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Poland's resentful and frustrated poor losers' camp still at it


Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
5 Sep 2016 #1
A total of 234 MPs voted today against the move to strip Sejm Marshal (speaker) Kuchciński of his duties, with 169 voting in favour and 28 abstaining. The motion for the resignation of Marek Kuchciński from his position as speaker was filed by the opposition Civic Platform (PO) party.

And this wasn't the first time. Although they lack the votes to carry this out, they have repeatedly called for no-confidence votes in different govt ministers, as a sterile political dmeonstation tghat has wasted the taxpayer's money by launching long.windewd by ultiamtely pointless debates.

Every occasion the slam the govt and make the news including the 70-year-late funeral of anti-communist freedom-fighters Inka and Zagończyk. Accursed soldiers and patriotic memorial masses are not the KOD's preferred ambience, so when they turned up waving KOD banners outside the basilica and loudly chanting"de-mo-kra-cja" during the funeral mass, it was obvious their behaviour had nothing to do with the occasion and was intended as a provocation. Kijowski's sidekick displayed a bandaged hand, initially claiming he was hurt by political opponents outside the basilica. When witnesses saw he had already come to the basilica with the bandage, he was forced to explain he had actually injured his hand at a (most likely tipple-laced) party. Kijowski is also calling for the creation of a Polish "underground state" to combat the ruling PiS administration.

With TV cameras whirring when Duda came up and offered Wałęsa the sign of peace during a Solidarity anniversary mass, the ex-president had no choice but to accept and shake Duda's hand. But soon thereafter he threatended to put Duda on trial before na internaitonal court if he didn't apologise for referring to him as a commie-era secret police informer.

And a bunch of Rzeplińskis crony judges gathered (befittingly) in the Palace of Culture to discuss judicial matters, but failed to explain why court proceedings are so bureacratised, take so long and are so people-unfriendly. Instead, the gathering turned into an anti-PiS hate rally where judges set themselves above other branches of government and claimed no-one had the right to assess or criticise their behaviour or performance. The only major profession that did not undergo Poland's lacklustre "lustracja", judicial circles are among the country's communities with the most PRL-era ties and pro-communist rulings to their record. Although the judges claim to be unbiased, non-partisan and apolitical, their conference attracted the most vicious anti-government polticians representing PO, .N and KOD.
mafketis 23 | 8,445
5 Sep 2016 #2
A total of 234 MPs voted today

For rule of party leader! Long live the glorious leader of the glorious party!
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
5 Sep 2016 #3
glorious leader

After the losers one after the other took the floor to say what a sh*t the Marshal of the Sejm was and took swipes at Kaczyński along the way. Jarek finally took the floor and said: "It looked like they wanted to remove not Kuchciński but me." Very poignant message, because as a rank-and-file MP Kaczyński cannot be removed unless he committed some capital crime like murdering his cat or the "cat-burner" (Palikot). Yes, the losers constantly have to find other scapegoats for their hysteria and hate industry, because K. is untouchable.

They constantly complain that K. is governing from the backseat, but there is no law or rule against that. We can all just see Wałęsa taking Duda to the World Court over the widespread conviction that he signed on to become an SB informer! And Kijowski's new Underground Poland should be called not Polska Walcząca, but Polska Uwłaczająca!
Harry
5 Sep 2016 #4
because K. is untouchable.

He most certainly is no such thing. And when his immunity is gone, along with those of his puppets and they've been given plea bargains for their crimes in exchange for their testimony against the man who ordered them to commit those crimes, then the vile little man will be put in the cell he wasn't worth putting in when the right sort of Poles were fighting against the regime that he signed up to prosecute freedom fighters for.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
6 Sep 2016 #5
signed up to prosecute freedom fighters for.

More Harryesque bollocks! And here we all thought you had finally got a richly deserved life-long suspension or, better yet, expulsion. It was so pleasant around here, meaningful discussion was briefly possible. Delph has reincarnated as "Dreamergirl" and carried on with his tasteless antics, and then you turned up again with your broken-record obsessions.

