrs a month, that would be occasionally.
pawian 176 | 15,395
14 Jul 2013 #10
No, I only watch the regime evening news for two hours per month.. :):):)

Sorry.... :)
jon357 67 | 16,921
14 Jul 2013 #11
Television is the opiate of the masses.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
14 Jul 2013 #12
jon357
But have you ever watched TV Trwam? Or are you among those PF-ers who lead a sheltered life and interact only with like-thinking yuppy-PC circles rather than experiencing the full, multi-faceted Poland?
jon357 67 | 16,921
14 Jul 2013 #13
That looks like some weird set of slogans. I have indeed watched TV Trwam and it is an opiate par excellence. I remember when they were doing that illegal thing with the cable platform (more technology, less sense) for which they were heavily censured, which meant they kept appearing on all the unused cable frequencies in Warsaw. Until of course they were stopped and had to start behaving like all the other TV companies - a thing which does not come naturally to them. A soporific TV station.

So, Pol3 .Do you watch it yourself? And do you interact with

thinking yuppy-PC circles

in order to experience

the full, multi-faceted Poland

???
sobieski 107 | 2,128
14 Jul 2013 #14
the full, multi-faceted Poland?

He wouldn't know what a multi-faceted Poland is, even when it would bite him.
His idea of this is Rydzak in Częstochowa. Btw I wonder what trick that guy will have in his sleeve now, to get money out of the pockets of his followers. A crusade against the Grand Master of the Freemasons perhaps?

who lead a sheltered life

Please clarify.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
14 Jul 2013 #15
a multi-faceted Poland

Just be being on PF everyone knows what the PC/libertine facet is like. Everyone is bombarded with their buzzwords, prejudices, biases and taboos round the clock.
sobieski 107 | 2,128
14 Jul 2013 #16
who lead a sheltered life

Explanation?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
14 Jul 2013 #17
Anyone who interacts only or mainly with a small minority group of agnostic PC-supporting yuppies, but has limited contacts with the majority of Poles who are Catholics and do not bend to the dictates of PC rule, is by definition sheltered. Functioning primarily in an expat ghetto does not expose a person to the real country, be it Costa Rica or Iceland.
jon357 67 | 16,921
14 Jul 2013 #18
@Pol3, you may have missed the question, do you watch it yourself? And do you interact with

thinking yuppy-PC circles

in order to experience

the full, multi-faceted Poland???

OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
14 Jul 2013 #19
While channel-flipping I run across Trwam and if it looks to be interesting I may watch a bit. I do the same with TVP, TVN, CNN, Religia.pl. even RT. By being on PF I have to interact with a disproportionately large pro-PC faction which is but a niche in greater Polish society. And thank God for that! One sometimes wonders why Pole-bashing expats stay in a coutnry they hate so much when there is Holland and other 'progressive' countries which would welcome them with open arms.
jon357 67 | 16,921
14 Jul 2013 #20
One sometimes wonders why Pole-bashing expats

I don't think there are many expats here. Nore is there any Pole-bashing, unless you consider criticism of your eccentric and outspokenly fascistic views to be bashing.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
14 Jul 2013 #21
Define fascism. You seem to equate it with Catholicism.
jon357 67 | 16,921
14 Jul 2013 #22
I think that's a Freudian slip on your part, but there we go.

Fascism is notoriously difficult to define, however Umberto Eco's definition is as good as any. Recognise anyone?

Eternal Fascism: Fourteen Ways of Looking at a Blackshirt
1. The first feature of Ur-Fascism is the cult of tradition.
Traditionalism is of course much older than fascism. Not only was it typical of counterrevolutionary Catholic thought after the French revolution, but is was born in the late Hellenistic era, as a reaction to classical Greek rationalism.

Eternal Fascism: Fourteen Ways of Looking at a Blackshirt, Umberto Eco
sobieski 107 | 2,128
14 Jul 2013 #23
Hmmm, all my friends (ok maybe two are not) and colleagues at work are Polish. But strangely enough, none of them describe to your mentality. They all think Rydzak is a common swindler. In all cases the female partner is building her own career. They all have to be therefore expats in disguise :).
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
14 Jul 2013 #24
No, but if they are all like-thinking regardless of their nationality // copycat Poles brainwashed into thinking that modernity means obeying the PC dictatorship or expats // then such a person is sheltering himself from the majority of Poles who are not atheists or PC fanatics.

PF PLEASE IGNORE THE FOLLOWING (which concerns an IT matter): Zmiana nast[piëa w poëowie zdania: like-thinking byëo OK, ale nast{pnie -- wyszëo jak //.
sobieski 107 | 2,128
14 Jul 2013 #25
he majority of Poles who are not atheists or PC fanatics.

The majority of Poles think Rydzak is an idiot.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
14 Jul 2013 #26
Another very transparent ruse typical of the poster. Unable to dispute the fact that the majority of Poles are not atheists or PC fanatics, he brings in what he claims to be the majority view of Rydzyk. Someone who doesn't follow the board too closely might conclude that yours truly had said 'a majority of Poles support Rydzyk.'

The curve balls and red herrings have become plainly transparent for all to see. If you can't rebuff an argument, then sidetrack it and confuse the issue.
InWroclaw 89 | 1,915
14 Jul 2013 #27
Television is the opiate of the masses.

Just tuned in to TV Twram, as you may know there is some sort of festival or pilgrimage for Radio Maryja at somewhere near this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Madonna_of_Cz%C4%99stochowa

Quite a big crowd, looks a bit like Glasto.

TV Trwam played out a recorded video message from the current pope sending good wishes to the people at the RM festival. He specifically said that, there must be a link somewhere if you disbelieve me.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
14 Jul 2013 #28
They are holding their annual RM/Trwam pilgrimage to the Sanctuary of the Black Madonna at Częstochowa's Jasna Góra Monastery, Poland's most sacred Catholic shrine.

PiS leader Jarosław Kaczyński addressed the RM pilgrimage saying (I heard it on TV Twam): There is no Poland without the Church. Without the Church our nation is threatened by nihlists... Faith and reason are our countrr'ys only salvaiton... Here we are gathered in a body but out there (back home?) a great deal of work remains to be done... (More or less along those lines -- that was before dinner so I have only roughly paraprhased it.)
jon357 67 | 16,921
14 Jul 2013 #29
Just tuned in to TV Twram

Do you watch it often? I remember you saying you'd listened to Radio Maryja!

Not sure how praising a fringe religious group like the Family of Radio Maryja is technology, however since they're now on TV and the internet, it really is a case of

More technology, but less common sense – Rydzyk?

OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
14 Jul 2013 #30
Those waiting with baited bretath for the actual words of our dear PiS leader, here they are as translated by Google:

There is no Polish without the Church, because the Church is Poland's only possessor of the value system that Poles know. Those who want to destroy the church, who reject the system in different ways, and now it's trying to do in the nursery, you have to offer only nihilism, and thus reject everything that regulates civilized relations between people. Again, this is the path to destruction of our culture, the destruction of our nation. In any case, we can not agree to this. In the name of faith, but also in the name of reason. In the name of concern for the future of our nation.

radiomaryja.pl/informacje/xxi-pielgrzymka-rodziny-radia-maryja-na-jasna-gore-5


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