By the way, when K. he signed up to prosecute freedom fighters, did he get a formerly state-owned cat at a knock-down price? (LOL!)

Polska Walcząca, but Polska Uwłaczająca!

For the benefit of Harry and other pidgin Polish illiterates: Not Fighting Poland but Slanderous Poland.
mafketis 23 | 8,445
6 Sep 2016 #6
Kaczyński cannot be removed unless he committed some capital crime like murdering his cat

... or brother........
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
6 Sep 2016 #7
or brother

Nasty, nasty!!!
mafketis 23 | 8,445
6 Sep 2016 #8
Or simply looking at who's benefitted from the removal of the more conciliatory and slightly more level headed of the brothers? It certainly hasn't been Komorowski or Tusk or Putin or anyone that gets mud thrown at them about Smolensk. And family members are normally prime suspects....

I'm not saying anything about who I think is responsible, but I tend to suspect people who bleat the loudest about an issue and what party is doing the loudest bleating?
Harry
6 Sep 2016 #9
More Harryesque bollocks!

Interesting that you respond to historical fact with personal abuse. But nothing you can say will change the fact that Kaczynski volunteered to prosecute dissidents during the commie era: that's just a fact. Of course, he's not the only member of the 18% regime who did that, but he's the one that prosecutors in free Poland will be most interested in when this night finally ends.

what party is doing the loudest bleating?

It would be amusing, were it not for all of the innocent people who lost their lives due to the idiocy and arrogance that characterises PIS.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
6 Sep 2016 #10
loudest bleating?

In general, the loudest bleating, grumbling, griping, nitpicking, slandering and overall badmouthing is being done by the poor losders' camp. It may be annoying at times to Poland's first post-1989 democratically elected majrotiy government, but they are calmly and consistently implementing good changes one by one.

volunteered to prosecute dissidents

Another broken record obsession, but you have never posted a single reliable link. Unless you again are stretch things to mean that everyone in a postion of some authority in PRL puppet Poland had to function within structures created by Soviet stooges. That applied to academics, jorunalists, writers and especially judges and prosecutors. It therefore encompassed 99% of KOD, PO and Petru folks who had achieved the age of majority in puppet Poland.
Harry
6 Sep 2016 #11
you have never posted a single reliable link.

Here you go, good luck arguing Rzeczpospolita isn't reliable when it comes to writing puff-pieces about PIS
rp.pl/artykul/486703-Od-Zoliborza-do-stoczni.html

they are calmly and consistently implementing good changes one by one.

Have they worked out how to pay for any of those changes yet?
mafketis 23 | 8,445
6 Sep 2016 #12
due to the idiocy and arrogance that characterises PIS.

Well yes. Turning what in the best possible light was the predictable result of a bunch of bumblers' poor planning into some kind of martyrdom is in very poor taste. If there was foul play involved I'm convinced it was coming from those bleating now about what a tragedy it was....

Have they worked out how to pay for any of those changes yet?

Magical unicorns who sh1t golden nuggets? It makes as much sense as anything else they say economically.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
6 Sep 2016 #13
Rzeczpospolita

It's an excerpt form a book and too much reading kust now. Just give the pertinent sentences or paragraph.

the idiocy and arrogance

The arrogance was on the part of the Slavic Laurle & Hardy act -- Tusk & Putin. The Russian Hitler was absolutely opposed to Poland's democratically elected head of state taking part and toady Tusk did everything to shame, ridicule nad discourage Kaczyński. When he saw that wouldn't work, he tried to take centre stage with Putin and relegate the presidential flight to sideshow or also-ran status. One of his stooges in charge of organising the flight picked up on the boss's vibes and is now on trial for neglect of duty.
mafketis 23 | 8,445
6 Sep 2016 #14
relegate the presidential flight to sideshow or also-ran status

The flight as planned was treating Katyń as a sideshow or also-ran in the president's itenerary. If it was worth going to then do it right by flying into a real airport and proceed by car (or take a train). Don't just fly in (especially by a president with a proven history of poor judgement about safe conditions) and fly out.

And whatever you do don't put all the heads of military on a single plane. Whoever planned and/or allowed that should be in prison (if they're still alive).
gumishu 11 | 5,241
6 Sep 2016 #15
Whoever planned and/or allowed that should be in prison

you must know Polish administrative law very well indeed
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
6 Sep 2016 #16
Have they worked out how to pay for any of those changes yet?

The govt is working to balance things off by finding new sources of revenue (eg retail tax on big retail chains and eliminating loopholes facilitating tax evasion) to finance welfare programmes. The World Bank has praised 500+ for stimulating consumption which generates demand, news jobs and overall GDP growth. Aside from the purely economic aspects, to me more important is the fact that many kids went on holiday with their families, attended a summer camp or actually saw the sea or mountains for the first time in their lives. Of course, that wouldn't interest a hard-noser like yourself. Maximum yield, investment returns, dividends and profits are all that counts, innit?

PiS passing round sweets and ice-cream to ordinary Poles is still far better than PO handing out goodies and privileges to the already indecently and usually dishonestly wealthy and overprivileged!

New forget it will take some time to undo the economic vassaldom imposed on Poland by the Tuskutes and theri predecessors. As a result, the vast majrotiy of Poland's large retail chains, major manufacturing plants and banks are ownbed by reps of the foreign-interest groups the Tuskites and their post-commie predecessors had catered to with tax breaks, tender fixing and other under-the-coutner settlemetns in exhcnage for kickbacks. No wonder that crowd (PO, KOD, Petru) are ranting, fuming and foaming at the mouth to bring back the lucrative pre-2016 status quo. But it will never return!
cms 9 | 1,271
6 Sep 2016 #17
Well I hope those kids enjoyed their holidays because they will be paying for this deficit well into middle age.

The gap to fill is PLN 20bn - the retail tax is PLN 2bn and in any case probably going to be disallowed by the EU (rightly or wrongly). Tax evasion controls might add another PLN 4-5bn but that is still going to leave huge unfunded amounts.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
6 Sep 2016 #18
Whoever planned and/or allowed that

If so, that's good news. Tusk, Arabski and a few other of his stooges will spend some time at an all-expenses-paid state health resort. When you vist them, bring a cake with a file inside!

But you're right. It was a disgrace. A disused, decommissioned and effectively abandoned airfield whose control "tower" was a ground-level shed. Following the crash, someone used a cellphone to shoot scenes of workers hurriedly screwing in landing lights along the air strip which had all burnt out.

disallowed by the EU

This is typical of the destructive criticism of the frustrated and desperate KOD camp. (I'm not surprised at their resentment when the whole bottom has fallen out of their formerly cushy lives!)

But just finding fault is nitpiccng and only generates more rancor and antagonism. If you had said: existing revenue sources are insufficient to balance the social spending, but Morawiecki might look into......... or try to ......... That would be construcutive criticism. That is the only attitude that befits sympathetic observers of the Polish scene, don't you think?
mafketis 23 | 8,445
7 Sep 2016 #19
But just finding fault is nitpiccng and only generates more rancor and antagonism

You are literaly the last person on this forum who has any business complaining about rancor and antagonism.

Morawiecki might look into......... or try to .........

He might try to talk some financial sense into the economic illiterates running the party he's attached himself to. Or he could try to find a party with a better grasp of economic reality.

Constructive and helpful enough fer ya?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
7 Sep 2016 #20
find a party with a better grasp

You mean stranglehold on the Polish economy like that of the Michnik/ex-PZPR clique that has milked Poland for what it is worth since 1989 and is now desperate to restore that lucrative and comfy status quo. No such luck, Charlie! They are fast becoming history. Time moves on as does the nation under the pro-Polish, people-friendyl PiS party!
mafketis 23 | 8,445
7 Sep 2016 #21
the Michnik/ex-PZPR clique that has milked Poland for what it is worth since 1989

squeeze them udders! Squeeeeeeze!

Time moves on

Coming from a PiS supporter that's the funniest line today!
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
7 Sep 2016 #22
a PiS supporter that's the funniest line today

Not really! It is the poor losers' camp that wants to desperately hold on the the status quo that has served their minority so well for a quarter of a century. Unless to you "moving forward" means defending a privileged elite at all costs and to hell with the rest. It is the PiS government that advocates true economic progress across the board.

PiS government

Good-change government to help Polish business expand internationally

The good changes never end. In place of the existing lacklustre Polish Information and Foreign Investment Agency (PAIiIZ) the pro-Polish government are setting up a Trade and Investment Agency which will have a much bigger budget and broader powers. It will include a Capital Expansion Fund to help Polish businesses expand internationally, development minister and deputy PM Mateusz Morawiecki revealed at the Krynica Economic Forum. It will be financed by the state budget, EU funds and other sources. This bloke is really on the ball and appears serious about building up Polish industry and quality Polish brands. His predecessors weree mainyl about feathering their own nest!
mafketis 23 | 8,445
7 Sep 2016 #23
Good-change government to help Polish business expand internationally

Like Pride of Poland?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
7 Sep 2016 #24
Pride of Poland

You and your hairless mate must be consummate pessimists, focusing exclusivley on negative things and failures. I suppose you believe Tusk and his stooges could do no wrong. Of course, they never wronged the overprivileged post-RT clique -- they were one of its main driving forces.
Swiss Guard
7 Sep 2016 #25
Oops!

I thought this thread was about all of the Brits in exile in Poland teaching English.
mafketis 23 | 8,445
7 Sep 2016 #26
You and your hairless mate

If you're referring to harry, we are far from mates and I've often disagreed with him pretty strongly (and probably also do about some of the specifics now).

focusing exclusivley on negative things and failures

As if you've never done that.

Pride of Poland was a failure because PiS cared more about finding jobs for cronies than about competence.

They removed removed worldwide renowned experts who've built networks over the years creating a small, but prestigious worldclass Polish brand. And they wrecked it because..... no good reason.

I see no reason to expect any different in any other of their endeavors since party loyalty and znaojomości count more than ability and character.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
7 Sep 2016 #27
As if you've never done that

One can be negative only about things that are negative such as PO cronyism, elitism, scams, scandals, irrregularities or Amber Gold. When good changes are taking place all about, only a mean-spirited or vindictive fool would fail to see them or try to deride or misrepresent them.
mafketis 23 | 8,445
7 Sep 2016 #28
When good changes are taking place all about, only a mean-spirited or vindictive fool would fail to see them

So Pride of Poland was a "good change"? Creating a massive hole in the budget with unfundable giveaways is a "good change"?

Not seeing it. Sorry.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
7 Sep 2016 #29
"good change"

Good change for the neglected and hitherto effectviely disenfrachised majority, not for the robber baron clique that has lived in the lap of liuxury by milking the country dry. Now the tables sre turning and guess who I'm rooting for. Not for the greedy, hard-nosed capitalists. I'm for spreading the capital about and that is precisely what Morawiecki wants to do. Spread the fruits of transformation around a bit. Why should the evil schemers believe it is their exclusive property?
Harry
7 Sep 2016 #30
He might try to talk some financial sense into the economic illiterates running the party he's attached himself to.

He could try, but PIS recently 're-elected' with Kim Il Jong-like levels of support a man who is so far out touch with the economic reality of Poles that he has never had any form of bank loan, has never had a credit card or taken any credit at all and thinks that Poles do all of their shopping at the local corner shop because only "the poorest Poles" shop at Biedronka. Such is the life of those born in comfortable apartments to former AK member parents who acquired suburban villas now worth millions and placed their sons in the finest educational establishments.

If you're referring to harry,

If he were to be referring to me, he'd be looking at a ban for personal abuse.

the lap of liuxury by milking the country dry.

You mean a villa worth millions and private helicopter flights around the country whenever he desires? Yes, terrible what that back-bench MP has been doing, isn't it.


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